Arc Raiders Use Of Generative AI - Moral Issue For You? Not Me.

Is Arc Raiders Use Of Generative AI Ok For You Morally?

  • Yes, It's Only For Voice Changing And Pinging Items/Locations Here

  • No, Generative AI Is Unacceptable In Any Game For Any Reason

  • It's Acceptable For Me Always

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ShadowkillXNA

ShadowkillXNA

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The generative ai for voices for pings and voice changing is bringing the studio Embark under fire at the purple hair forum.
A bunch of posters there are loudly proclaiming the studio evil because they are using gen ai for the ping system voices and for the ai voice changer.
The actors were contracted, with the knowledge that their voices would be recreated with gen ai for new items and such in game.
The game has been proclaimied "ai slop" despite embark having a couple hundred actual humans working there and despite the game being ready to ship a few years ago and embark deciding it wasnt good enough and rebuilding it.
A decision made by humans.
The game is selling it's ass off and is extremely well recieved by critics.
But to these insane fanatics it and the studio are worthless peddlers of ai slop.
Btw no npcs are using gen ai but even if they were If it was done well I really wouldnt care.
 
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None of it matters if the game is fun to play, only the activist-minded and voice actors care.

I wish the last Pokemon game used AI for its writing, because the humans sucked at it.
 
I feel bad for the artists out there, sure, but AI is here, and it's only going to be used more and more. Even if the vocal minority boycotts things, it's not going to make a dent.

It's gonna be a tough next decade. Eventually companies are going to need to figure out that people who don't have jobs because they were displaced by AI can't buy their product, and something's going to have to give.
 
ShadowkillXNA said:
The actors were contracted, with the knowledge that their voices would be recreated with gen ai for new items and such in game.
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So what are people even mad about? Just using AI at all?

Sounds like it was implemented and handled exactly as it should in this case. As long as all parties are aware and in agreement I don't see the issue. Especially not when the game turns out great.
 
Robb said:
So what are people even mad about? Just using AI at all?

Sounds like it was implemented and handled exactly as it should in this case. As long as all parties are aware and in agreement I don't see the issue. Especially not when the game turns out great.
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Their argument is "all gen ai is evil because they and other studios will keep using it".

Me: Good.
 
AI voices can enable some nice reactivity and interactivity that wasn't really possible with canned lines. That said, it's still far from giving convincing emotive dialogue beyond short barks. If you can have human voice actors, it'll be far better quality, unless it's like that Ada VA in RE4R. In one guy indie games, or mods for games with no other VO I'd probably use it over nothing even for main voice lines. Ultimately it's quality of the output that matters, be it bot or human.
 
the sooner people realise this stuff is never ever going back into the bottle the better

The genie is out and it will be a part of every single thing in your daily life in some way
 
Game is good an reviews good so Ai doesnt hurt it :) so who cares?
just wait until your job is taken over by Ai.... no one will care then too
 
It's not a good trend for the voice actors to be paid only for 'base content' and the AI doing their voices for all future stuff. On the other hand it's still better than being out of a job.

I still think people from this line of work should be looking at finding new ways to make a living, because only the biggest voice actors will surive as celebrities working on high-profile games.
 
The actor's were paid and contracted with this knowledge, and the voice work is simple enough, so I don't see an issue here. However, the nature of that contract isn't expressly clear - are they paid a royalty whenever their voice is used to create new content beyond the base game? If not, then they've done themselves out of a job - and that could be a worrying trend.
 
I'm usually pro-VO, but even I don't see a point of anchoring a live-service FPS to human voice actors. Even aside the fact that it creates a lot of scheduling challenges for meager amount of voiced lines, due to the nature of the model it's just easier, cheaper and faster to voice new lines for future updates. Especially since AI VO got really good recently.

I still remember Destiny 1 scheduling fiascos with original voice actors and I fully understand where Embark is coming from.
 
rkofan87 said:
I don't get it why is this not a problem but AI art is to gaff
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Because the actors agreed to it and where paid accordingly. Why would that be an issue?

AI art is pulled from various sources and mashed together, at least thats my understanding of it.
 
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ShadowkillXNA said:
The actors were contracted, with the knowledge that their voices would be recreated with gen ai for new items and such in game.
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Kinda hard to say "and that's fair enough" if they don't feel they have a choice. Not everyone has the luxury of turning work down.

Durin said:
None of it matters if the game is fun to play, only the activist-minded and voice actors care.
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Eh, I think it kinda does matter.

It's one of those "first they came for [type of people] and I didn't care because I'm not [type of people]. Then they came for..."

I think your take on it is what a lot of people will think. I also think a lot of people who don't have much foresight will say things like "I'll be alright, AI can't do my job, I'm a plumber 😂" but I suspect that those voice artists, actors, graphic designers, composers and latterly accountants, customer service agents, etc. Etc. will have to do something to earn money.

As to whether they'll all retrain to be plumbers is unlikely, but as more and more industries employ fewer and fewer people thanks to AI, I wonder if competition for plumbing jobs will lead to falling rates. Almost certainly, I'd say.

So, I think it's more of a big picture discussion rather than "is the game fun, do you care if AI generates the voices?"
 
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Mr Reasonable said:
Kinda hard to say "and that's fair enough" if they don't feel they have a choice. Not everyone has the luxury of turning work down.
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Think thats upto each individual. Everyone has the ability to turn work down if they find it morally wrong.
Mr Reasonable said:
Eh, I think it kinda does matter.

It's one of those "first they came for [type of people] and I didn't care because I'm not [type of people]. Then they came for..."

I think your take on it is what a lot of people will think. I also think a lot of people who don't have much foresight will say things like "I'll be alright, AI can't do my job, I'm a plumber 😂" but I suspect that those voice artists, actors, graphic designers, composers and latterly accountants, customer service agents, etc. Etc. will have to do something to earn money.

As to whether they'll all retrain to be plumbers is unlikely, but as more and more industries employ fewer and fewer people thanks to AI, I wonder if competition for plumbing jobs will lead to falling rates. Almost certainly, I'd say.

So, I think it's more of a big picture discussion rather than "is the game fun, do you care if AI generates the voices?"
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It not practical in this instance to pull the same voice actors in every few months to record new lines in an every changing story. Im guessing the stuff that comes out for this game in 3-6 months hasn't been written yet. What happens if the leads are busy on other projects? What happened in Destiny 1 is a good example.

Think this is a decent use of the tech. Actors record whatever they are given and also compensated for future use of the sound if their voice. I don't see the issue. And to the point that maybe they can't afford to turn the work down thats a big assumption and I'd suggest if that was actually the case then they are in the wrong line of work.
 
clarky said:
And to the point that maybe they can't afford to turn the work down thats a big assumption and I'd suggest if that was actually the case then they are in the wrong line of work.
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Well it's a big assumption that that they can afford to turn down the work and that even established voice actors aren't worried about the future.

IF you were worried about your future earnings, plenty of people would take work they didn't agree with just to provide a bit of a cushion for future hard times.
 
Mr Reasonable said:
Well it's a big assumption that that they can afford to turn down the work and that even established voice actors aren't worried about the future.

IF you were worried about your future earnings, plenty of people would take work they didn't agree with just to provide a bit of a cushion for future hard times.
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If you are worried about future earnings then it would be foolish to sell any rights to future work.

Im just going off the information provided, the actors agreed to it and were compensated, they obviously felt it was fair or they wouldn't agree to it.

If they didn't think it was fair but signed anyway then thats on them.

The only people complaining about this are some purple haired keyboard warriors. Be nice to get the actual actors take. What if they are paid in full for every AI line generated with out having to get out of bed?
 
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Seems to be a very minor use of AI and not much of a reason for getting your pants on a twister.
Is Reeee boycotting Microsoft, IBM, Nvidia, OpenAI, Intel, AMD, Anthropic, and all the other companies that are working on putting AI on everything we do.
 
clarky said:
If you are worried about future earnings then it would be foolish to sell any rights to future work.

Im just going off the information provided, the actors agreed to it and were compensated, they obviously felt it was fair or they wouldn't agree to it.

If they didn't think it was fair but signed anyway then thats on them.
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Like I said initially, if you don't feel like you have a choice that makes a big difference.

If you need to make money and you feel that the choice is make a little bit of money on terms that you don't like, or make no money at all and know that someone else will do the job then what's the best outcome?

It'd be completely trivial for the voice artists to submit new recordings for locations or storylines, loads of them have home studio setups and will be able to record remotely at very short notice.

For the studio and publisher behind this massively successful, multi million selling title, it's unlikely to be a necessity that they cut these relatively small costs. This isn't AI making the impossible possible, this is AI cutting people out of the equation. Partially at first, but later fully, no doubt.
 
Mr Reasonable said:
Like I said initially, if you don't feel like you have a choice that makes a big difference.

If you need to make money and you feel that the choice is make a little bit of money on terms that you don't like, or make no money at all and know that someone else will do the job then what's the best outcome?

It'd be completely trivial for the voice artists to submit new recordings for locations or storylines, loads of them have home studio setups and will be able to record remotely at very short notice.

For the studio and publisher behind this massively successful, multi million selling title, it's unlikely to be a necessity that they cut these relatively small costs. This isn't AI making the impossible possible, this is AI cutting people out of the equation. Partially at first, but later fully, no doubt.
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Again you assuming they didn't have a choice. I'm assuming they did, which is the more logical choice.
 
I am of two minds. I absolutely believe in AI and like it, but I definitely worry about where this will leave us in the future. I also think robotics will take additional steps and will eventually remove even more jobs than it already has. Which leaves me wondering about what all the people who no longer have jobs will do. I just can't see the creation of new jobs exceeding the loss of jobs via AI and robotics. People without jobs are not going to be buying anything.

I also don't believe in moderation. Things like this are always all or nothing, on top of being zero sum in the end (for most, not all). I also don't think there is anything we can do about it, so I wont try any pointless boycotts and just enjoy things 'til I can't. I used to try a fair amount on doing my part for Climate Change, but that was pointless as well... /shrug.

TLDR : I have little faith in people.
 
For things here and there to easy the development per se, not to overwrite or be primordial - like fix a code
 
I think they used it to calculate the brilliantly convincing physics of the drones reacting to our gunfire impacts, in which case I think AI adds some very cool and welcome value to the experience. But I don't want anyone to be laid off over it.

So as usual, none of the poll choices were adequate for how I think about it.
 
Bro their voice changer is the best thing to ever happen to this game, it makes you actually sound cool like the early The Division fake gameplay videos
 
TVexperto said:
Bro their voice changer is the best thing to ever happen to this game, it makes you actually sound cool like the early The Division fake gameplay videos
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We had to turn it off because it was too hard to concentrate on the game when my mates sounded like teenage girls with Northern England regional accents, we were in fucking tears laughing while we were trying to play.
 
Mr Reasonable said:
I've repeatedly laid out why they would feel they don't have a choice.
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What did these guys take home last year?

You have no idea, so you can't assume they were somehow forced into signing a shitty contract. Not saying they didn't but we have zero evidence to suggest that.
 
Generative AI is the future. Within 5-7 years, its going to be perfectly normal for it to be used extensively in game development and every other entertainment medium.
 
AI is OK. ZBrush is where I draw the line. If you guys know of any game using it that I don't know about, tell me so I can have it permanently removed from my Steam account.
 
Ive heard the game is very, very good. So much I have just purchased. Even after I saw this thread.

If AI is used to make games better, I have no problem with it. I genuinely want human direction and choices for games but if AI can be used with actors that agree their voice be used for that project and terms are discussed and agreed from both parties then fucking go for it.
 
ShadowkillXNA said:
The generative ai for voices for pings and voice changing is bringing the studio Embark under fire at the purple hair forum.
A bunch of posters there are loudly proclaiming the studio evil because they are using gen ai for the ping system voices and for the ai voice changer.
The actors were contracted, with the knowledge that their voices would be recreated with gen ai for new items and such in game.
The game has been proclaimied "ai slop" despite embark having a couple hundred actual humans working there and despite the game being ready to ship a few years ago and embark deciding it wasnt good enough and rebuilding it.
A decision made by humans.
The game is selling it's ass off and is extremely well recieved by critics.
But to these insane fanatics it and the studio are worthless peddlers of ai slop.
Btw no npcs are using gen ai but even if they were If it was done well I really wouldnt care.
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Where is that Boycott MW2 Steam group when you need it?
 
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