Just my 2 cents its very possible even $1300 won't buy the Xbox first party devicewith how TSMC keeps increasing prices, topic should be edited ps6-700 and xbox-1300
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ALOT of casual gamers play mobile now, some have dirt cheap PC's just as Fortnite machines or are happy on older hardware.
The casual market have already spoken, things HAVE changed though many here wouldn't want to admit it
In what bizzaro xbox fanboy world does the cancelled Xbox handheld have more games than the upcoming Playstation handheld?
I mentioned this on the previous thread but character models peaked last gen and honestly it's not a bad thing as PS4 is CGI like already in terms of characters. They do need to add detailed environments on open world like Crysis and physics
The S2 will be $400 by time 2027 comes around. So $450 is a competitive price. Maybe it'll be $450 for the smaller 512 GB storage option. And $600 for a 2 TB option.
I think 2026 Switch 2 gets a price increase.
That would be madly insane and scary. But to what price in your opinion?
An Xbox that is not BC with Xbox. Steam Deck is more appropriate for Steam. The Playstation handheld on the other hand can play all PS4 and many PS5 games. They are supposedly even working on PS3 BC. Theres no way a Xbox has more games.
Nintendo's wording leads me to believe this.
What wording?
It could very well fall on the 3rd party devices to come in as the cheaper options as crazy as that sounds
According to
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the OEMs are going to be doing stuff with more Ram, more storage, higher clocks, better cooling. So those won't be cheaper than the first party consoles.
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The real question is, how many optimization targets/profiles are MS going to mandate for the developers in order for a game to be Xbox certified.
Theoretically, if they don't mandate optimization for a specific SKU, then the OEMs could do 20-24 CU AT4 console for $399, 40-48 CU AT3 console for $799, 68 CU AT2 console for $1199
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Btw, MS, AMD, OEMs are doing BOTH Xbox PC and Xbox Console form factors. I think any device branded Xbox and running Magnus will have BC and FC.
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According to Lisa Su's words, the entirety of AMD chip lineup is meant to have Xbox Console library BC, and implying FC obviously. Kepler said they the have added the BC stuff within RDNA5 itself, so all AMD GPUs going forward will have BC when paired up with Magnus or its successor.
That is the key point, it has to be Ryzen and Radeon, more specifically Magnus that will activate BC that remains dormant otherwise.
Keep in mind also that Series S and X have exact same CPU at very similar clocks, 3.5 ghz vs 3.6 ghz.
So they could just use Magnus CPU SOC for 20 CU, 40 CU, 60 CU variants.
I personally think they will at the very minimum, do a $599 40 CU S tier console IF they mandate developer optimization. If it's just games meant to scale across hardware, then they can cover the whole gamut.
Not necessarily. Sony could remove the XBox BC hardware on PS6 to save a bit of die space as their chip is fully custom.
Cyberpunk still came out a whole month after the PS5 launched and was successful from the get-go. I don't think it was a big factor there.
They will make it up with all of their exclusive games.
Magnus AT2 Xbox Console will still have GDKX optimized Console SKUs. It would be dumb to get rid of mandatory optimization without full mandatory unification of ecosystem.
You think it'll be even more than $1200?!?
You know damn well that people still play consoles. I don't get why people post "questions" like this.
Why would that be crazy? Just look at where Surface sits in the market.
You think or you know? Because that is a definitive statement you are making. To the best of my knowledge we don't 'know' anything about this aspect unless I've missed something.
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HeisenbergFX4
believe the same. Magnus is dual purpose and will be used in both PCs and Consoles.
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and the January 2024 Discord Leak also mentioned third party consoles. The higher specs would be using same Magnus AT2 but higher storage, ram, Clocks, and better cooling options. And better screens for handhelds etc. 
Doubtful, it's using very old tech. There may be a new model on a newer process at a higher price point though.
Evidently we don't know about current ones either because they're gpu limited on consoles(and I'm not taking about pixel painting being gpu limited, but the stuff ppl keep insisting must be cpu).
That's true. I remember when DF tested Insomniac Spider-man bug that allowed to show CPU utilizations. It showed that even in the worst case (uncapped fast travelling RT performance mode), they weren't really CPU bound on PS5 and the CPU had almost always a bit of headroom to spare. Which surprised me (but no DF as they completely ignored it).
Well, MS will increase its prices way more than PS6 once again as Sony will bet again on a smaller APU (400mm² vs 280mm²) and it will have a bit less ram.with how TSMC keeps increasing prices, topic should be edited ps6-700 and xbox-1300
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What?
The keyword there is 'believe'. You make these statements like they are fact. We don't actually know what the product split will look like. PC form factor vs console form factor vs OEM vs MS vs specs. The matrix isn't guaranteed to be filled by all parties.K KeplerL2 and
Remedy also did an extensive deep dive into their ps5pro work and just how gpu heavy all the 'cpu' tasks were(draw calls, bvh updates and construction etc).
Even PS5 chip is dual purpose. And Magnus expected to be a little bit more PC friendly than that.K KeplerL2 and
But the same thing goes for steam deck isn't really steam since it doesn't play all steam games. The same goes for the new Xbox not playing old Xbox games .
