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[sncvsrtoip]

Does that really have that much of an impact? In real world terms I mean.

Hope so otherwise Magnus will be even more bandwidth limited than ps6.

 

[DeepEnigma]

I like the ones which go "I've been a PC gamer for years..." too. Fun stories to read

 

[adamsapple]

 

[Bojji]

I like the ones which go "I've been a PC gamer for years..." too. Fun stories to read



Does that really have that much of an impact? In real world terms I mean.

L2 will help in BW intensive scenarios.

Ada added a lot of L2 cache to compensate lower memory bandwidth vs. Ampere. 4080 has less memory BW than 3080ti (716GB/s vs. 912GB/s) but still outperforms it in every scenario. 3080ti has 6MB of L2 cache vs. 64MB on 4080.

 

[Darsxx82]

So are all the misgivings about MLiD being a source of information pretty much gone now? Asking because it wasn't that long ago that people scoffed quite a bit whenever he was referenced.

Not that I'm saying it should be one way or another.

Wasn't MLID's problem his inability to interpret leaked information or even to know which product it referred to? Or how would that data and those figures translate into real-world gaming results compared to other hardware actually on the market?

I think all the doubts about him in this regard remain, but in this case, it's the original leaked information he's been providing for a year, which he himself has been adjusting (his interpretation, which product it refers to, its impact on games, vs other products from the manufacturer, etc.) based on the data, interpretation, and more concrete information from other, more credible leakers (Kepler) and AMD oficial info.

In other words, a year ago we had the same figures, but he was telling us it was for the PS6, an incredible and original feat of engineering by M. Cerny, capable of competing in every aspect with an Nvidia 5090 GPU, at €600-$700, and so on and so forth. Now we have the original leaked figures, the product he's referring to... but interpreted and adjusted in a more logical and sensible way after going through tons of filters.

 

[nial]

Naw you are right, Sony is exempt from scrutiny and criticism because they aren't Microsoft. My bad.

Has Sony gone full $650 Xbox Series X retard? No? Okay.

 

[Topher]

Wasn't MLID's problem his inability to interpret leaked information or even to know which product it referred to? Or how would that data and those figures translate into real-world gaming results compared to other hardware on the actually on the market?

I think all the doubts about him in this regard remain, but in this case, it's the original leaked information he's been providing for a year, which he himself has been adjusting (his interpretation, which product it refers to, its impact on games, vs other products from the manufacturer, etc.) based on the data, interpretation, and more concrete information from other, more credible leakers (Kepler) and AMD oficial info.

In other words, a year ago we had the same figures, but he was telling us it was for the PS6, an incredible and original feat of engineering by M. Cerny, capable of competing in every aspect with an Nvidia 5090 GPU, at €600-$700, and so on and so forth. Now we have the original leaked figures, the product he's referring to... but interpreted and adjusted in a more logical and sensible way after going through tons of filters.

Frankly, I'm entirely dependent on others to tell me if that guy is legit or full of shit. I don't have time to get into the weeds with this stuff and so I just try to pick out the high level details. But it seems like, for the most part, the attitudes about him and his leaks have changed quite a bit and that may be due to what you are talking about, which I think is completely fair. Don't think a guy should be branded for life for stuff he may have gotten wrong (or misinterpreted) in the past so glad he has improved his reputation.

 

[Hyper_hyper]

They are both using 32gbps GDDR7 modules.

Yes, what is the clock of module? Range can be from 672 - 864 GBs on 192 bit bus.

 

[Hyper_hyper]

And what customization you are talking about? PS5 is pretty much bare RDNA1+RT. PS5 looks like the least custom Sony console, compared to PS4 that got improved GPGPU stuff, PS4 Pro that got some things downported from Vega or PS5 Pro with custom ML part.

After all these years... still that shit, huh? You tried so hard to convince people to jump on Xbox. Looks like that bullshit FUD didn't helped to push Xbox sales. :/ Get over it.

 

[Shogmaster]

Yes, what is the clock of module? Range can be from 672 - 864 GBs on 192 bit bus.

You max that shit out son! You spent the die space to get 192 bit bus, you ain't on batteries, why you half assin' on clocks!

 

[Hyper_hyper]

You max that shit out son! You spent the die space to get 192 bit bus, you ain't on batteries, why you half assin' on clocks!

Just saying, that's the bandwidth range.

 

[Shogmaster]

Just saying, that's the bandwidth range.

Let's keeo bandwidth range worry on hsndhelds lol

 

[MCH2024]

That's not a whole lot in perspective when the XSX is on paper 30% more than PS5 now.

This point gets regurgitated a lot.

On Paper Series X is not faster than PS5. No.

You're looking at the GPU Compute only. Yes Series X is 18% faster there. But it has a 22% slower GPU front end.

On net it's a wash. With Series X running some games st marginally higher detail or resolution and losing to PS5 in FPS by 10%+ in others.

Magnus on the other hand is just better than PS6 at everything. It's basically a PS6 Pro.

 

[Bojji]

After all these years... still that shit, huh? You tried so hard to convince people to jump on Xbox. Looks like that bullshit FUD didn't helped to push Xbox sales. :/ Get over it.

It didn't help with Xbox sales but it also wasn't bullshit (1, 2).

This point gets regurgitated a lot.

On Paper Series X is not faster than PS5. No.

You're looking at the GPU Compute only. Yes Series X is 18% faster there. But it has a 22% slower GPU front end.

On net it's a wash. With Series X running some games st marginally higher detail or resolution and losing to PS5 in FPS by 10%+ in others.

Magnus on the other hand is just better than PS6 at everything. It's basically a PS6 Pro.

True.

 

[Kazekage1981]

If Sony and MSFT want to tap into the mobile market, why are they missing the biggest piece of MOBILE CONNECTIVITY:

-5G/6G MODEM (In addition to latest WiFi)
-ARM ARCHITECTURE

They could do that by perhaps utilizing and incorporating:
-AMD soundwave architecture
-SDK along with AI that converts native x86 to native ARM (not no bullshit emulation layer)
-Utilizing Qualcomm 5G modems or investing in their own custom 5G modems (similar to Apple custom 5G modem)

 

[Darsxx82]

Frankly, I'm entirely dependent on others to tell me if that guy is legit or full of shit. I don't have time to get into the weeds with this stuff and so I just try to pick out the high level details. But it seems like, for the most part, the attitudes about him and his leaks have changed quite a bit and that may be due to what you are talking about, which I think is completely fair. Don't think a guy should be branded for life for stuff he may have gotten wrong (or misinterpreted) in the past so glad he has improved his reputation.

For me, MLID has always been and continues to be:

"Keep an eye on and carefully follow the figures and hardware data that are leaked to him because there is a high probability that these are real and genuine... But, initially, take everything else (the product it belongs to, interpretation of those figures, performance expectations, prices, etc.) with a big grain of salt until it is adjusted and passes enough filters so that we know in a better position how to evaluate".

 

[Shogmaster]

If Sony and MSFT want to tap into the mobile market, why are they missing the biggest piece of MOBILE CONNECTIVITY:

-5G/6G MODEM (In addition to latest WiFi)
-ARM ARCHITECTURE

They could do that by perhaps utilizing and incorporating:
-AMD soundwave architecture
-SDK along with AI that converts native x86 to native ARM (not no bullshit emulation layer)
-Utilizing Qualcomm 5G modems or investing in their own custom 5G modems (similar to Apple custom 5G modem)

MS tried to get AMD to make that ARM SoC for handheld and they wanted like 100M sales guarantee so MS killed it.

Kinda pointless these days anyways, with cutting edge nodes getting x64 close enough to battery life of v9 giganto ARM SoC.

If Steam Deck was a bust, you might have a point...

 

[Hyper_hyper]

It didn't help with Xbox sales but it also wasn't bullshit (1, 2).

But ignoring what Mark Cerny said that PS5 is custom RDNA 2 based GPU, huh? Why is that?? And also key words in your post from other thread is "was" and "may".

 

[demigod]

Timdog? Really thats your example?

Show me 5 million Timdogs that went to game exchange and traded their entire inventory of physical xbox games for Playstation games with no way to play anything but Playstation now and maybe id kinda sorta halfway believe you.

Both Playstation and Xbox are several generations deep now, if you really think 10s of millions of Xbox fans have totally jumped ship to play this generation's safe swamp of remade Playstation 1st party titles and timed 3rd party exclusives i'd say you are crazy.

The problem probably isn't retaining existing customers as much as it is obtaining new ones out of thin air. Sony is doing a hell of a lot better job of that but I wouldn't say Microsoft are going backwards.

Where in my post did i say Playstation? Small brain as usual.

 

[demigod]

So you admit it's a console.

*demigod did not like that*

I like the doa though

 

[Bojji]

But ignoring what Mark Cerny said that PS5 is custom RDNA 2 based GPU, huh? Why is that??

Mark Cerny could have said he is a wizard from outer space - that wouldn't make it true.

PS5 has zero RDNA2 features outside of RT cores. This is similar to HDMI 2.1, producers can slap "HDMI 2.1" brand on the box when in reality tv supports none of the features (and HDMI 2.0 speeds).

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Frankly, I'm entirely dependent on others to tell me if that guy is legit or full of shit. I don't have time to get into the weeds with this stuff and so I just try to pick out the high level details. But it seems like, for the most part, the attitudes about him and his leaks have changed quite a bit and that may be due to what you are talking about, which I think is completely fair. Don't think a guy should be branded for life for stuff he may have gotten wrong (or misinterpreted) in the past so glad he has improved his reputation.

He was mostly full of shit but he hit gold leaking PSSR

 

[Hyper_hyper]

Mark Cerny could have said he is a wizard from outer space - that wouldn't make it true.

True is PS5 GPU is RDNA 2 custom based one in final form . As Kepler said "original design WAS RDNA 1

It is well known, devs are getting dev kits in very early stages of develpoment for a new hardware ( if devs are already are developing games for PS6, surely it is not on RDNA 5 GPUs or Zen 6 CPU , it is on maybe RDNA 3 still or even Zen 4 CPUs) . And they are updated in hardware numerous times. TARGETS for those systems are shared very very early, because developers need to know what to aim for.

 

[Topher]

He was mostly full of shit but he hit gold leaking PSSR

Sure, but much of what is being discussed now about next gen is based on his info and I don't see a lot of push back on that.

 

[Bojji]

True is PS5 GPU is RDNA 2 custom based one in final form . As Kepler said "original design WAS RDNA 1

It is well known, devs are getting dev kits in very early stages of develpoment for a new hardware. And they are updated in hardware numerous times. TARGETS for those systems are shared very very early, because developers need to know what to aim for.

Only thing that is from RDNA2 are RT cores (and they also are prototype version). If that makes it "custom RDNA2" so be it... it's missing all the other stuff that changed between RDNA1 and 2 (including ability to run int8 decently).

Sure, but much of what is being discussed now about next gen is based on his info and I don't see a lot of push back on that.

Yeah, if he was very wrong about something I guess we would see some corrections from other leakers.

 

[Hyper_hyper]

Only thing that is from RDNA2 are RT cores (and they also are prototype version). If that makes it "custom RDNA2" so be it... it's missing all the other stuff that changed between RDNA1 and 2 (including ability to run int8 decently).

Wrong. This is what happens when you are still delusional Xbot after all these years and still stucked at PS5 is RDNA1. For example : Primitive Shaders and Geometry engine are primarily based on RDNA 2, it does exist for RDNA1, but custom implementation for higher geometry output and efficiency is only available on RDNA 2.

Keep claiming that PS5 is RDNA 1, It just adds to the weight that the PS5 is a much much more efficient console than the superior one like "fully based" RDNA2 powered XSX. :/

 

[adamsapple]

Sure, but much of what is being discussed now about next gen is based on his info and I don't see a lot of push back on that.

Kepler hasn't really denied any of the things directly so I guess there's some overlap in the things they know.

 

[Bojji]

Wrong. This is what happens when you are still delusional Xbot after all these years and still stucked at PS5 is RDNA1. For example : Primitive Shaders and Geometry engine are primarily based on RDNA 2, it does exist for RDNA1, but custom implementation for higher geometry output and efficiency is only available on RDNA 2.

Primitive shaders are older than RDNA1 (Vega), GE is part of them. RDNA2 still uses PS but is compatible with Nvidia/MS standard of it (mesh shaders).

You have no idea what you are talking about, and that "xbot" - that's golden lol.

 

[memoryman3]

Stuttering. Average FPS is perfectly fine. windows is just a slop vibecoded OS.

Stutter from RAM being moved from system memory to video memory is a problem caused by modular PC builds. This is observed even in Linux. In the future, vendors may have to move away from this model if PC wants to compete with Mac and PlayStation. But for now, Magnus should be built to accomodate this issue. Is 18GB for both video and system memory enough?

 

[Topher]

Kepler hasn't really denied any of the things directly so I guess there's some overlap in the things they know.

Yeah, that's my thinking as well

 

[Shogmaster]

Stutter from RAM being moved from system memory to video memory is a problem caused by modular PC builds. This is observed even in Linux. In the future, vendors may have to move away from this model if PC wants to compete with Mac and PlayStation. But for now, Magnus should be built to accomodate this issue. Is 18GB for both video and system memory enough?

Not to mention XBox Series and older XBox OS was based on Windows kernel anyways.

 

[demigod]

I like the ones which go "I've been a PC gamer for years..." too. Fun stories to read

Those green rats crack me up.

 

[Hyper_hyper]

Primitive shaders are older than RDNA1 (Vega), GE is part of them. RDNA2 still uses PS but is compatible with Nvidia/MS standard of it (mesh shaders).

You don't know what are you talking about, i've mentioned "For example : Primitive Shaders and Geometry engine are primarily based on RDNA 2, it does exist for RDNA1, but custom implementation for higher geometry output and efficiency is only available on RDNA 2.

Bolded part doesn't exist on Vega or RDNA 1.

Keep claiming that PS5 is RDNA 1, It just adds to the weight that the PS5 is a much much more efficient console than the superior one like "fully based" RDNA2 powered XSX. :/

You have no idea what you are talking about, and that "xbot" - that's golden lol.

It is not golden, it is a reality. Sadly

 

[Miyazaki’s Slave]

If the steam machine is over $1000 in 2026 (if it ships) this should fall between $1699 and $1999 for the first party iteration at the end of 2027/Q2 of 2028

 

[hardwood007]

So is this Next Xbox with Magnus gonna be able to run Steam? It will be an open box?

In that case, can I just use it like how I use my current PC? E.g. boot into windows etc.
if that's the case, not such a bad idea, if the current component shortages and ridiculous pricing continues into 2028 or beyond.

I am thinking of maybe getting one if the situation with pc components continue to be dire when I am due for an upgrade in 27/28. Will use it as a pc, play my steam games.

 

[ReasonBeing]

H Hyper_hyper bringing that 2020 energy

 

[adamsapple]

H Hyper_hyper bringing that 2020 energy

Switch to dark mode broo

 

[Topher]

H Hyper_hyper bringing that 2020 energy

 

[Shogmaster]

If the steam machine is over $1000 in 2026 (if it ships) this should fall between $1699 and $1999 for the first party iteration at the end of 2027/Q2 of 2028

7540U and 7600M plus separate RAM pools plus complex mobo accommodating all that plus Magnus die size being about the same as 7540U and 7600M dies added together all adds up to costs for both being not that far apart.

Imma guess less than $300 gap.

 

[Bojji]

You don't know what are you talking about, i've mentioned "For example : Primitive Shaders and Geometry engine are primarily based on RDNA 2, it does exist for RDNA1, but custom implementation for higher geometry output and efficiency is only available on RDNA 2.

Bolded part doesn't exist on Vega or RDNA 1.

Keep claiming that PS5 is RDNA 1, It just adds to the weight that the PS5 is a much much more efficient console than the superior one like "fully based" RDNA2 powered XSX. :/


It is not golden, it is a reality. Sadly

Primitive shaders are pretty much the same between RDNA1 and 2. In PC space RDNA1 just lacks Api support, something that Sony did with PS5.

So how much more efficient PS5 really is? Reality is that there are games that perform better on PS5, games that perform better on Xbox and games that are more or less the same. Both consoles use similar level of power so this "efficiency" talk is not exactly true (Xbox can even use less power). PS5 is cheaper to produce on the other hand (smaller die but require more efficient cooling thanks to that and higher clocks).

In a game that actually uses primitve and mesh shaders (Alan Wake 2) Xbox certainly doesn't underperform:

And you can think I'm being some Xbox fanboy... but it's hard to be a fanboy of something that you don't even own.

 

[nial]

He was mostly full of shit but he hit gold leaking PSSR

And the PS5 Power Saving mode.
AND he was the first person to ever mention the existence of a PlayStation handheld back in... February 2024. He accurately said that it was a PS6 family system and that it was targeting a 2027 launch.

 

[Shogmaster]

So is this Next Xbox with Magnus gonna be able to run Steam? It will be an open box?

In that case, can I just use it like how I use my current PC? E.g. boot into windows etc.
if that's the case, not such a bad idea, if the current component shortages and ridiculous pricing continues into 2028 or beyond.

I am thinking of maybe getting one if the situation with pc components continue to be dire when I am due for an upgrade in 27/28. Will use it as a pc, play my steam games.

Si. Si si si si si....

Its Windows running on semi custom SoC that uses later version of XBox full screen thingy running on XB Ally X now, that will do full BC with Series, One, and select 360 and OG Cbox games.

 

[welshrat]

This point gets regurgitated a lot.

On Paper Series X is not faster than PS5. No.

You're looking at the GPU Compute only. Yes Series X is 18% faster there. But it has a 22% slower GPU front end.

On net it's a wash. With Series X running some games st marginally higher detail or resolution and losing to PS5 in FPS by 10%+ in others.

Magnus on the other hand is just better than PS6 at everything. It's basically a PS6 Pro.

Agreed on paper it is, lets see how it shake out though. All paper specs at this moment.

 

[hardwood007]

Si. Si si si si si....

Its Windows running on semi custom SoC that uses later version of XBox full screen thingy running on XB Ally X now, that will do full BC with Series, One, and select 360 and OG Cbox games.

Yeah that's what u am thinking. Haven't been following up too closely with the news, but seeing some headlines and discussions through the past 1-2 years.

So it seems to me to be essentially a pc, with the ability to run next gen games and xbox backwards compatibility? That's actually an interesting proposition.

 

[splattered]

If you think I've only had negative things to say about Microsoft (and more specifically their strategy/decisions when it comes to their gaming business) since the Activision acquisition then you might want to go quote a bit further back. I've been a lifetime "hater" baby.

But hey, maybe if them and their fans were capable of taking negative feedback on board then they wouldn't be in their current predicament whereby there will be no next gen console and instead they're having to resort to selling a $1500+ PC.

I'm not sure what you rattling on about Sony has to do with anything in this thread considering at this stage we have no idea what they are or aren't going to do regarding their next gen plans, along with the fact that this thread's subject matter is about what Microsoft are doing. It's a very strange way to deflect and justify what you're going to be forced to purchase in order to keep up this crusade.

Oh so you're a "lifetime hater" I see, so your sole reason to be in any Microsoft thread is to shit on it. Got it. I guess its worse than I thought, thats some severe level of insecure spiteful derangement right there. I thought maybe you were just a general Sony fan who didnt want to see the acquisition go through, but you've been loudly drive by shitposting nearly every ms related thread since then so I guess it all makes sense now lmao.

No one is forced to buy anything "to keep up the crusade" there are tens of millions of people that legitimately enjoy the console and its games even if you dont want them to.

Game on, warrior. <3

 

[ReasonBeing]

I did not fully think through the ramifications of posting the full view of my browser window. I've made some lifestyle changes, so there isn't a risk of having something up there that would embarrass me, but I still reflexively panicked when I saw your post.

demigod triggered emoji? You or me?

 

[Topher]

I did not fully think through the ramifications of posting the full view of my browser window. I've made some lifestyle changes, so there isn't a risk of having something up there that would embarrass me, but I still reflexively panicked when I saw your post.

lol....I've been there. That's why I default my screenshots to a selection window option so I have to drag a border around the area I want to select.

 

[Tobimacoss]

This is a question for those who keep calling it a PC that wouldn't run nextgen Console SKUs. If it's a PC, what's stopping MS and OEMs from releasing cheaper options? Like at $400, $600, $800 price points.

 

[MCH2024]

This is a question for those who keep calling it a PC that wouldn't run nextgen Console SKUs. If it's a PC, what's stopping MS and OEMs from releasing cheaper options? Like at $400, $600, $800 price points.

The chip they have is massive. And more importantly, AMD takes a small margin only on semi-custom silicon with volume guarantees and co-engineering.

That strix point APU on Ally X costs Asus a whopping 298$ to procure. LMAO.

16GB DDR5 is now 250$, so that doesn't help either lol.

 

[welshrat]

I guess reality is though that its stuck a little between a rock and hard place, you can build an even more powerful itx based machine for your living room and I am not sure they will do any better than an alienware product.