cinnamonandgravy
Member
still going to get this because my switch 2 is doing a whole lot of nothing and prime 1-3 were good... but... why're they doing me like this?
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still going to get this because my switch 2 is doing a whole lot of nothing and prime 1-3 were good... but... why're they doing me like this?
El Hee-Ho
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
Appreciate the lengthy post mate. For me, those issues would be more important than whatever else, but that's me. Glad you enjoyed the game dude, even if it could have been better. Hopefully Retro learns from the mistakes done here and makes something cooler for Prime 5.
darrylgorn
Member
Arsic
Loves his juicy stink trail scent
Nah. Their director for the game has a terrible history of games.
Prime is cooked if they ever do another.
In 2D Metroid we trust.
Arsic
Loves his juicy stink trail scent
For the record this is the director and his game history. Tropical freeze is the best thing he touched IMO:
https://metroid.fandom.com/wiki/Bill_Vandervoort
https://metroid.fandom.com/wiki/Bill_Vandervoort
LordOcidax
Member
Game completed 100%, my final review score 9.3/10. MP1>MP4>MP2>MP3. Amazing game, all the things that i wanted for a Prime game is here + More. Can't wait to see what Retro can achieve with the Switch 2.
Arsic
Loves his juicy stink trail scent
You really had no issue that the game was all corridors with no exploration?
LordOcidax
Member
I doesn't have been an issue for me on any Metroidvania game ever… The more important thing for me is that the core Metroid Prime experience (Gameplay, Controls, exploration, ambient, puzzles, bosses etc etc) is intact and in some occasions is the best of the series.
Lokaum D+
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LordOcidax
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Lokaum D+
Member
Gatekeeping much ?Fake fans of Metroid Prime alert
Doomtrain
Gold Member
I have a genuine question. What is a "fake fan" to you? What about a "real" fan?Fake fans of Metroid Prime alert
Fake
Member
Probably me.
Arsic
Loves his juicy stink trail scent
Fake fans of Metroid Prime alert
LordOcidax
Member
Not going to waste my time discussing this… Especially now that hating on this game is a trend and after complete the game i am just having some laughs over some reviews. As a fan of the series i am 100% satisfied. Amazing game.
Doomtrain
Gold Member
I want to want this so badly, but I don't trust them not to fuck it up in some way at this point. Given the trajectory of the series, I can see them being like, "You know the problem we need to fix with Super Metroid? Players could go off the beaten track occasionally and do things out of order. Let's fix that."
I increasingly think that even Nintendo doesn't understand what made Super Metroid tick. Like maybe all the things people love about it were less intentional, and more just weird flukes.
Doomtrain
Gold Member
You brought it up, so if it's a "waste of time," that's on you.
LordOcidax
Member
Nahh, i just give my opinion on the game and the same users had the same reaction like in every Nintendo related topic…
Easy to spot.
Doomtrain
Gold Member
This is a non sequitur and you know it.Nahh, i just give my opinion on the game and the same users had the same reaction like in every Nintendo related topic…
Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
A positive opinion, let's cancel the dude for gategeeping after clearly questioning the vast majority of both critic and user reviews pretending only the minority of vocal negative opinions are real (yet liking critics when it comes to the average being similar to Other M's) even though they all disagree too as some want it more like Prime, some less because it's outdated, some fault the npcs, some don't, some want it like Dread others hate, some want Samus to talk, some hate even the idea of it, etc., some only want you to voice an opinion after playing but will happily pile on with people who haven't played it as long as they side with the negative views as all will happily agree it's bad or is an 8/10 only if 8/10 means as good (bad) as Other M and that Nintendo/Retro lost its touch/shouldn't make more/etc. You started it, questioning how he can like/not mind x or y thing you feel it is 
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Giallo Corsa
Member
Literally this :
Gatekeeping, deflecting, coping, forcing your own defence narrative and throwing around names like "trolls", "haters" and "fake fans" (lmao)…
I honestly have no idea how you function in the real world. It's behaviour you'd expect from a ten-year-old.
The cope really is something
Chuck Berry
Gold Member
I can feeel it, coping in the air toniii-ght. Hold o-onnn.
LordOcidax
Member
Ohh Look, isLiterally this :
Gatekeeping, deflecting, coping, forcing your own defence narrative and throwing around names like "trolls", "haters" and "fake fans" (lmao)…
I honestly have no idea how you function in the real world. It's behaviour you'd expect from a ten-year-old.
The cope really is something
Giallo Corsa
on another Nintendo thread 
. Your comment history is epic.
Giallo Corsa
Member
More coping.
It's actually amazing how stupid you sound 99% of the time, and I don't mean it is a gatcha but literally as in, you must not be a very smart individual.
You both type and express your opinions like a 10-year-old at best, In fact only giga Bowser was worse than you.
LordOcidax
Member
Is amazing how easy some of you get triggered about an opinion
. Especially when its something positive about Nintendo… i didn't reply on any of the users reviews here or got mad. For me as a fan of the Prime series this game is amazing .
nkarafo
Member
Then i guess what the "core functions" of a franchise are must be very different for some.
How? How is there isolation when you meet all those NPCs, do missions together and are in communication through most of the game?
Just because they let you alone during some parts of the mission or stop talking to you for a moment it doesn't mean they aren't around. It's a completely different feeling than being on a whole planet alone, without the safety of knowing someone is close by to help you or talk to you or guide you, which is how all Metroid games were before. That's isolation.
I know some later Metroid games broke that "rule" with Nintendo trying to make it more mainstream. But in some games this was less of an issue (like in Fusion where there is communication but no physical presence so you are still alone physically) and in others it completely changed the tone of the game like in OtherM and now Prime 4.
Most people who expressed their dislike for the game have given legitimate arguments about it. I have explained in detail why i don't like it. There are legitimate issues with this game.
So you saying it's only a trend (as if long time Metroid fans like me enjoy not liking a Metroid game) and then following up with "what an amazing game" ignoring everything said about it, looks very childish. Not to mention your "fake Metroid fans" alert, as if you are the authority to say who the real fans are. You come off as extremely butt hurt and condescending for some reason.
There are "haters" but there are also "raging fanboys". Both can be equally bad. Don't be either.
I remember when Prime 1 was released, a lot of Metroid fans hated it because of the first person view. Personally i loved that change but i didn't go into threads making condescending posts about how they are drones following some trend and how the game is amazing but they can't see it. It's not a competition. I don't have Nintendo or Retro Studios stocks so i feel the need to advertise how great it was. I completely understood why they didn't like it since the first person view was a big change and moved on. Not sure why you can't move on and just be glad that you enjoy the game yourself.
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Doomtrain
Gold Member
Yeah. I guess nothing says "true fan" like refusing to engage critically with something.
LordOcidax
Member
Do you think this game is worse than MP3?
MacReady13
Member
I think I'm done talking about this game in here. Clearly my love for this game is not good enough for certain people as this game is supposedly too different to what has come before (even though not being different enough was Shillup's main complaint in his review) so fight it out amongst yourselves. I love Metroid games. All of them excite me and entertain me in many different way. Prime 4 is no different. You don't like it? Cool. I really really enjoy it. And I don't feel the need anymore to try justify to anyone else why I enjoy it so much.
Doomtrain
Gold Member
No no no, I'm agreeing with you. My post wasn't ABOUT you.
nkarafo
Member
Yes. I didn't like Prime 3 as much as the previous ones for pretty much the same reasons (the NPCs mostly and how it's not as interconnected design wise). But the good/bad ratio was still OK enough for me to give it a 6/10 (if we use the scores language).
Prime 4 focuses more on the things MP3 did wrong so the good/bad ratio is worse, to the point the bad outweigh the good IMO. It's not surprising to see the Prime series going this direction after a different director took over.
My top 5 Metroid games are Super, Prime 1, Metroid 2 (original), Prime 2 and either Dread or AM2R in case you are wondering. I never liked the original as much btw, i tried to like it back in the day because i loved the atmosphere but it's very awkward to play. I thought Metroid 2 was superior.
Why would anyone care about your love for something? Are you supposed to be someone important?
I know you said you don't want to engage anymore but i thought this part in your post was weird.
Sorry, i thought you were referring to my post since you quoted me.
Kinda ironic after i said you have to read more carefully, lol
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I'm on the final stretch of the game and I can safely say that Prime 4 can't touch the original trilogy.
Just a quick comparison between the original trilogy and MP4 can tell you all you need to know.
The levels look AMAZING, but they're corridors with nothing to explore. Making the Desert a hub was a big mistake, one of the things I loved from the Trilogy is how you could find paths to other areas and find cool shit and lore.
No visors, we already did Ice and Fire weapons in Prime 1, no relevant info or interesting lore when scanning 90% of the stuff, carrying NPCs.
I still need to finish it, I have 93% of the scans so I know I'm close, I'll give my final score then.
nkarafo
Member
Ah yes, i always forget about that one.
The visors were an ingenious addition to the prime series because they also worked as a justification for being in first person perspective.
You can still do these effects in a third person view too i guess but it's not the same.
MacReady13
Member
Clearly not as important as you when it comes to Metroid talk. So keep going with your general dislike of this game and criticism of anyone who even mentions anything remotely positive about it.
Oh and I'm a nobody here. Just a dickhead with an opinion on something I love. Sorry for having an opinion that differs from your "facts" on this game.
Doomtrain
Gold Member
All good. Your original post really resonated with me and I meant for my post to basically be like, "Yes, this. And to further build on that..." I think I may have phrased it a bit more ambiguously than I meant to, so that's on me.
Matsuchezz
Member
the game for a new comer is fucking boring. unless your a kid who knows no better..
I played MP on the cube and that game was amazing, i didn't like the control too much, I still feel is a little bit gimmicky. Mp4 is not more of the same. Is kind of a bad implementation of the base metroid prime game on all levels. Only thing to praise is somewhat the boss battles that are fun. the rest is very forgettable.
i can't understand that people like the game. but this game is far far from amazing or even be a good game.
I played MP on the cube and that game was amazing, i didn't like the control too much, I still feel is a little bit gimmicky. Mp4 is not more of the same. Is kind of a bad implementation of the base metroid prime game on all levels. Only thing to praise is somewhat the boss battles that are fun. the rest is very forgettable.
i can't understand that people like the game. but this game is far far from amazing or even be a good game.
nkarafo
Member
Nobody discredited you for loving the game. Your opinion about it is 100% respected.
But you don't seem to mind when the criticisms are discredited as "just a trend" or when the posters themselves are deemed "not true Metroid fans".
And then you do this weird post about how your love of the game isn't enough to convince everyone else that it's great?
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Doomtrain
Gold Member
I mean, that's great that you enjoyed the game. More power to you. Other people aren't obligated to agree with your assessment, any more than you're obligated to agree with theirs. Just because someone else dislikes the game doesn't mean you have to agree with them.
I'm not sure what SkillUp has to do with anything. I watched his review and had very different takeaways from it, but it's a moot point, because no one is obligated to agree or disagree with him, either. He's just another dude giving his opinion, as are we all.
No one is attempting to invalidate you by disagreeing with you.
MacReady13
Member
No I didn't mean it in that way. I'm stating that my love for the game is not enough to make people understand MY point of view as being different to others who claim to love Metroid as well.
Lokaum D+
Member
Some ppl said that the enemy variety is great in this game… What variety?
You're either facing the same three different robots or the four different colors of Grievers (I was almost forgetting the incredible three enemies in the desert).
And you don't need any different tactics to deal with them, whereas in Prime 1 you would get wrecked by some enemies without the X-Ray or Heat Vision, for reference Prime 4 has 41 types of creatures, while Prime 1 has double that amount.
Also no one is hating on the game. Most people here even acknowledge that the game is good and has its own merits, BUT as a Prime game, it's a downgrade in every core aspect.
People have waited 18 years for a new Prime game, and this isn't it.
You're either facing the same three different robots or the four different colors of Grievers (I was almost forgetting the incredible three enemies in the desert).
And you don't need any different tactics to deal with them, whereas in Prime 1 you would get wrecked by some enemies without the X-Ray or Heat Vision, for reference Prime 4 has 41 types of creatures, while Prime 1 has double that amount.
Also no one is hating on the game. Most people here even acknowledge that the game is good and has its own merits, BUT as a Prime game, it's a downgrade in every core aspect.
People have waited 18 years for a new Prime game, and this isn't it.
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Arsic
Loves his juicy stink trail scent
MP4 is my favorite halo game since reach.
LordOcidax
Member
Looks like we appreciate different things about the Prime series, looks like you don't like NPCs and love the interconnection between maps… Like i said, i love from this series the Atmosphere, Controls, level design, gameplay, Puzzles, Music, sound design, the bosses, the sense of discovery and the artstyle, and some others things, and this game is amazing on those aspects and way better than MP3 (At least for me) which is my least favorite of the series. For MP2 the dual world thing for me is tiresome at the end. Thats why i put 4 above 2. And MP1 still my favorite for the novelty at that time like DS1 is my favorite for the Souls series, even knowing that DS3 and BB are better games.
Doomtrain
Gold Member
We can certainly agree on this, at least. The map design in DS1 is incredible.
LordOcidax
Member
DS1 is basically MP1 with and sword and a shield when it comes to map design.
nial
Member
Strange. Tropical Freeze is amazing, but I guess that does not necessarily translate onto different genres.
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