SolidQ
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Introducing AMD GI-1.2 with multibounce indirect real-time rendering - AMD GPUOpen
AMD GI-1.2, our real-time Global Illumination solution, is available now as part of the AMD Capsaicin Framework v1.3.
ValiantInstance
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Latest driver update finally fixed my Windows video playback crashing issue. About damn time.
Gp1
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Crayon
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Haha so I got mine early in the year and have hardly played anything on it. Indiana Jones was my demo-purchase. So now I started space marine 2, known to be a bit heavy. I saw that on PS5 it could get a little rough. Well this card is sleepwalking through it.
If I adjust settings to what I can actually see from 7 feet away, that puts this game at a 4k upscale with the TAA set to quality. 60fps. I occasionally will catch some small element on screen with artifacts, but it's fleeting. I basically can't see it. So now the card runs about 75% and 150w playing the game. And that was without an undervolt. (forgot to turn it on).
Too bad no fsr4. I bet using the same methodology, I could play on performance mode. I'd basically have a ps6 lol. I could use optiscaler, but there's no point going through the trouble because the card is crushing the game as it is.
CachyOS install is still treating me right. Haven't had to put in much effort. Works great with the card and it's nice knowing I have the newest updates for it.
If I adjust settings to what I can actually see from 7 feet away, that puts this game at a 4k upscale with the TAA set to quality. 60fps. I occasionally will catch some small element on screen with artifacts, but it's fleeting. I basically can't see it. So now the card runs about 75% and 150w playing the game. And that was without an undervolt. (forgot to turn it on).
Too bad no fsr4. I bet using the same methodology, I could play on performance mode. I'd basically have a ps6 lol. I could use optiscaler, but there's no point going through the trouble because the card is crushing the game as it is.
CachyOS install is still treating me right. Haven't had to put in much effort. Works great with the card and it's nice knowing I have the newest updates for it.
Zathalus
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Both are really good.
Look at the comparison here. But the cards are very, very similar.
Gp1
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It looks like the XFX has only one HDMI port (i really would like 2), but the Sapphire isn't available anymore at my retailer.
I'll wait until tomorrow to decide but thanks anyway.
Shockwave_Fox
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BeardSpike
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Crayon
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So I remembered to start corectrl finally. With 200mzh undercolck and -120 undervolt, I'm playing the game at like 115-120w average. Lol. Right now im afk looking at a big rocky area with no enemies and its hanging at 95w.
edit: oh, crash. lol. Backing it off to -100.
edit: oh, crash. lol. Backing it off to -100.
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BeardSpike
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I'm using LACT though on Linux side, tried CoreCtrl but it can't find any sensors other than GPU so I can't fully utilise it, and LACT is more intuitive for me anyways.
It would be awesome if CoreCtrl used something like PawnIO drivers on Linux side since FanControl + PawnIO on Windows can sense all of my fans, CPU, PWM Hub, GPU.
What specific model of 9070XT do you have? I can't go lower than -50 on my Gigabyte Gaming OC.
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Crayon
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It's an asrock steel legend. When I reloaded the scene with the crash, I realized there is some particle effect being used in the cutscene that is causing the power usage to go nuts. 300w+. This card is overkill so I'm power-saving for now. I had that power limited before but seems I forgot to bring it down when I fiddled the setting last. I'll get big undervolts with the clocks and power trimmed down.
BeardSpike
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I just started experimenting with power limit on Linux.
Instead of capping FPS to lower TDP, I'm running it uncapped, but undervolting the card and power limiting it to ~250W, this way I can spin fans at reasonable DB and cool it, and I'm hitting 100-120 fps in most games like I want to. And if I want more juice I can always unlimit stuff.
My card can sometimes hit 370W without power limit.
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BeardSpike
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Crayon
TimeSplitters Rewind
A greatest hits collection developed by the community for the classic TimeSplitters trilogy
My power limit experimenting started with this, it doesn't play nice with FPS cap on Linux at all, stutters like crazy, uncapped runs smooth but my TDP went up like crazy so I thought what if I power limit it and leave FPS uncapped and it worked, lmao.
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Crayon
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TimeSplitters Rewind
A greatest hits collection developed by the community for the classic TimeSplitters trilogywww.timesplittersrewind.com
My power limit experimenting started with this, it doesn't play nice with FPS cap on Linux at all, stutters like crazy, uncapped runs smooth but my TDP went up like crazy so I thought what if I power limit it and leave FPS uncapped and it worked, lmao.
How do you cap your frames? I do it through goverlay, but I'm not sure what method that is actually invoking, these days.
BeardSpike
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Mangohud/ Goverlay too.
But I've seen people using Gamescope with -r flag too, never tried it tbh.
Boo Who?
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Space Marine 2 should have FSR4. I remember having it when I had the 9070XT and it is still on the list if games that support it.
BeardSpike
Member
Yeah, it should.
Crayon
if you're using ProtonGE or ProtonEM put PROTON_FSR4_UPGRADE=1
In launch options in Steam properties of game.
You don't have to use OptiScaler, it should work in CachyOS.
I sometimes use OptiScaler and force 1.0 resolution to use FSR4 Native AA though.
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Crayon
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Yeah, it should.
PROTON_FSR4_UPGRADE=1
In launch options in Steam properties of game.
You don't have to use OptiScaler, it should work in CachyOS.
I sometimes use OptiScaler and force 1.0 resolution to use FSR4 Native AA though.
Oh, damn, thanks! I will try. I'm sidetracked though because cachyos had a rough update and it's been causing little fallout here and there. I'm going to switch to bazzite for that machine so it'll be a bit till i get to try.
ChoosableOne
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Can someone share all the cons of this card and the non-xt version? I remember there were some issues related to DX9. Does Optiscaler work in every game? It doesn't look very practical. Fsr vs dlss differences? As far as I know, its ray tracing performance is also a bit behind the 5070ti. How are amd's drivers? Do bugs occur very often?
Gp1
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Pros: (in my region at least) it's priced closer to the 5070 than the 5070ti while trading blows on performance with the 5070ti. Better Raster performance.
Cons: DLSS, multi frame generation and RT performance basically. FSR 4 still has a lower IQ and a much slower (official) Implementation than DLSS,
The 9070xt performance on RT is closer to Nvidia last gen than this one (although the situation is improving),
You can't create RTX remixes with it (plus you can't use framegen on it like the Nvidia)
AMD OpenGl performance was always lacking.
AMD can pull a series 6xxx driver support/Redstone moment down the road.
5070ti is way ahead on productivity tasks.
You can consider the same for cons for 9070 non XT, plus its priced above the 5070 (but you get those 4gb of RAM, so you get a immense longevity plus over the 5070) and IMHO the 9070 is priced dangerously close to the XT to justify it.
Cons: DLSS, multi frame generation and RT performance basically. FSR 4 still has a lower IQ and a much slower (official) Implementation than DLSS,
The 9070xt performance on RT is closer to Nvidia last gen than this one (although the situation is improving),
You can't create RTX remixes with it (plus you can't use framegen on it like the Nvidia)
AMD OpenGl performance was always lacking.
AMD can pull a series 6xxx driver support/Redstone moment down the road.
5070ti is way ahead on productivity tasks.
You can consider the same for cons for 9070 non XT, plus its priced above the 5070 (but you get those 4gb of RAM, so you get a immense longevity plus over the 5070) and IMHO the 9070 is priced dangerously close to the XT to justify it.
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ChoosableOne
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I'm using a 780m iGPU and experience occasional crashes combining Youtube playback and gaming. It's rare where it normally works, but blows up enough to be annoying. Even when a full restart or shutdown doesn't fix it. I have to manually disable and reenable the GPU in device manager to fix it. The biggest issues I had with NVIDIA in the latest few years was for a few months I needed to disable hardware acceleration in Firefox as it was causing crashes.
BeardSpike
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Grabbed my RX 9070XT at launch.
No crashes, except with undervolting at first two months I think. Linux drivers at first were also a bit behind. Now it's very very different with FSR4 working on Linux.
Then occasional Call of Duty crashes.
Then Call of duty DirectX errors. But that's mostly COD thing.
Now it seems to be patched, no COD crashes and no DirectX errors.
Also AMD Overlay started to recently be a bit slow to open up or freeze but I have pinpointed the issue to Discord game overlay, so I just disabled that and it works now without issues and I'm just alt tabbing to Discord instead.
Also undervolting seems to be much more stable as I can push it both on Windows and Linux and there aren't crashes in typical -50mV range I use.
OptiScaler just works in almost every game I paste it in, I don't find it to be particularly hard to drop-in... I already have my INI file ready with all settings I use and just hit enter enter while running bat file, be it in Windows or Linux. I also can force FSR4 in there to be at 1:1 resolution, so basically to force AA through it, like DLAA on folks on Nvidia side, even if games have only Quality option in there.
I only had one bad driver and it wasn't on official channel, it was a optional driver.
Even preview driver worked like a charm recently. Now I am on newest drivers and still no issues at all.
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ChoosableOne
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Oh those COD crashes... Now I remember, I had a lot of them when I was using rx580. They are still a thing huh.
CrustyBritches
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The draw is that the 5070 Ti is only 6% faster for 25% more money. Ray tracing I think it's around 17% faster. If your budget is $600 and under, then basically there's 5070 12GB or 9070/9070 XT 16GB, and 12GB is risky for 1440p+ players.
FSR4 is very good, probably in between DLSS CNN and Transformer in quality. DLSS is way more mature and in way more games and it's easier to use. Some productivity like CUDA, or requires it. Optiscaler doesn't always work seamlessly, but it's a godsend.
Also, I wanted to support AMD since they released a good card with excellent value. They don't fuck you with the VRAM.
SoloCamo
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What cpu do you have? At 1440p (and 4k depending on title), my 11900k even with very good memory can bottleneck my Powercolor Hellhound 9070 that I've got clocked to stock 9070XT performance.
Edit: nvm, see you've got a 14th gen, enjoy the XT my dude. That said, I'm still getting 120fps at 4k w/ fsr4 on BF6 mostly maxed setting on my setup so I've got zero complaints. Worth it over my prior 6900XT. Once AMD releases a proper high end gpu again I'll do a whole system upgrade. Went from geforce 4 ti4200 128mb > X800pro > X1950pro > gtx550ti > gtx480 > 7970ghz edition > 290x > rx580 8gb > Vega 56 > Vega 64 > Radeon VII > 6900XT and now 9070 to hold me over. I had older gpu's than my gf4 ti4200 but can't recall lol.
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BeardSpike
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Were a thing. Not a blip in 3 months I think.
Gp1
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Cost Per Frame: Best Value Graphics Cards Right Now | TechSpot https://share.google/EZTKxdP2I7TO6Wq0r
9070 XT with a price per frame ratio closer to the already hugely discounted 5070, and the other entry cards (at least in my region). It's absurd.
9070 XT with a price per frame ratio closer to the already hugely discounted 5070, and the other entry cards (at least in my region). It's absurd.
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Crayon
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This fsr4 looks pretty damn good! Can't compare to dlss because I don't trust YouTube images and zooms. Pretty fuckin good on its own, though. It's not even the same thing as 3.1. I know it's literally not the same thing, I mean the result isn't even close. 7' from a 55inch tv, 4k via performance mode looks great. Ultra performance was quite a step down in quality, though.
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OLED_Gamer
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FSR4 at performance or higher is fantastic in 4k.
CrustyBritches
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From my own experience, and based on comparisons from a few reliable youtubers, FSR4 is in between DLSS CNN and Transformer in quality. Which kind of makes sense since it's a hybrid CNN and Transformer model from what I've read.
I usually play 1440p(FSR4 'Performance'). It looks great and I'd rather have the frames any day. In Cyberpunk benchmark 1440p/Native "no upscaling" with Ultra+RT(Ultra) I got 55fps. With FSR4 'Performance' at the same settings it was 106fps while having way less shimmering than Native.
Crayon
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Using optiscaler to get the fsr4 on there?
CrustyBritches
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Cyberpunk has native FSR4, and DLSS CNN or Transformer options in the settings. It also has built-in frame gen, but for some reason I like AFMF with Quality settings.
Crayon
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No shit!!! Last I checked it didn't have it but that was a long time ago. I'm going to try that out. I love the game and I wanted to go all the way through it again for the phantom liberty. I was waiting for two things. First, I want to wait long enough so that I forget most of the game lol. And I wanted to wait till I had a serious hardware upgrade over the PS5 that I played on.
CrustyBritches
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I play on a 1440p/165Hz monitor, and if I was chasing visuals I'd play 1440p(FSR4 'Perf'), Ultra Settings, Path Tracing, AFMF 'Quality' or built-in FSR3.1 FG. In the heavy corpo plaza area speeding on a superbike I drop to around ~110fps, otherwise it's ~120fps all the time and it looks great. Personally, I'm ok with regular RT at 'Ultra' settings. That way it's smooth asf.
CDPR really redeemed themselves with this game. It's easily one of the best games out there with cutting edge tech, and they have it optimized for Deck, Switch 2, PC, etc..
Crayon
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Really you can get the path tracing running like that? I was planning to have to be selective about the raytracing effects. RT work might be slower on linux, though. Not sure where the mesa driver is on that these days. I suppose I'll have something to report back on after I try.
Crayon
Member
Yeah just tried those settings and I'm getting close enough to that without finding the scene you're in. 100-120fps. Nice.
That path tracing is so underwhelming lol. I can appreciate the increment from ultra to psycho but the pt... damn that's hard to tell. Don't show me the same screenshots. In the overall impression of the game running, It's just not some big punch in the face. I'm catching occasional angles where I notice something looks really good but I can't stop the benchmark to stare.
Goofing around here, I think my settings are going to be rt reflections on, rt light psycho, rt shadows off, 1440 balanced, no frame gen. This runs the benchmark at 60 for around 200w. No undervolt yet because this is a new bazzite install and haven't got to it.
This is great, though. I'm used to having to wait for stuff on linux to catch up and it's always uncertain. So nice surprise having the main features working so quickly.
winjer
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How to add AMD FSR4 to any game: A complete guide to Optiscaler
A complete guide on how to enable AMD FSR4 in more games using Optiscaler, expanding upscaling & frame-gen support to more non-FSR4 titles.
wccftech.com
The whole article is a bit long to be pasted here.
Gp1
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Guys help out here.
What I did
DDU the GTX 1060 driver in safe mode (entered safe mode via boot config)
Installed the new PSU
Installed the new 9070xt
Turned it on.
Video signal ok
And I'm stuck into the dreaded Recovery mode looping with a message of "not possible to connect to network"
What I did
DDU the GTX 1060 driver in safe mode (entered safe mode via boot config)
Installed the new PSU
Installed the new 9070xt
Turned it on.
Video signal ok
And I'm stuck into the dreaded Recovery mode looping with a message of "not possible to connect to network"
Miyazaki’s Slave
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Gp1
Member
I don't think so (I still go to recovery when mashing F8). I've already tried safe mode and it still gets me to recovery
One thing that I noted was in bios. I believe was booting with legacy/CSM mode on the old GPU. Now it's stuck on uefi, and I can't change it. (Grey selection)
The Mobo is. A b660m Mag bazooka DDR4
edit. Shit I think I found it. Rdna4 only works in UEFI! As soon as i installed the 9070xt it switch my bios to UEFI.
I have to switch to uefi before installing the new GPU. Here we go switching everything back, switching to uefi on windows then installing the GPU again...
edit 2. found a way to switch back to csm, install adrenaline. When i try to convert to UEFI,
My pc already shows in gpt partition but i can boot in uefi mode, which is necessary for resizable bar.
What a clusterfuck
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Miyazaki’s Slave
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BeardSpike
Member
I would put old gpu back, copy all the important data, passwords, or better switch to Bitwarden and synchronise all between mobile and Windows, it also synchronise all my passwords on Linux.
I also copied all the data in app data when I was lazy. Mozilla/Zen, Vivaldi, Thunderbird and it all worked, since I have a shit ton of filters there and labels, so I can read all the important notifications like GG.deals and whatnot without searching though all of my emails.
Then format the damn thing, and put new GPU back.
Also you can move Steam and GOG games on a separate drive, and import them later. Saved me a bit of a headache lately too.
EDIT: Oh I see you already booted up somehow.
Still backup data just to be sure, you can format it all later, if it decides to act up again.
A clasterfuck indeed, lmao.
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