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It's already been greenlit for a second season
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Star Trek: Starfleet Academy — Teaser Trailer
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It's already been greenlit for a second season
ooph, we call that "good money after bad" where I'm from
And I see that they have already filmed S2, so no ability to course correct (if they even wanted to).
Dirk Benedict
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No! Really? This is AI, right? Right!?
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Dirk Benedict
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falconhoof
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The show got renewed for a second season back in 2024.
Screw the Epstein files, I think we need people to look into what shenanigans are going on at Paramount.
Screw the Epstein files, I think we need people to look into what shenanigans are going on at Paramount.
Cyberpunkd
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This, there is absolutely no way this is not some sort of massive tax scam or someone is actively trying to sabotage someone or something else with this turd. Even with Hollywood "meritocracy, but we nepo babies" this is too blatant.
Avid Reading Horse
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Can't cancel second season if we film and pay for it before we let anyone see what a piece of shit S1 is.
Ya know Kurtzman is regretting that he didn't film 6 Section 31 movies before they cut that first trailer.
Ya know Kurtzman is regretting that he didn't film 6 Section 31 movies before they cut that first trailer.
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As much as I hate it, it's actually somehow the least-bad of the nu-trek series to watch.
Discovery was next-level retarded with its total pivot from scifi to large-arc fantasy stories about the red angel, the burn, all this nonsense -- plus even more girlboss filled somehow (by a narrow margin) than Starfleet due to the nauseating main cast. And Strange New Worlds is screwing with Spock, Kirk, everyone is horrible ways. Picard (excepting S3, which was "okay" at best) was lowest level writing I've ever seen, just atrocious. Short Treks had some of the worst moments of all (the tribble thing) and Section 31 dedicated film was peak slop, I don't think anyone liked it, even the shils.
Starfleet Academy: equally dumb, but more episodic and light/comedic in tone, so I can just laugh at it like the teen fantasy drama it is. I'm not bored out of my mind in the way I was trying to watch the others, which were so bad that they weren't even bad in an entertaining way. This is bad in a way that I can hate-enjoy while I laugh at the absurd decisions and continuity breaks and everything else.
Discovery was next-level retarded with its total pivot from scifi to large-arc fantasy stories about the red angel, the burn, all this nonsense -- plus even more girlboss filled somehow (by a narrow margin) than Starfleet due to the nauseating main cast. And Strange New Worlds is screwing with Spock, Kirk, everyone is horrible ways. Picard (excepting S3, which was "okay" at best) was lowest level writing I've ever seen, just atrocious. Short Treks had some of the worst moments of all (the tribble thing) and Section 31 dedicated film was peak slop, I don't think anyone liked it, even the shils.
Starfleet Academy: equally dumb, but more episodic and light/comedic in tone, so I can just laugh at it like the teen fantasy drama it is. I'm not bored out of my mind in the way I was trying to watch the others, which were so bad that they weren't even bad in an entertaining way. This is bad in a way that I can hate-enjoy while I laugh at the absurd decisions and continuity breaks and everything else.
IMDB says this is the worst Star Trek ever besides the Section 31 disaster. 4.3 rating.
I would rank them:
Lower decks
huge gap
Strange New Worlds (except for this last season which was awful I thought)
huge gap
Picard 3
Discovery seasons 1 and 2
huge gap
Picard seasons 1 and 2
Discovery last few seasons
then (the ones I couldn't even watch after a while)
Starfleet Academy
Section 31
I would rank them:
Lower decks
huge gap
Strange New Worlds (except for this last season which was awful I thought)
huge gap
Picard 3
Discovery seasons 1 and 2
huge gap
Picard seasons 1 and 2
Discovery last few seasons
then (the ones I couldn't even watch after a while)
Starfleet Academy
Section 31
ResurrectedContrarian
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To be clear, all Nu-Trek (except maybe Picard S3 but even that I don't approve of... it was tolerable and had moments) is horrific. My scale is based on: which is the most fun to mock while I hate-watch it. There's funny-bad, and there's boring-bad. Discovery is so boring-bad that I can't even enjoy the hate.
Warspite
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People must have found a way to line their own pockets with new trek, maybe Kurtzman pays Paramount execs well over the odds to to hire out stages and the execs get the difference. Why else would they extend his contract the first time.
I thinking its like the movie "The Producers" by Mel Brooks here and that's why you didn't get another Terry Matalas Star Trek show, a successful show would somehow show up all the shady accounting that's been going on.
I agree. And if they just had the balls to move past the Mariner/Boimer characters and explore more interesting ones, it could have served as a springboard for all sorts of cool Trek adventures. I feel like they specific marching orders to keep it overly silly and trite to avoid competing with the live action shows and only in the last season were they unleashed to REALLY show what animated Trek can do, much like the OG animated show.
WhiteWaterM00se
Member
This is spot on.
Now, you could add in the older Treks. These all would be WWWWAAAAYYYY down the list.
It is amazing that they can not even come up with something of Voyager quality. Not even mentioning DS9 or Next Generation quality.
MrTroubleMaker
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I continue to hate-watch it, and actually I felt that episode 6 was the least-bad of all of them so far. Still bad and stupid, but more watchably bad than the others. At least it had a little space hostage situation at its root and those aliens didn't look terrible.
The stupidest part is just the constant "every kid is a superhero" nonsense. I'm so tired of seeing each person's secret super power: the main guy can hack anything cartoonishly well, the holographic girl can interface with a computer and see its internals to bring it back to life, the betazoid can telepathically project herself into remote people to even see their surroundings and also use some kind of insane psychic attack when needed, and so on.
And the hyper-emotionalism is still there. Plus the ultra-gay least-klingon-ever Klingon who was only worried about his potential boyfriend during a damn battle, which should be the most engaging time of all for a Klingon. Plus totally illogical storytelling when it comes to some of the main plot details. And that damn comic book.
And wasting Giamatti -- because all they can do is have a typical "he's a white man bad guy" and no complexity to any villain beyond that. How I long for complex characters like Garak or Quark. Oh also, it shouldn't be 1 hour for this story -- the old shows were only about 45 mins after commercials, and this episode's plot did not justify a full hour. Not even close.
Dumb. But still nowhere near as dumb or bad as Picard S1/S2, nor as bad as Discovery.
The stupidest part is just the constant "every kid is a superhero" nonsense. I'm so tired of seeing each person's secret super power: the main guy can hack anything cartoonishly well, the holographic girl can interface with a computer and see its internals to bring it back to life, the betazoid can telepathically project herself into remote people to even see their surroundings and also use some kind of insane psychic attack when needed, and so on.
And the hyper-emotionalism is still there. Plus the ultra-gay least-klingon-ever Klingon who was only worried about his potential boyfriend during a damn battle, which should be the most engaging time of all for a Klingon. Plus totally illogical storytelling when it comes to some of the main plot details. And that damn comic book.
And wasting Giamatti -- because all they can do is have a typical "he's a white man bad guy" and no complexity to any villain beyond that. How I long for complex characters like Garak or Quark. Oh also, it shouldn't be 1 hour for this story -- the old shows were only about 45 mins after commercials, and this episode's plot did not justify a full hour. Not even close.
Dumb. But still nowhere near as dumb or bad as Picard S1/S2, nor as bad as Discovery.
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Avid Reading Horse
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Answering the important question of yeah sure Vulcan ears are pointy but what else?All this Star Trek talk got me watching Enterprise again. Great show with something for everyone.
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Cyberpunkd
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All this Star Trek talk got me watching Enterprise again. Great show with something for everyone.
MrTroubleMaker
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The Klingon is still wearing the dress
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The Klingon is still wearing the dress
Goddamn that thing makes me so mad.
The Trek skant on men was ALWAYS a terrible idea, and this skirt thing is just as bad. Male anatomical design looks ATROCIOUS in such a garb and really, even shapely women are not great in it.
They could have gone with the long formal jacket over trousers
or even an appropriate length kilt with the appropriate accessories to make it look more masculine
but damn they wanted that guy to look as gay as possible.
Stitch
Member
The Trek skant on men was ALWAYS a terrible idea, and this skirt thing is just as bad. Male anatomical design looks ATROCIOUS in such a garb and really, even shapely women are not great in it.
Meicyn
Member
This design could have been massively improved with one simple change: a belt around the waist. US Marine dress uniforms look sharp as hell, and the belt is the key element that makes the whole thing work.
Tajaz2426
Psychology PhD from Wikipedia University
That poor fucker at the top is just in a gaddamn dress.Goddamn that thing makes me so mad.
The Trek skant on men was ALWAYS a terrible idea, and this skirt thing is just as bad. Male anatomical design looks ATROCIOUS in such a garb and really, even shapely women are not great in it.
They could have gone with the long formal jacket over trousers
or even an appropriate length kilt with the appropriate accessories to make it look more masculine
but damn they wanted that guy to look as gay as possible.
I'll also say I didn't watch Trek or Star Wars growing up,but the Dress uniform was pretty tight in Next Generation. Gives our Dress Blues in the Corps a run for the money. As an adult I watched Enterprise and loved it and then watched Next Generation. Pretty awesome shows.
Tajaz2426
Psychology PhD from Wikipedia University
The belt does set it off. As you become an NCO and then Staff your belt buckle changes to the EGA and then a wreath under it for Staff.
The boat cloak and swagger stick look pretty tight, as well.
Agreed. Martial elements add masculinity (as we understand it now).
Clearly there was some serious puffery back in the day with shit like this
but even then, in 'real life' they don't look too bad versus a painting
but of course you would need an actor who is masculine, which the jay-den one most certainly is not.
Saber
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Agreed. Martial elements add masculinity (as we understand it now).
Clearly there was some serious puffery back in the day with shit like this
but even then, in 'real life' they don't look too bad versus a painting
but of course you would need an actor who is masculine, which the jay-den one most certainly is not.
And lets be honest that character was clearly intentional to not be masculine at all, skirt included. No amount of "hey we had this in past" will ever come to justify this thing.
For sure, defenders will just use the "but but the skant!" to dismiss criticisms of a terrible character
CastorSoze
Member
And once again showing he wasn't a standard Klingon, he hesitated a lot before following 2 people dragging his friend away.
rorepmE
Member
The Klingon is still wearing the dress
Gonna call it now. There's gonna be an episode about Klingon homophobia.
WhiteWaterM00se
Member
God damn, why is all the new trek so bad. Paramount is complained about their own content and needed to acquire new content ala WB.
Why the hell, can they not fix the legacy IP they already have.
Why the hell, can they not fix the legacy IP they already have.
The only thing that makes sense is that 'legacy' Star Trek is such a cash cow in syndication that they can afford to waste $$$ on nu-trek just to act as a ESG counterpoint to all their other content. So nu-Trek is kinda like a carbon emission credit sinkhole against all their traditional coal burning plants.
AJUMP23
Parody of actual AJUMP23
the writers and producers care more about the lecture and their activism than a good story. It use to be story first and work in your politics maybe, now it is Activism first and make the story fit your lecture.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Oh we are back! We are so back!
Hard to watch those AI snippets but good on him for burning a few Kw hours for good.
I started rewatching The Expanse on amazon and DAMN is that a good show. Steady camera work, no lens flare, real sets. The exterior CG is a bit too zippy in that BSG style but it still works. Show was supposedly 4-6mill per ep back in the 2010's, so I have NO IDEA why current shows cost 20-30 mill, it's all so gratuitous and unnecessary.
StreetsofBeige
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Show sounds hilariously bad. Gay Klingon dude in a skirt. LOL
Supposedly, Kurtzman hired staff who dont have experience with the older ST shows. lol
Supposedly, Kurtzman hired staff who dont have experience with the older ST shows. lol
I think he hired staff with no experience in ANYTHING.
Though I suppose the production crew knows their stuff, they just get notes that say "lens flare, lens flare, camera shake, camera shake!", shrug, and cash them checks.
StreetsofBeige
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I only read and heard streamers say how bad it is and images of the gay Klingon dude in womens clothes. So I checked YT for a clip and found this instead (my quick shitty search skills couldnt find a clip of him in a dress). I wanted to see first hand the silliness of a tough and rumble Klingon.
LOLOLOL!
Mengy
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I just watched this whole AI fan fic episode. It's janky as hell, pretty poor AI work honestly, but still very interesting to watch.
This does demonstrate the coming future though. As AI gets better we'll start seeing some very competent and convincing fan fiction stuff like this. I think someone could make a better ep today with Wan2.2, ComfyUI, and a lot of time and effort. Honestly that might be the future of good Star Trek. Since Paramount doesn't want to make good Star Trek, maybe its up to the fans to do it instead?
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StreetsofBeige
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Give it time.I just watched this whole AI fan fic episode. It's janky as hell, pretty poor AI work honestly, but still very interesting to watch.
This does demonstrate the coming future though. As AI gets better we'll start seeing some very competent and convincing fan fiction stuff like this. I think someone could make a better ep today with Wan2.2, ComfyUI, and a lot of time and effort. Honestly that might be the future of good Star Trek. Since Paramount doesn't want to make good Star Trek, maybe its up to the fans to do it instead?
People will gravitate more and more to AI stuff. Right now, it's still in it's infancy with short clips. But just like streamers being big just being normies talking about various topics, which people enjoy over pro paid journos and TV shows, AI stuff will do fine.
Just need more time in the oven. I see it similar to people enjoying TV shows and movies that arent AAA. Not every piece of media (games included) have to be top notch in production values. It can be b-tier acting or production values with some shitty effects and jankiness. But as long as it's good enough, I think people will embrace it.
AI content (similar to streamers) have a giant advantage over traditional media and games. Once the avg guy can figure out how to do it, there will be shit ton of free content no corporation with a payroll can compete. Many will shut down and leave only the biggest ones surviving.
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ChuckeRearmed
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Star Trek has entered its Acolyte arc. It is over.
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I am 100% confident that fully consistent, well shot, real feeling episodes of The Next Generation (or any other beloved franchise) will be created freely by fans within 5 years.I just watched this whole AI fan fic episode. It's janky as hell, pretty poor AI work honestly, but still very interesting to watch.
This does demonstrate the coming future though. As AI gets better we'll start seeing some very competent and convincing fan fiction stuff like this. I think someone could make a better ep today with Wan2.2, ComfyUI, and a lot of time and effort. Honestly that might be the future of good Star Trek. Since Paramount doesn't want to make good Star Trek, maybe its up to the fans to do it instead?
Everything will change. And I guarantee it will be possible, and as high of quality as the writing / creator wants, if they put time into it. Imagine just taking time to adapt existing great TNG novels into multi part episodes...
The absolute cultural destruction by the people in major media corporations is why so many of us like myself now fully support scorched earth destruction by AI. They brought this on themselves. I hope all major holders of IP like Disney are absolutely destroyed financially in a few years, down to their core.
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Trilobit
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From funny pic thread:
But honestly it only makes sad. It's 100% accurate of nu-Trek.
But honestly it only makes sad. It's 100% accurate of nu-Trek.
CastorSoze
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Would dread to think what it would do with that image of T'Pol.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
The IP audience hates our product, no new audience is forthcoming, so please don't end the IP!
Gonna fall on deaf ears, I think, cause folks interested in feminist perspectives and tween romance are not trekkies, at least not at the numbers needed. But I wonder if there is a large audience interested in sci-fi concepts, exploration, competent crews, male friendship under pressure, action, and philosophical discussion without pandering or heavy handed messaging. Hmmmmmmm
Gonna fall on deaf ears, I think, cause folks interested in feminist perspectives and tween romance are not trekkies, at least not at the numbers needed. But I wonder if there is a large audience interested in sci-fi concepts, exploration, competent crews, male friendship under pressure, action, and philosophical discussion without pandering or heavy handed messaging. Hmmmmmmm