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Artistic

Artistic

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I hope entering the next generation, all games aren't required to be installed on them in order to play it.

As a fan of Xbox, it is one of the negatives the Series S/X has had this generation as they only offer proprietary SSD options. Sure I don't need 10 plus games installed at one time, but who doesn't love the convenience of having a digital library sometimes?

Who can relate?
 
SpokkX said:
wtf? you want mechanical HDD:s?

Are bigger SSD not a better idea?

On my PC i have 6TB NVME SSD - storage is not an issue
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I want flexibility to choose if I want to install(and play) the game on the internal storage and an external standard HDD.

I have that option on my PC. Not on my Series X.

6TB is OD in my opinion as well.
 
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Storage is cheap now. Non issue. The only issue is Xbox's baffling decision to use proprietary memory. Hopefully they don't do that again, if they even make another console at this point.
 
SSD was never going to offer whatever you thought they were. Xbox isn't holding the gaming tech back with their SSD tech. You just bought into Sony's promise of it being revolutionary.
 
SpokkX said:
wtf? you want mechanical HDD:s?

Are bigger SSD not a better idea?

On my PC i have 6TB NVME SSD - storage is not an issue
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But money is. For 4gb it's $400 to 500 and who knows how much if these Ai pos jerks don't stop taking it all.

I have 6gb on my pc too. But only 1.5 is NVME another 500mb data ssd and 2x 2g HDD for older games. Only my os and newer stuff is on ssd and it works great.

That 2tb HDD is under $40.which in this economy is needed.
 
Aenima said:
Yeah, i miss waiting 1 minute to fast travel in Witcher 3, i had so much free time to make house chores. Now these damn SSDs just keep me playing the games.
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My main point is you're pretty much expected to upgrade the storage regardless this generation no matter what. That wasn't a requirement in any other generation.
 
It's already going to be bad enough that new game consoles will probably get kneecapped with 6-8GB of VRAM, let's go ahead and throw mechanical hard drives back in the mix to help cut costs.

Congratulations OP, you just invented a PS4.
 
SSDs are the shit, I just wished they made the mechanical sounds HDDs make. It's like sure, electric cars are the future, but nothing compares to hearing even a finely tuned 4 cylinder engine.
 
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Just did a quick Google search. This isn't relatively cheap in my opinion. I bought a 2TB HDD for the Xbox One brand new for $60 that I still use to this day.
 
Artistic said:
I don't mind longer loading times. Not aware of streaming issues as well...
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OK. So suppose in your opinion, in between the loading times, the mass storage is not doing nothing at all? Like, not streaming assets?

There is a vast difference between a current-gen SSD and the previous gen HDDs. Not to mention optical media. I think your username needs adjustment. The "r" should be replaced with "u".
 
nowhat said:
OK. So suppose in your opinion, in between the loading times, the mass storage is not doing nothing at all? Like, not streaming assets?

There is a vast difference between a current-gen SSD and the previous gen HDDs. Not to mention optical media. I think your username needs adjustment. The "r" should be replaced with "u".
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Be respecful of the autistic.

All I want is the flexibility of being able to use my HDD. Otherwise it becomes a paperweight outside of older games.
 
PC's aren't sold with HDD's anymore. It makes sense to switch to SSD or m.2. You'll have to replace that HDD sooner or later when you start hearing it crackle. Honestly, this would be the first time in 10 years I've heard someone who didn't trust SSD's. Back then those same people thought SSD's were a fad. I'd say if it doesn't have an SSD or m.2, we are screwed.
 
Northeastmonk said:
PC's aren't sold with HDD's anymore. It makes sense to switch to SSD or m.2. You'll have to replace that HDD sooner or later when you start hearing it crackle. Honestly, this would be the first time in 10 years I've heard someone who didn't trust SSD's. Back then those same people thought SSD's were a fad. I'd say if it doesn't have an SSD or m.2, we are screwed.
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Never said I didn't trust it, but being forced to utilize it when I have extra storage is crazy to me.

I'm not required to install all my PC games on my SSD, why should I have to on console?
 
Artistic said:
Never said I didn't trust it, but being forced to utilize it when I have extra storage is crazy to me.

I'm not required to install all my PC games on my SSD, why should I have to on console?
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Consoles are already proprietary hardware. You're basically paying for someone to do the work for you. My concern with letting you use anything you want is write speeds. That instant load time on PS5 is due to it having an SSD in it. If you consider the write speed they want you to have with games, they have to be able to pull resources and what not. I don't look at HDD anymore, so I'm not sure what your write speed is. On PC, you can modify every piece of hardware and you can download the drivers for the game to run. That's a custom made experience. So if you want that slower speed go ahead. People trust console companies for the whole experience. I think forcing the consumer to buy a certain speed or type of drive isn't a huge issue considering they're doing everything else for the player.
 
This is an Xbox problem not an industry problem

Microsoft used proprietary HDD during the 360 era too, you couldn't use any off the shelf HDD to upgrade a 360 storage you had to buy the overpriced ones from them

Fortunately now that Microsoft is fucking off from being a platform holder this won't be an issue anymore. The PS3, PS4, PS5, Switch, Switch 2, and Steam Deck can all take off the shelf upgrades to their internal storage using industry standard parts
 
Artistic said:
Yes.

Thank you.
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falconhoof said:
WUT?

You've been posting about HDD not SSD?!?!
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Yes, we don't read minds. But even if you're talking about externally connected SSDs via USB or somesuch. PC games may be built around tolerances of what may be the lowest common denominator. But, consoles are (usually, until everything is an Xbox) built around a fixed hardware target. A game is built/ported around the presumption that mass storage can handle some things. If the mass storage can't handle it, the game may not/will not function properly. It's better to downright reject such attempts, rather than be drowned with inane support requests.
 
Artistic said:
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Just did a quick Google search. This isn't relatively cheap in my opinion. I bought a 2TB HDD for the Xbox One brand new for $60 that I still use to this day.
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The high price on this is the direct result of Microsoft choosing a proprietary format for their SSD expansion cards, and isn't reflective of the cost of SSDs in general.

BennyBlanco BennyBlanco posted a deal above for a PS5-compatible 4TB SSD that's $146. That's $334 less than what Best Buy is charging for the Xbox card.

Artistic said:
I'm not required to install all my PC games on my SSD, why should I have to on console?
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You're not required to, but your games are going to suffer from extensive load times if you put them on a mechanical hard drive. This will be even more of an issue next gen, since this gen is the first time developers kind of assume you have an SSD.

Watch this, timestampped:



The three comparison shots on the left are all various generations/speeds of SSDs, and the shot on the right is with a mechanical hard drive. By the time the mechanical drive has loaded the stage, the SSDs had almost all already gone on to the next stage AFTER that one. It technically works, but it adds an almost 40 second load time to something that is otherwise nearly instantaneous on a proper modern SSD.
 
falconhoof said:
WUT?

You've been posting about HDD not SSD?!?!

EDIT: https://www.crucial.com/articles/about-ssd/ssd-vs-hdd
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Not sure why I have to clarify this.

I don't want to be forced to buying an external SSD specifically for my Series X because the base 1TB isn't enough. Yes I can technically still buy it if I truly feel it's a necessity, but I already have a 2TB external HDD that is underutilized.

Hell, even electronic stores and GameStops still sell massive HDDs marketed for current Gen hardware.
 
jshackles said:
The high price on this is the direct result of Microsoft choosing a proprietary format for their SSD expansion cards, and isn't reflective of the cost of SSDs in general.

BennyBlanco BennyBlanco posted a deal above for a PS5-compatible 4TB SSD that's $146. That's $334 less than what Best Buy is charging for the Xbox card.


You're not required to, but your games are going to suffer from extensive load times if you put them on a mechanical hard drive. This will be even more of an issue next gen, since this gen is the first time developers kind of assume you have an SSD.

Watch this, timestampped:



The three comparison shots on the left are all various generations/speeds of SSDs, and the shot on the right is with a mechanical hard drive. By the time the mechanical drive has loaded the stage, the SSDs had almost all already gone on to the next stage AFTER that one. It technically works, but it adds an almost 40 second load time to something that is otherwise nearly instantaneous on a proper modern SSD.
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Understood all this already.

I guess it's a miscalculated decision on MS' part. Because if they go with more open ended storage on the Xbox Magnus, then the current expansions might be rendered useless.
 
Artistic said:
Not sure why I have to clarify this.

I don't want to be forced to buying an external SSD specifically for my Series X because the base 1TB isn't enough. Yes I can technically still buy it if I truly feel it's a necessity, but I already have a 2TB external HDD that is underutilized.

Hell, even electronic stores and GameStops still sell massive HDDs marketed for current Gen hardware.
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Seriously. Dude. You use SSDs and HDDs so interchangeably, who the fuck can tell what you're on about.
 
Artistic said:
I guess it's a miscalculated decision on MS' part.
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Yep, we're done here.

For reference - on the PS5 you can use that external / mechanical HDD to store (and play) your PS4 games. You can also store your PS5 games on the drive as a sort of backup, but you have to copy them back to your internal SSD to be able to play them. Microsoft doesn't allow this, probably as a way to sell you overpriced drives.

EDIT: seems Microsoft allows this too, so I don't know what OP is complaining about
 
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Artistic said:
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Just did a quick Google search. This isn't relatively cheap in my opinion. I bought a 2TB HDD for the Xbox One brand new for $60 that I still use to this day.
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I've been shitting on Microsoft for years over these pieces of shit and I will continue to do so. They opted for proprietary storage expansion purely for greed and nothing else. The drives in them aren't even outrageously fast.
 
jshackles said:
Yep, we're done here.

For reference - on the PS5 you can use that external / mechanical HDD to store (and play) your PS4 games. You can also store your PS5 games on the drive as a sort of backup, but you have to copy them back to your internal SSD to be able to play them. Microsoft doesn't allow this, probably as a way to sell you overpriced drives.
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Xbox does allow it.
 
jshackles said:
Yep, we're done here.

For reference - on the PS5 you can use that external / mechanical HDD to store (and play) your PS4 games. You can also store your PS5 games on the drive as a sort of backup, but you have to copy them back to your internal SSD to be able to play them. Microsoft doesn't allow this, probably as a way to sell you overpriced drives.
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Huh? You can play and store Xbox one games on external HDD's. You can even move your installed series x games to an HDD, but you can't play from it. Am I misunderstanding this post?
 
The transfer between HDD and SSD is an install time within itself.

I just want to play next(or current )gen games off the HDD. I can tolerate the longer loading times.

All I'm asking for.
 
jshackles said:
The three comparison shots on the left are all various generations/speeds of SSDs, and the shot on the right is with a mechanical hard drive. By the time the mechanical drive has loaded the stage, the SSDs had almost all already gone on to the next stage AFTER that one. It technically works, but it adds an almost 40 second load time to something that is otherwise nearly instantaneous on a proper modern SSD.
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One thing that always bothered me, why don't games have an option to fully cache themselves into RAM?

This particular game is 40GB. I have 64GB of super fast RAM. Why not have the option to load the whole thing and completely remove any later loading or streaming into RAM?

Even RAMDisk doesn't work that way. It will still load from RAMDisk to the remaining RAM.
 
Artistic said:
I just want to play next(or current )gen games off the HDD. I can tolerate the longer loading times.
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...OK, I'll tap in just for the response. IT. IS. NOT. GOING. TO. HAPPEN. How fucking thick you have to be not to understand this. The seek/loading times make this impossible. This is akin to wanting to have a pony. You will not get that pony, ever.
 
Artistic said:
Not sure why I have to clarify this.

I don't want to be forced to buying an external SSD specifically for my Series X because the base 1TB isn't enough. Yes I can technically still buy it if I truly feel it's a necessity, but I already have a 2TB external HDD that is underutilized.

Hell, even electronic stores and GameStops still sell massive HDDs marketed for current Gen hardware.
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You have to clarify because you're using mixed up terminology that makes most of your posts incomprehensible waffle.

"My hat is too small to put on my feet"

"Why are you putting a hat on your feet?"

"Shoes, hat, same difference. Please read the thread and understand what I'm saying."
 
nowhat said:
...OK, I'll tap in just for the response. IT. IS. NOT. GOING. TO. HAPPEN. How fucking thick you have to be not to understand this. The seek/loading times make this impossible. This is akin to wanting to have a pony. You will not get that pony, ever.
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The loading times were never an issue until this generation though lol.
 
nowhat said:
...OK, I'll tap in just for the response. IT. IS. NOT. GOING. TO. HAPPEN. How fucking thick you have to be not to understand this. The seek/loading times make this impossible. This is akin to wanting to have a pony. You will not get that pony, ever.
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I don't see why a pony is an impossible scenario.

Expecting a mechanical drive to be able to handle a modern game is though.
 
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