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[twilo99]

I had some friends argue this in high school in the early nineties.

I had the same experience in late 90s…

One day tho

 

[Tobimacoss]

Eh....nothing new in that video that was worth the bump really

Windows performed better in everything even on AMD GPUs except for the Strange Brigade game.

 

[Topher]

Windows performed better in everything even on AMD GPUs except for the Strange Brigade game.

Let me introduce you to post number 18 in the thread from back in November.

Here is what you're really looking for:

 

[Minari]

nah im good, switched to mac over a decade ago lol
i guess this only applies to people who want to game on their "pc"

 

[JohnnyFootball]

Eh....nothing new in that video that was worth the bump really

No kidding. it was largely meaningless. Any Linux gaming video that doesn't include Bazzite or CachyOS isn't worth watching.

Plus, its not ALWAYS about benchmarks. It's also about consistency. When I was using Linux, I almost never got shader comp stutter and got far less on titles that were known for it.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

Nvidia performance: "Not as yikes as the internet might have you believe."

I'm glad they mentioned this. Anti-linux people usually quote the "30%" performance drop due to the driver bug with Nvidia instead of giving you hard numbers because it makes the issue look much worse than it actually is. When you look at the numbers, the performance drop is only around a 10 FPS difference. Which hardly makes a game unplayable.

It also 100% depends on the title being played. DX12 games are the ones that suffer the most on Linux with nvidia GPUs due to the way proton and vulkan worth together with nvidia GPUs. Sadly DX12 is a huge part of the games being made and its the biggest reason I have long argued that all developers should just switch to Vulkan. On AMD DX-to-Vulkan translation works VERY well and often has an neglible effect on performance. People confuse translation with emulation. Translation is about providing a new map to direct calls to specific spots in the kernal, but all these games still use the same x86 CPUs. Still removing one layer of translation is never a bad thing.

Vulkan also works 100% well on windows, so switching to Vulkan has little (if any) downside.

 

[Topher]

I had the same experience in late 90s…

One day tho

Anecdotes aside, it wasn't until Steam Deck was released that many became aware that Linux for gaming was an option. I'm not going to claim there is going to be some massive turnover from Windows, but Linux is light years away from where it was when one guy released .01 of the Linux kernel back in 1991. Today, Linux keeps getting better while Windows keeps getting worse. Linux is still not there for mainstream so fans of operating systems controlled by multi-trillion dollar corporations don't have to worry....yet.

 

[Kacho]

It's not over until the fat Aloy lady sings.



@Mister Wolf Kacho

Please continue the war polite discussion after watching the video.

 

[nemiroff]

 

[simpatico]

Linux will never be the future of gaming, because Linux will never be mainstream.

gaming will go where the mainstream is, and as long as Linux isn't officially supported by the likes of CoD and the entirety of EA, it will also be a suboptimal alternative.

Go back to 2008 and you can find posts just like that confidently exhausting how PC gaming was dying out.

 

[RafterXL]

No kidding. it was largely meaningless. Any Linux gaming video that doesn't include Bazzite or CachyOS isn't worth watching.

Plus, its not ALWAYS about benchmarks. It's also about consistency. When I was using Linux, I almost never got shader comp stutter and got far less on titles that were known for it.

Bazzite is screwed, it's led by a Microsoft employee and they care more about DEI than the product.

Go back to 2008 and you can find posts just like that confidently exhausting how PC gaming was dying out.

Go back to the 1990s and you can find posts of people talking about Linux being the future of gaming.

 

[Polaris]

Given that most zoomers and all of Gen Alpha are just as tech illiterate as boomers (maybe even moreso), I highly doubt it.
Have you tried asking them to find a file in a folder?
You want them to use Linux?
And then people wonder why normies either stick to Windows despite its many issues or just straight up use a Mac.

 

[simpatico]

Bazzite is screwed, it's led by a Microsoft employee and they care more about DEI than the product.




Go back to the 1990s and you can find posts of people talking about Linux being the future of gaming.

No one is going back to the Windows man. Even if it means losing COD. At this point it's cultural, and I don't mean gaming culture. Just the corporate exodus.

 

[MidGenRefresh]

No one is going back to the Windows man. Even if it means losing COD. At this point it's cultural, and I don't mean gaming culture. Just the corporate exodus.

Giving Microsoft the middle finger is priceless. I am done with subscription services and useless products. I am buying second hand whenever I can. Calling it corporate exodus is exactly what it is.

 

[Crayon]

Today, Linux keeps getting better while Windows keeps getting worse.

People ask for hard reasons to switch to linux and for me those are very limited. For me it's more things like this and generally how I feel about operating my computers.

 

[twilo99]

Today, Linux keeps getting better while Windows keeps getting worse.

Windows 98 is certainly not better than Windows 11 in any regard, especially gaming, which is the main topic here, so I fail to understand your point.

Are you referring to bugs related to software patches, etc. ? Or is it "copilot"? Non of these things have affected my gaming machine, which has been solid since Windows 10

The improvements in Linux seems bigger because there is a lot to fix...

 

[Andrew Evenstar]

i hope this has already been posted but....

 

[Topher]

Windows 98 is certainly not better than Windows 11 in any regard, especially gaming, which is the main topic here, so I fail to understand your point.

Keyword there was "today"

Are you referring to bugs related to software patches, etc. ? Or is it "copilot"? Non of these things have affected my gaming machine, which has been solid since Windows 10

The improvements in Linux seems bigger because there is a lot to fix...

I'm using Linux and Windows daily and Windows has far more problems than Linux from where I stand. The shitty quality control alone has Windows on a downward trajectory. Microsoft's obsession with integrating Copilot into everything is only the latest dumbass strategy the company has pushed down. On gaming, I tend to agree. There is more work to be done, but that is primarily with drivers. If not for that, I wouldn't have a Windows partition at all.

 

[Topher]

Timing of this tweet...

 

[GHG]

Windows 98 is certainly not better than Windows 11 in any regard, especially gaming, which is the main topic here, so I fail to understand your point.

https://www.techspot.com/news/110817-windows-11-performs-worse-than-older-windows-versions.html

Maybe we should ask him to include 98 in his testing next time?

 

[rodrigolfp]

There is more work to be done, but that is primarily with drivers.

...and native Linux versions and APIs, because Proton/Wine will be forever a lottery for new games and new graphics features.

 

[Topher]

...and native Linux versions and APIs, because Proton/Wine will be forever a lottery for new games and new graphics features.

Perhaps. Major strides have been made, but other factors are why I said "primarily".

 

[Tomorrow]

Linux has come so far but for me it still has a very long way to go. So many of the games I play don't work on it. Also, the overall user experience of Linux is a nightmare. If you're just loading up a web browser, a couple basic programs, and Steam then yeah it'll be perfectly fine but so many times I've found myself wasting time trying to get things working. For example, try undervolting your GPU on Linux. It seems simple when you look it up but I could never get it to work.

Plus, my PC is for more than just gaming. Not all the software I use is available on Linux.

As much as I don't like Microsoft/Windows I'm still going to use it because it's much easier to deal with. That said, I do hope Linux keeps improving but personally I don't see myself moving over to it in the forseeable future.

 

[rodrigolfp]

Linux has come so far but for me it still has a very long way to go. So many of the games I play don't work on it. Also, the overall user experience of Linux is a nightmare. If you're just loading up a web browser, a couple basic programs, and Steam then yeah it'll be perfectly fine but so many times I've found myself wasting time trying to get things working. For example, try undervolting your GPU on Linux. It seems simple when you look it up but I could never get it to work.

Plus, my PC is for more than just gaming. Not all the software I use is available on Linux.

As much as I don't like Microsoft/Windows I'm still going to use it because it's much easier to deal with. That said, I do hope Linux keeps improving but personally I don't see myself moving over to it in the forseeable future.

I still can't find a way that works for me to increase "digital vibrance" permanently like we do in the Nvidia Control panel.

 

[Wolzard]

Linux has come so far but for me it still has a very long way to go. So many of the games I play don't work on it. Also, the overall user experience of Linux is a nightmare. If you're just loading up a web browser, a couple basic programs, and Steam then yeah it'll be perfectly fine but so many times I've found myself wasting time trying to get things working. For example, try undervolting your GPU on Linux. It seems simple when you look it up but I could never get it to work.

Plus, my PC is for more than just gaming. Not all the software I use is available on Linux.

As much as I don't like Microsoft/Windows I'm still going to use it because it's much easier to deal with. That said, I do hope Linux keeps improving but personally I don't see myself moving over to it in the forseeable future.

GitHub - ilya-zlobintsev/LACT: Linux GPU Configuration And Monitoring Tool

Linux GPU Configuration And Monitoring Tool. Contribute to ilya-zlobintsev/LACT development by creating an account on GitHub.

github.com

I still can't find a way that works for me to increase "digital vibrance" permanently like we do in the Nvidia Control panel.

GitHub - Tremeschin/nvibrant: 🟢 Nvidia Digital Vibrance on Wayland

🟢 Nvidia Digital Vibrance on Wayland. Contribute to Tremeschin/nvibrant development by creating an account on GitHub.

github.com

 

[rodrigolfp]

GitHub - ilya-zlobintsev/LACT: Linux GPU Configuration And Monitoring Tool

Linux GPU Configuration And Monitoring Tool. Contribute to ilya-zlobintsev/LACT development by creating an account on GitHub.

github.com

GitHub - Tremeschin/nvibrant: 🟢 Nvidia Digital Vibrance on Wayland

🟢 Nvidia Digital Vibrance on Wayland. Contribute to Tremeschin/nvibrant development by creating an account on GitHub.

github.com

I tried that but so far the auto starting didn't work.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

Bazzite is screwed, it's led by a Microsoft employee and they care more about DEI than the product.




Go back to the 1990s and you can find posts of people talking about Linux being the future of gaming.

Thanks for sharing this. I see CachyOS being the main gaming OS real soon.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

Linux has come so far but for me it still has a very long way to go. So many of the games I play don't work on it. Also, the overall user experience of Linux is a nightmare. If you're just loading up a web browser, a couple basic programs, and Steam then yeah it'll be perfectly fine but so many times I've found myself wasting time trying to get things working. For example, try undervolting your GPU on Linux. It seems simple when you look it up but I could never get it to work.

Plus, my PC is for more than just gaming. Not all the software I use is available on Linux.

As much as I don't like Microsoft/Windows I'm still going to use it because it's much easier to deal with. That said, I do hope Linux keeps improving but personally I don't see myself moving over to it in the forseeable future.

I am 100% gung-ho on Linux taking over.
Having Bazzite in a living room PC what such a godsend experience.

However, for my desktop PC, I have less incentive. Windows 11 IoT LTSC largely works fine enough for a dedicated gaming PC.

Still once nvidia gets their DX12 to VK issues sorted out, I will install CachyOS as a side OS to play around with.

One thing that I do need to mention and I've seen others bring it up here:
undervolting. On my desktop I run a very undervolted 4090 and I intend to keep it that way due to the cable melting issue still being a thing. I'm almost never pushing more than 300W through that cable. In Linux I'd be worried about pushing that too hard.

 

[Drell]

Thanks for sharing this. I see CachyOS being the main gaming OS real soon.

What do any of these Linux distros have that are better for gaming than just Mint with steam installed?

That's a genuine question I have since I'm going to switch from Windows 10 extended support that end in october this year.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

What do any of these Linux distros have that are better for gaming than just Mint with steam installed?

That's a genuine question I have since I'm going to switch from Windows 10 extended support that end in october this year.

I dont know how to answer that, but CachyOS and Bazzite are specifically built for gaming. CachyOS usually gets the best gaming benchmarks.

 

[RCX]

What do any of these Linux distros have that are better for gaming than just Mint with steam installed?

That's a genuine question I have since I'm going to switch from Windows 10 extended support that end in october this year.

In my experience Mint is a very good everyday distro (I'm typing this from 22.3 right now!) but was a real pain to work with for a gaming machine. The kernel is always behind the likes of Cachy and Bazzite and I had some real bother getting nvidia drivers to run and perform properly with it. Granted its been some months since I tried but if you want a generally painless experience out of the box for gaming I'd use Bazzite.

 

[pudel]

What do any of these Linux distros have that are better for gaming than just Mint with steam installed?

That's a genuine question I have since I'm going to switch from Windows 10 extended support that end in october this year.

I am super happy with Mint. I am so happy with it that I still have a hard time to even try out something else. I mean Mint is very slow with updates and stuff, compared to these new shiny distros like Cachy etc....but this can be also an advantage...its rock stable that way.