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[clarky]

They'd have to be physical copies right?
Because you cannot rebuy digital copies without creating a new account each time, AFAIK.

No the digital copies come a code for the card they are not tied together. I've not looked into things recently. I did a bit of research for my own curiosity a couple of years ago because I couldn't figure out why it was a top selling game year on year.

There's a few articles/reddit posts on the subject if you can be arsed googling it.

That was the answer then I don't see why thing would change.

 

[bitbydeath]

No the digital copies come a code for the card they are not tied together. I've not looked into things recently. I did a bit of research for my own curiosity a couple of years ago because I couldn't figure out why it was a top selling game year on year.

There's a few articles/reddit posts on the subject if you can be arsed googling it.

That was the answer then I don't see why thing would change.

There's no rebuy option on PSN.
I think it's just new people looking to experience SP. There's always someone new discovering it as they get older.

 

[Big-G]

Yea no shit sherlock, MP games have dominated the space since online play became more accessible with PSN and Xbox Live. The argument most are making is that TOO MANY developers are trying to chase this market. Thus, oversaturating the market with bland garbage. The reality is that gamers have a finite amount of time to play, and most are going to spend that time playing the few games they truly love on a regular basis.

Basically, there are too many developers all bending over backwards for every gamer's precious time and money. When you have a business model that continuously demands thier attention and money, well...only an elite few will survive and continue to dominate.

 

[clarky]

Nope. If you were born when GTAV released...you are now more or less able to play the game for the first time and who wouldnt experience one of the best games ever made. You forget that every day new "gamers" are born.

However I agree that GTA online does seem to play a big role as well to keep people in the game for a very long time.

If you where born when GTAV released you are still not old enough to play the game. Like i said i looked into it, it sells because of the shark cards, not because billy just turned 18 and has been waiting his whole life to play a 12 year old game.

Also GTAV ain't all that there are much better entries in the franchise.

 

[pudel]

If you where born when GTAV released you are still not old enough to play the game.

Come on, you know what I mean. Lets say you were 5 years old...better? And believe it or not with 13 I played preferably stuff which I wasnt allowed to play.

...and there are millions of "Billy's" turning 18 every day.

 

[Futaleufu]

All my young/teenage relatives play nothing but GaaS and GTA5.

 

[Hari Seldon]

The problem with gaas isn't that they are live service, the problem is that the majority are corporate mandated products with no artistry or creativity behind them. They are soulless products that start with a business model and then attempt to copy an existing genre (maybe with a small twist). They keep trying to dethrone established games in a zero sum game. If you are going to make gaas, either spend truckloads of money like the Chinese, or have actual talent and skill and do something novel that excites people.

Gaas slop #5682 is not exciting when I'm already playing gaas slop #103.

 

[clarky]

Come on, you know what I mean. Lets say you were 5 years old...better? And believe it or not with 13 I played preferably stuff which I wasnt allowed to play.

...and there are millions of "Billy's" turning 18 every day.

I'm not having that kids are growing up dying to play a twevle year old single player game thats not even close to being the best entry in the series. If anything they are buying it for the online.

Like i said a few years ago the main driver was that it was cheaper to buy the full game + shark card than it was to buy the card on its own. I'm not sure if thats still the case.

 

[clarky]

Yeah, you provided it above with the 18M figure in a month.

Fortnite though, they've had nearly 50M in a day.
That should be where GTA is if it was as popular as you're thinking.

Not so. Fortnite has around 700million unique user accounts so the numbers are about right.

 

[Instant_Classic]

The problem with gaas isn't that they are live service, the problem is that the majority are corporate mandated products with no artistry or creativity behind them. They are soulless products that start with a business model and then attempt to copy an existing genre (maybe with a small twist). They keep trying to dethrone established games in a zero sum game. If you are going to make gaas, either spend truckloads of money like the Chinese, or have actual talent and skill and do something novel that excites people.

Gaas slop #5682 is not exciting when I'm already playing gaas slop #103.

Doesn't the premise remain the same for single player games as well?

Unless your game is a standout, it's most likely going to disappear into the void.

 

[TerribleAtThisGame]

Me posting on GAF after playing another 10 hours of Hunt: Showdown over the weekend

 

[Instant_Classic]

All my young/teenage relatives play nothing but GaaS and GTA5.

This literally makes up 99% of the cases for kids born post-2000.

 

[Instant_Classic]

Yea no shit sherlock, MP games have dominated the space since online play became more accessible with PSN and Xbox Live. The argument most are making is that TOO MANY developers are trying to chase this market. Thus, oversaturating the market with bland garbage. The reality is that gamers have a finite amount of time to play, and most are going to spend that time playing the few games they truly love on a regular basis.

Basically, there are too many developers all bending over backwards for every gamer's precious time and money. When you have a business model that continuously demands thier attention and money, well...only an elite few will survive and continue to dominate.

There is zero consumer market where the battle for consumer attention/time, is not the main focus.

Applies to literally anything, video steaming service, etcetera.

What tends to happen is there will be few winners, and the rest will fail.

Keep in mind, single player games are not immune to this.

Most games on Steam for example don't even generate $1000 in profit, lifetime.

 

[Topher]

Doesn't the premise remain the same for single player games as well?

Unless your game is a standout, it's most likely going to disappear into the void.

Single player games are not dependent on servers so there is no reason for them to disappear.

 

[Instant_Classic]

Single player games are not dependent on servers so there is no reason for them to disappear.

They get forgotten about, as people move on to whatever is current.

There's a reason launch period is the most crucial for new single player game releases, that's where most of the profit comes from.

 

[nikos]

Games that continually release new content will obviously have better player retention than games that don't. I definitely prefer them.

 

[Topher]

They get forgotten about, as people move on to whatever is current.

There's a reason launch period is the most crucial for new single player game releases, that's where most of the profit comes from.

Who cares? I paid for the game and I want to be able to play it 30 years later if I want to. I'm not playing games so some corporation can have profits.

 

[LavitzSlambert]

It's more like what started out as initially successful franchises were then made into live service games to avoid having to rebuild an entirely new game in order to make money. Business decisions led to this model, not requests by fans.

 

[bender]

Who cares? I paid for the game and I want to be able to play it 30 years later if I want to. I'm not playing games so some corporation can have profits.

I hope you believe in ghosts or stopped buying games 10-15 years ago.

 

[Big-G]

There is zero consumer market where the battle for consumer attention/time, is not the main focus.

Applies to literally anything, video steaming service, etcetera.

What tends to happen is there will be few winners, and the rest will fail.

Keep in mind, single player games are not immune to this.

Most games on Steam for example don't even generate $1000 in profit, lifetime.

Except you forget one important fact. Live service games are more expensive to operate by maintaining a consistent line of content and paying for servers to stay online. When a single-player game is released, only one point of sale is made, and thier expected return on investment is baked into the expectation of sales numbers. Also, once a single-player game is done, the person moves on to the next one. What if 5 different live service games come out this year that you are interested in? I doubt you have enough time and money to keep invested in all five games, and you will likely only go back to one or two you consistently enjoy. If these are F2P games, they really rely on thier audience to stay invested to keep the live service going.

 

[Nevermore74]

Players that play this shity gayass games will get older and loose interest in multiplayer games. Turning their attention into single player and more relaxed experiences.

 

[KanKamAndNob]

Yes we knew the industry had become a flaming pile of shit catering to the stupidest people with the worst tastes.

According to OP, since a lot of idiots like to consume feces, we should just fall in line at the trough and also stuff our faces with feces. Imagine being so fucking stupid you think popularity=good. Imagine if the industry ONLY made MP horseshit like sportsgun.

 

[geary]

I personally don't give a flying fuck about any of those games on the list.

You should! Those are funding your precious 1st party SP

 

[calico]

Doesn't the premise remain the same for single player games as well?

Biggest difference is the default is for the single player game to be moved on from in comparatively short order, and then the player is demanding another game. This demand can then be met by another game, and so on. The demand for SP games from the SP market is constantly refreshing.

GaaS users have their drug/s of choice, and anyone else trying to enter the market and lure those users away has to overcome a current addiction first. The demand is largely locked up for extended periods.

I suspect the latter will eventually be more heavily regulated, especially GaaS aimed at children.

 

[KanKamAndNob]

Yeah, we know. It's why all the corporations are chasing GaaS.

It's not different from posting a Top Ten music list and saying, "This is why everyone wants to be like these artists [who mostly suck] -- because look at how popular they are, and how much money they make!"

Ok... so? What's the argument? Are you saying that producing GaaS games is a good thing, because it's popular and lucrative (sometimes)? Are you saying we should stop complaining about it and instead applaud it, because it produces "hits" that make lots of money? I'm not sure what the takeaway here is supposed to be.

Yes. Because popularity = good. According to his idiotic viewpoint, McDonald's is the greatest hamburger you'll ever eat in your life and every business should make their hamburgers taste just like Mickey D's because "iT'S PoPuLaR". Avatar is a better movie series than the original Lord of the Rings trilogy because it made more money, Walmart is the best place to shop, and Love Island is the greatest show ever made because, again, "iT's PoPuLaR".

This is exactly the kind of corporate cocksucking attitude that helped lower the quality of games we've been given from Western devs over the past decade of so. Morons blindly accepting whatever trash is placed in front of them because other morons promote it. Going by OP's logic only kickball/throwball yard games and MP based shooters should be allowed to exist because dumb fuck normies are retarded enough to buy $600 consoles just for those games.