Bernkastel
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Is the "Tsushima gameplay is copied from Ubisoft" your final cope?
The Outer Worlds 2 hits 18,251 all-time CCU peak on Steam
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Mortisfacio
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There's no cope. I didn't enjoy the game and view both series as slop, but despite my personal reservations on those two series, they both sell well. That's it. You're the one offended by that. lol
Astray
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I have to be honest here, I see a lot of people talking about wokeness and bad designs in this game, and so far I genuinely don't see it? Like most of the designs are of some sci-fi style or another.
Avowed I personally didn't like, but the photos on here kinda make me want to boot up that Copy of OW1 I got on Epic to see if I like this world or not..
Avowed I personally didn't like, but the photos on here kinda make me want to boot up that Copy of OW1 I got on Epic to see if I like this world or not..
Mortisfacio
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I'm only in the first biome, but I'm keeping my eyes peeled due to the allegations. Short haired women and a 1-2 minute reel of a short haired strong woman "taking down capitalism" with her weak male sidekick. That's really about all I've seen so far that I feel could be interpreted as such.
Astray
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The entire game is a pitched as a heavy-handed capitalism and consumerism pastiche so that comes with the territory I guess.
Short haired women are also not something that specifically signifies woke either.
Mortisfacio
Member
I don't agree that short haired women is woke either, but I've seen the claim enough online with other "Woke" things so just counting that as I'm sure it checks the box for more than 1 person.
DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
I mean, just having a few short haired women does not make something woke. But when your female cast looks like this, it's pretty obvious you're deliberately trying to avoid anything remotely appealing to the "male gaze".
Kacho
Gold Member
Simple pattern recognition with this stuff
I mean, just having a few short haired women does not make something woke. But when your female cast looks like this, it's pretty obvious you're deliberately trying to avoid anything remotely appealing to the "male gaze".
Bernkastel
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demigod
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delirium trigger
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I mean, just having a few short haired women does not make something woke. But when your female cast looks like this, it's pretty obvious you're deliberately trying to avoid anything remotely appealing to the "male gaze".
Sinead O'Connor in space.
calico
Member
You are both right. AC strongly influenced Tsushima, Tsushima influenced Shadows. They're all influenced by Tenchu.
What matters is TOW2 is even lower now than this time yesterday.
DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
It's on track to do worse than Avowed,
I'd hardly call that "alright". I think that's a pretty big bomba honestly.
Mortisfacio
Member
I mean, just having a few short haired women does not make something woke. But when your female cast looks like this, it's pretty obvious you're deliberately trying to avoid anything remotely appealing to the "male gaze".
Obsidian has always had ugly characters. Both male and female.
This Orc is from New Vegas. I don't think Obsidian making ugly characters is a new or woke thing.
havoc00
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What went wrong?
MidGenRefresh
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This is me earlier this month replying to someone who said "Microsoft really butchered this studio.":
And now that I've played the game, I love it.
Yeah cuz low sales is always synonym of bad quality . Eg: Prey, Guardians of the galaxy, Tyranny and so on. Meanwhille COD and Madden are peak quality bc they sell!
A lot of the devs responsible for this game(in top responsability positions) worked on: Fallout 1 and 2, Pillars of eternity, Fallout NV, Neverwinter Nights, Alpha Protocol....
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MidGenRefresh
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Prey is one of the greatest games ever. It's so misunderstood and underappreciated.
No it's bad bc it didn't sell
DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
I think all their trailers were fucking awful and gave a poor impression of the game. Also didn't do them any favors announcing it as an $80 game and lowering it to $70 after all the backlash.
semiconscious
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gotta admit, woke or not, it's noticeably odd how so many of these women look like 'boys'. it's just odd...
I mean, just having a few short haired women does not make something woke. But when your female cast looks like this, it's pretty obvious you're deliberately trying to avoid anything remotely appealing to the "male gaze".
Gameplay Gods Bless
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I don't think it's a bad game btw I've been enjoying my time with it. That said what people mean by wokeness is *modern* American progressive politics i.e (in the American left right wing spectrum) left of liberal but right of communist. I'll give you one example: liberals believe companies should be regulated more than conservatives do but also believe in having a relatively free market. Progressives don't think liberals go far enough, they believe regulations should be ramped up significantly beyond liberals sweet spot, taxes should be raised drastically and a wealth of social services like nationalized healthcare should come from it.In general progressives believe Liberalism has been insufficient and incapable of solving the world's problems. But liberals and progressives tend to ally and congregate when it's suitable because they have more in common with libs than conservatives or centrists.
Now back to TOW2, which political direction do the games creators push TOW2? Ask yourself this, does TOW2 look like a game that was developed by rural conservatives in Louisiana? Does it lean towards American conservative values? The answer is absolutely not, from the artistic design of the characters to the dialogue the game feels very progressive/heavily liberal. Does it push American centrist or independent values? Think of it this way American centrists and independents voted Trump by a huge margin in 2024, Trump also won the most votes period (popular vote). Do you think the devs of TOW2 or the content in said game comes from people who voted Trump? Can you find a majority of themes in TOW2 that are pro Trump or conservative or even American centrist (right of liberal)?
Finally it's ok for creators to have their own biases but it's also ok for fans to notice and provide commentary on said biases. Obsidian is located in Irvine, Los Angeles California. In the United States Los Angeles is in the top 0.1% of most left wing cities, California itself is by far the most left wing state in the US. Trump won the majority of the US including every single battleground state yet lost Los Angeles dramatically. In other words Obsidian is a product of its components. It's American left wing creatives, that went to left wing colleges that then moved to one of the most left wing cities in America, that just so happen to make games with a left wing bias. It's ok and that's fine but it's also true and something we cant pretend isn't real. You can't blame devout Catholics for making a game about Jesus being amazing, in the same way you can't blame big city Californians for making woke games.
Gameplay Gods Bless
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It's mediocre compared to Deus Ex.
Gameplay Gods Bless
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It's ranked from highest revenue to lowest. It's the revenue the steam version makes. Guaranteed when GTA6 launches on steam it'll be top 5 if not top 1 the day or launches.
Idleyes
Gold Member
Look, the studio ain't thinking that deep, man. These devs love giving lip service, selling a cock suck so players bust a nut and think it's some deep relationship. Truth is, they're just chasing the bag. No disrespect to real sex workers, they're more honest than Obsidian. but Obsidian needs to stop preaching about the AAA scene and stay in their mutha fuckin AA lane.
Bernkastel
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Like I said, it also has to be developed by competent devs. Outer Worlds is nowhere near close to Prey.
Fake
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I mean, just having a few short haired women does not make something woke. But when your female cast looks like this, it's pretty obvious you're deliberately trying to avoid anything remotely appealing to the "male gaze".
So depressing people dennying this stuff in bad faith.
Buggy Loop
Gold Member
Ugh, that slop again
No RPG really compare to Bethesda's creation engine, its pretty unique and comes with its particularities. A ton of games don't have the physic/simulation of bethesda RPGs and nobody gave a fuck. Mass Effect, Witcher, KCD, Dragon Dogma 2, etc. Nobody really has to store 20,000 cheeses or 20,000 potatoes in a ship. It certainly didn't save starfield. You could make a video shitting on all those RPGs compared to creation engine ones. You would slurp that slop I bet.
Insanemaelstrom
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Personally I think the game not selling well has nothing to do with TOW2 or how good it is sadly. I think the low sales are because:
1. TOW1 had a very bad word of mouth after the first year or release. It became synonyms with mix and boring. Not to mention that people were hyping it up as a competitor to Bethesda and fallout. It didn't live up to its hype. A lot of people who bought TOW1 simply have no interest in TOW2( same thing that has happened with Death Strading 2).
2. The trailers and marketing just weren't good. They screamed mediocrity and wokeness. For whatever reason, big companies are struggling to make good trailers. GoY had the same issue. The game turned out to be far better than what the trailers indicated.
3. There was pushback against the 80$ price tags which lowered hype even further.
Considering how good the word of mouth is currently, it should do better in the long run, imo.
1. TOW1 had a very bad word of mouth after the first year or release. It became synonyms with mix and boring. Not to mention that people were hyping it up as a competitor to Bethesda and fallout. It didn't live up to its hype. A lot of people who bought TOW1 simply have no interest in TOW2( same thing that has happened with Death Strading 2).
2. The trailers and marketing just weren't good. They screamed mediocrity and wokeness. For whatever reason, big companies are struggling to make good trailers. GoY had the same issue. The game turned out to be far better than what the trailers indicated.
3. There was pushback against the 80$ price tags which lowered hype even further.
Considering how good the word of mouth is currently, it should do better in the long run, imo.
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Laptop1991
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Once they announced the price and only walked it back for 10 quid, this was always going to happen and its no surprise really.
EdKeen
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I'm sure this game has a few positive things going for it, but after playing the first one when it first came out, I just can't get interested enough unless it a big discount came along. OW1 was, to me, bland and boring after about two hours. Combat felt generic, art direction a mess. The Parvati asexual thing was also ridiculous, and prevented me from taking the game seriously on any level. Just the niche-iest of niche identity politics. Felt like it was trying to chase the Fallout experience without any of the magic.
The other annoying thing isn't so much wokeness (which I agree is an overused word nowadays), but rather an oversaturation of its political viewpoint. "Capitalism bad" has been done to death in nearly every medium for the past fifty years. We get it, Obsidian, you guys hate capitalism. To say that sort of "satire" is stretched thin is an understatement--not because capitalism is perfect (it's not), but because the devs most likely subscribe to some sort of ultra-left, communist claptrap, and I'm sorry, but...if you want to skewer soul-sucking labor, massive bureacratic corruption, and brutal human rights issues, why not take a look at the countless communist regimes that litter the dustbin of history?
The other annoying thing isn't so much wokeness (which I agree is an overused word nowadays), but rather an oversaturation of its political viewpoint. "Capitalism bad" has been done to death in nearly every medium for the past fifty years. We get it, Obsidian, you guys hate capitalism. To say that sort of "satire" is stretched thin is an understatement--not because capitalism is perfect (it's not), but because the devs most likely subscribe to some sort of ultra-left, communist claptrap, and I'm sorry, but...if you want to skewer soul-sucking labor, massive bureacratic corruption, and brutal human rights issues, why not take a look at the countless communist regimes that litter the dustbin of history?
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Bernkastel
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None of the games you mentioned were pitched as their own take on Skyrim.
Avowed was originally pitched as Obsidian's take on Skyrim
When Avowed was announced three years ago, the comparisons to The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim were everywhere and inevitabl…
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diffusionx
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It shouldn't be too long until obsidian is shut down
DenchDeckard
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The guy is just another grifter reviewer. Everyone in the industry talks about how he suddenly rose to popularity because his set up is decent. It makes him look pro. He is well known for following the masses of what they want to hear.
He is another who is known to farm impressions. Basically, do not trust any of these youtubers etc for honest feedback, they arent doing that. They are strategically planning content with a team and what the content should cover, mainly negative in this gentleman's case.
Because views pay bills and he is farming views. I am actually shocked how many of us enthusiasts fall for this.
You only have to do a few meetings with these kinds of people to see what the deal is.
DenchDeckard
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This is how bad this woke shit is. Im literally multiple hours into this game and I dont really see much of anything you dont see in ANY other media.
People were offended that some were trying to label Yotei as woke, then some come into anything discussing this game and do the same.
Its a more interesting game to me than Yotei but that is because I have always preferred games like Oblivion and Fallout over that style of ubisoft open world
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His target audience are low IQ individuals.
Insanemaelstrom
Member
Anti-wokes are as annoying as the people they complain about. Honestly just let people enjoy their games.
Questions should be about how good a game is rather than how woke/anti-woke they are, imo
PeteBull
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I think in retrospect they were on the money(;p) wanting 80$ for it at first, ppl who bought it for 70$(or even 100$ for early access version) would buy it anyways, the rest of us wouldnt or only would at massive discount so at least they could get 10$ more from those 1-2m sold copies each, thats additional 10-20m bucks which could cover few years of salary of some of their own "professors "
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calico
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The 'pay a premium to artificially delay the game for everyone else' model might be the grossest in gaming. I wonder if they may be underestimating how much this turning people into second class customers turns people off, especially when the limitation is artificially created (as opposed to deriving from a real limit on a resource).
PeteBull
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Their greed has no limits, i wouldnt be surprised when sometime nextgen we gonna get super expensive ultra premium version with 2weeks early access, normal but still pretty expensive premium version with 1week early access, and plebeyan version that by then will likely cost not even 80$ but 99$ aka standard AAA price =D
DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
Even better when there are some major game breaking bugs at release. There was one bug that prevents you from being able to recruit a companion that just got patched yesterday.
Advanced access means you're paying the highest price to play the worst version of the game.
Darkness_Arises
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Seems quite abysmal even in comparison to Obsidian's usual game pass slop. It might still crack 20k this weekend, people were busy trick or treating yesterday.
Lock in.
TOW2 is a game made by guys like Brandon Adler, Matthew Singh, Leonard Boyarsky and even Tim Cain.
And the narrative director from New Vegas (who is responsible for Horizon Forbidden West) is back at Obsidian as well.
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DarkStream
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This games is dope.
I'm constantly suprised how many ways there are to get into locations or the ways to solve quests. You often can play both sides, and never really align with anyone. Fantastic stuff.
People calling this woke are way off.
For example: i stumbled upon an audio log which hinted at marriage between two women. So what? They are not pushing the idea of being gay as superior or the need for more attention to the sexual identity cause. It's just a fact which is grounded in reality without a moral superiority complex.
I'm often annoyed by wokeness as well, but some anti-woke warriors really have as much brain rot as those pushing the agenda.
This game is great and it's truly sad that this is most likely the end for Obsidian. Yeah, they released it at a bad time but the endless circle jerk of talking about wokeness etc. does the game no favours. This is a case where quality does NOT move copies.
I'm constantly suprised how many ways there are to get into locations or the ways to solve quests. You often can play both sides, and never really align with anyone. Fantastic stuff.
People calling this woke are way off.
For example: i stumbled upon an audio log which hinted at marriage between two women. So what? They are not pushing the idea of being gay as superior or the need for more attention to the sexual identity cause. It's just a fact which is grounded in reality without a moral superiority complex.
I'm often annoyed by wokeness as well, but some anti-woke warriors really have as much brain rot as those pushing the agenda.
This game is great and it's truly sad that this is most likely the end for Obsidian. Yeah, they released it at a bad time but the endless circle jerk of talking about wokeness etc. does the game no favours. This is a case where quality does NOT move copies.
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