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[DenchDeckard]

Dudes whole existence revolved around inflating Xbox numbers. I wonder how he will cope now. Something tells me he along with the other die hard Xbox warriors are going to identify as PC enthusiasts now.

My only issue with statements like this that there are plenty of people who were pc gamers before Xbox was even a sniff in the eye of bill gates and purchased the OG Xbox because it was like a cut down pentium III or something with an Nvidia GPU. It was a cool console to buy and I modded mine. Put XBMC on it and I was a fan.

But, my gaming started on old 386 then 486 pcs wresting with IRQ and DMA conflicts on sound cards because I wanted voices in day of the tentacle. Maybe monkey island or fate of Atlantis. Probably Sam and max hit the road!

Basically im a Lucas arts dweeb.

 

[TKOFromTokyo]

I bought a Series X with money I made off of selling PS5s back during their launch. I figured I'd give Xbox a try again for the first time since the OG. The fact that games generally performed better on the PS5 and Xbox lacked killer exclusives has made it sit idle for me this whole generation. I'm not a fan of renting games, so Game Pass is a turn off for me. They really needed some home run exclusives to be successful this gen and failed miserably.

 

[Artistic]

An interesting experiment that I think has proven that consumers can handle it and the industry can support it. But, I think platform holders running a full-fat console and a paired-back handheld PC is the most likely outcome moving forward. Sony's certainly headed in that direction, and Microsoft has tried with the Ally stuff. I don't think we see a gimped home console like the S again.

Any chance we get three SKUs, well technically 2 for Xbox Magnus?

 

[demigod]

 

[onQ123]

My only issue with statements like this that there are plenty of people who were pc gamers before Xbox was even a sniff in the eye of bill gates and purchased the OG Xbox because it was like a cut down pentium III or something with an Nvidia GPU. It was a cool console to buy and I modded mine. Put XMC on it and I was a fan.

But, my gaming started on old 386 then 486 pcs wresting with IRQ and DMA conflicts on sound cards because I wanted voices in day of the tentacle. Maybe monkey island or fate of Atlantis. Probably Sam and max hit the road!

Basically im a Lucas arts dweeb.

Modded OG Xbox was greatness

 

[ZehDon]

Any chance we get three SKUs, well technically 2 for Xbox Magnus?

Word about is we're getting a console as well as a console-PC hybrid, both using Magnus. I suspect the console is the "low spec" Xbox that's cheaper, whereas the console-PC hybrid is the "high spec" Xbox that's (a lot?) more expensive.

 

[mckmas8808]

What's wrong with his statement there?

 

[StereoVsn]

Modded OG Xbox was greatness

It was damn good. Media Center options especially were excellent on the modded Xbox.

 

[demigod]

What's wrong with his statement there?

Fake numbers by Alinea. We know what Yotei numbers were and it beats FH5 numbers.

 

[mckmas8808]

Fake numbers by Alinea. We know what Yotei numbers were and it beats FH5 numbers.

How do you know Yotei's numbers are still beating FH5's numbers? What if this means Yotei is 6 million sold. What am I missing?

 

[onQ123]

Any chance we get three SKUs, well technically 2 for Xbox Magnus?

I believe it will be at least 4

 

[reinking]

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Opinion  Thread 'Microsoft is creating a marketing problem for Xbox Series X that 12 TFLOPs can't fix, and PS5 / Switch are going to walk all over it'

Apr 8, 2020

They want to use the Xbox One & PC as a crutch in case Xbox Series X don't sell enough to support the developers which is a smart move but Xbox Series X also need it's own identity outside of just having a new tower design.


When it's time for the commercials & Sony have people in ads faking like the touch sensors in the DualSense have changed their life Xbox Series X can't really counter that.

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[demigod]

How do you know Yotei's numbers are still beating FH5's numbers? What if this means Yotei is 6 million sold. What am I missing?

It's not even in the top 10 downloads in USA the past 2 months.

 

[onQ123]

It was damn good. Media Center options especially were excellent on the modded Xbox.

A Modded Xbox was Fire Stick before Fire Sticks XBMC became Kodi

 

[twilo99]

One of the best designed systems of all time from a pure hardware perspective IMO.

True for both SKUs

 

[Alebrije]

well deserved. best console ever made. Phil should be very proud

The hardware is good the rest is crap..not even gamepass could save Xbone.

the rest = Phil Spencer and pals.

 

[kruis]

could be worse, could be wii u numbers (managing only about 13m in 5 years)

The problem is that Xbox is currently selling less than Wii U did in its final year. Xbox is also selling less now than the OG Xbox and Dreamcast did before they got canceled.

 

[PropellerEar]

Join team 27 for the win!

Even my guess from August on 27 was too optimistic.

 

[Donald mac Ronald]

Lmao the PS4 sold more than Xbox one and series s/x combined.

 

[onQ123]

Lmao the PS4 sold more than Xbox one and series s/x combined.

PS5 has sold more than them both combined

 

[Heisenberg007]

Glad to see others also realizing how horribly wrong Welfare's (inflated) "estimate" was.

As I calculated it earlier, Xbox wasn't even at 28 million when Welfare was claiming 37+

 

[Brucey]

Glad to see others also realizing how horribly wrong Welfare's (inflated) "estimate" was.

As I calculated it earlier, Xbox wasn't even at 28 million when Welfare was claiming 37+

Given Welfare's penchant for "straight lining" series must be at 45 million+ by now....

 

[Brucey]

PS5 has sold more than them both combined

Once gta6 finally releases can prob add the og xbox Gen to that combo list.

 

[Giallo Corsa]

Its a real shame.
They had many good things going on for them like the hardware, BC, quick resume etc but in the end, Gamepass can only take you so far...

Again, it's shame since I loved the OG Xbox and X360, (skipped the XONE) and liked the XSX.

It's an unfortunate case of "what could have been", alas, they chose to shoot themselves in the foot.

 

[Baemono]

I honestly thought the Series X would sell better than the S. Very wrong on that.

People will hate to admit it, but the S is an industry standard right now.

I know you corrected yourself afterwards but now you know the Series S only sold because the X (and PS5) weren't available. People are willing to spend the extra mile to have the full experience, that's why the PS5 Digital sold like 1/5th of the total of PS5 sales, and the Switch Lite barely sold 30 million, by far the lowest selling model behind the OG and the OLED.

Series S was a mistake, and the best proof of that is that Phil Spencer believed it would sell more. Which sums up how much he knows the industry.

Phil Spencer thinks Xbox Series S will end up outselling Xbox Series X | VGC

Xbox boss says “price really matters” in the long-run…

www.videogameschronicle.com

 

[GOKUSSJ2]

Xbox Series

12/31/2021 : ~11M (FTC Leak)
05/31/2022 : +12M (Mark Stanley)
06/29/2023 : +21M (BIG Festival)
06/30/2025 : < 30M (KeplerL2)

 

[Tobimacoss]

I believe it will be at least 4

4 Xbox Magnus SKUs? why do you think that?

 

[DenchDeckard]

Its a real shame.
They had many good things going on for them like the hardware, BC, quick resume etc but in the end, Gamepass can only take you so far...

Again, it's shame since I loved the OG Xbox and X360, (skipped the XONE) and liked the XSX.

It's an unfortunate case of "what could have been", alas, they chose to shoot themselves in the foot.

Here, here. Series x is excellent hardware and a generation thrown away in poor business decisions. I've enjoyed gamepass and had some amazing experiences this gen but they just did not deliver the goods. The real good stuff that they needed to. A shame but it is what it is.

Rumours out of CES under NDA is they were behind closed doors talking the future of Xbox and they are going to have one last go of it, it seems. Or more, if you think it's dead...it's not there will be another Xbox. Which we all know.

I just don't see the point if they don't create something massively appealing with excellent software support and ground breaking next gen controller tech like Sony brought with the ps5. They need the whole package

Excellent games!!!!!
Kick ass hardware
Excellent accessories, controllers etc.

....gamepass?

 

[mayham2199]

Here, here. Series x is excellent hardware and a generation thrown away in poor business decisions. I've enjoyed gamepass and had some amazing experiences this gen but they just did not deliver the goods. The real good stuff that they needed to. A shame but it is what it is.

Rumours out of CES under NDA is they were behind closed doors talking the future of Xbox and they are going to have one last go of it, it seems. Or more, if you think it's dead...it's not there will be another Xbox. Which we all know.

I just don't see the point if they don't create something massively appealing with excellent software support and ground breaking next gen controller tech like Sony brought with the ps5. They need the whole package

Excellent games!!!!!
Kick ass hardware
Excellent accessories, controllers etc.

....gamepass?

Honestly I don't see the point in general unless they have actual exclusives. If all the games go everywhere I don't see how they grow their base. At best they keep the current Xbox One\Series users but even that's a long shot. A lot of those people will realize they can get a PS and get all PS games and the Xbox games.

 

[Sooner]

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Opinion  Thread 'Microsoft is creating a marketing problem for Xbox Series X that 12 TFLOPs can't fix, and PS5 / Switch are going to walk all over it'

Apr 8, 2020

They want to use the Xbox One & PC as a crutch in case Xbox Series X don't sell enough to support the developers which is a smart move but Xbox Series X also need it's own identity outside of just having a new tower design.


When it's time for the commercials & Sony have people in ads faking like the touch sensors in the DualSense have changed their life Xbox Series X can't really counter that.

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Yes because you are the only person to predict PlayStation and Switch would outsell Xbox.

You are not anywhere as smart as you so desperately want for people to believe, despite constantly begging for people's approval.

 

[mckmas8808]

Xbox Series

12/31/2021 : ~11M (FTC Leak)
05/31/2022 : +12M (Mark Stanley)
06/29/2023 : +21M (BIG Festival)
06/30/2025 : < 30M (KeplerL2)

It probably really is at or around 30 million now.

 

[mckmas8808]

Yes because you are the only person to predict PlayStation and Switch would outsell Xbox.

You are not anywhere as smart as you so desperately want for people to believe, despite constantly begging for people's approval.

 

[Tobimacoss]

It probably really is at or around 30 million now.

How many active Xbox One consoles playing Series games via Cloud Gaming? Or Cloud only gamers on fire sticks or TVs. Will all those users just decide that they now want a $6-800 PS6 next gen?

 

[DeepEnigma]

How many active Xbox One consoles playing Series games via Cloud Gaming? Or Cloud only gamers on fire sticks or TVs.

 

[onQ123]

4 Xbox Magnus SKUs? why do you think that?

OEM models from companies like ASUS

 

[onQ123]

Yes because you are the only person to predict PlayStation and Switch would outsell Xbox.

You are not anywhere as smart as you so desperately want for people to believe, despite constantly begging for people's approval.

Still looking for my attention stalker & why do you always mention how smart I am? Thanks for noticing sicko seek help

 

[Tobimacoss]

Expanded to LG, TCL TVs since this chart.

OEM models from companies like ASUS

Yes, but that technically would be same SKU, as Asus wouldn't be allowed to go below the baseline. When referring to SKU, I'm talking about the fixed spec that Devs have to build and optimize for. I think there will be an X and S tier for Magnus.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Expanded to LG, TCL TVs since this chart.

Looks about right,

 

[Tobimacoss]

Looks about right,

Reddit having server issues, check back in an hour, lol.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Honestly I don't see the point in general unless they have actual exclusives. If all the games go everywhere I don't see how they grow their base. At best they keep the current Xbox One\Series users but even that's a long shot. A lot of those people will realize they can get a PS and get all PS games and the Xbox games.

100% I can not see at all how they win any userbase. People aren't stupid. Why would you invest your cash into a platform that's had zero mainstream appeal, priced themselves out of the market, laying off thousands of people, forcing AI slop down our throats. I can understand them selling a few million to us losers who want to keep our purchase catalogue from the Xbox / 360 days alive but why would anyone else bother?

 

[Insanemaelstrom]

Personally Xbox seems have the stench of death. That's the only reason I can think of for the downfall of series X&S. It's like the casual gamer worldwide has decided Xbox is going to die and are hence just ignoring it. The collapse seems baffling to me as honestly this is the closest two consoles( ps5 and series X) have been. The only difference were exclusives and yet it doesn't seem enough to explain the gap.

By all factors, series should have done better than Xbox one consoles. Yet they are 50% down.

Wonder what explanation or analysis ms has for this and if we ever get to see behind the scenes.

 

[saintjules]

I was wondering where Benji went off to. Hasn't posted a video on YT in 2 years..

 

[ExtendEmbraceExtinguish]

Since were discussing Magnus here; possibility of using at0 Magnus chip for a device at 1500 usd?

 

[KeplerL2]

Since were discussing Magnus here; possibility of using at0 Magnus chip for a device at 1500 usd?

 

[ExtendEmbraceExtinguish]

Ty.

 

[subzero83]

One of the best designed systems of all time from a pure hardware perspective IMO. If this is what they came out with, a 2 SKU approach for the XBone era with no Kinect or weird online BS, it would have been huge.

Agreed they really killed the xbox one by having the hardware so inferior to ps4.

 

[mayham2199]

One of the best designed systems of all time from a pure hardware perspective IMO. If this is what they came out with, a 2 SKU approach for the XBone era with no Kinect or weird online BS, it would have been huge.

I unfortunately would have been there day 1 if they would have done that. Thankfully they fucked up and I moved on from their system and discovered that PS is where I should have been all along.

 

[Tobimacoss]

Since were discussing Magnus here; possibility of using at0 Magnus chip for a device at 1500 usd?

AT0 is for Xbox Cloud very likely. 196 CU GPU then split into two instances of 68 CUs or 4 instances of 48 CUs (if there's an S tier console). Each instance paired up with a separate Magnus SOC. It would be a better setup than what even Nvidia GFN uses.
They could probably use the AT0 for a RTX 6090 tier discrete GPU though.

The 96 CU AT1 is the maximum that will go into pre built devices, I could see a $2k Xbox PC with AT1, built by Asus ROG.

AT0, AT1, AT2 will be used for the discrete GPUs correct? I can see them being used for RTX 6070, 6080, 6090 tier cards.

 

[DeltaPolarBear]

Personally Xbox seems have the stench of death. That's the only reason I can think of for the downfall of series X&S. It's like the casual gamer worldwide has decided Xbox is going to die and are hence just ignoring it. The collapse seems baffling to me as honestly this is the closest two consoles( ps5 and series X) have been. The only difference were exclusives and yet it doesn't seem enough to explain the gap.

By all factors, series should have done better than Xbox one consoles. Yet they are 50% down.

Wonder what explanation or analysis ms has for this and if we ever get to see behind the scenes.

Saying 'next year would be our best year!', and saying it every year, only to not deliver, eventually took its toll. Trust has been eroded away and no one believe anything Xbox claims anymore.

They lied too much.

 

[PeteBull]

Saying 'next year would be our best year!', and saying it every year, only to not deliver, eventually took its toll. Trust has been eroded away and no one believe anything Xbox claims anymore.

They lied too much.