HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
That dream died long ago
I just know even as of couple of years ago Phil wanted to launch with the 25th anniversary but who knows when that changed
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I just know even as of couple of years ago Phil wanted to launch with the 25th anniversary but who knows when that changed
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
To go back to the GDK slide. Some posts on purple hell-hole pointed out that it really just implies that the GDK no longer will have custom extensions for whatever Microsoft is calling "next-gen-console."
It does not prove that the next-gen-console is really just running Windows games, it just means there's nothing special in the GDK for targeting those consoles.
Basically there's no Xbox console version of DirectX APIs anymore moving forward.
Is that because the games are just compiling to Windows? That part isn't certain.
It does not prove that the next-gen-console is really just running Windows games, it just means there's nothing special in the GDK for targeting those consoles.
Basically there's no Xbox console version of DirectX APIs anymore moving forward.
Is that because the games are just compiling to Windows? That part isn't certain.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Holiday '27 and that is in fact pure speculation
demigod
Member
No way is ms releasing late 2028. They only release during holidays so it'll be 2027.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
If Alpha devs or hardware or w/e someone wants to call it will start shipping early 2027, let's see if that puts enough time for formatted/optimized games to start coming out by year's end.
Stafford
Member
Would a early 2028 release be plausible if that doesn't happen, or way more likely end of 2028?
mayham2199
Member
Gives them less than a year to go from Alpha, beta, full release. That's going to be tough but I guess it's possible.
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That was always my prediction here, and I mentioned it several times based on some of the mentions and descriptions from Microsoft and Xbox, and licensing issues or limitations to functioning as a "console"
Today's announcement turned out to be what I expected: a general overview of their intentions and future foundations, but many points remain unknown. The Helix part is also full of unknowns or unclear details.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
With MS nothing would surprise me but I think they would love to stick around the holiday and just me personally I think we see the PS6 in 2028 and MS does not want to launch close to them
Also a lot of speculating here on my part
Stafford
Member
Yeah. I see. Hmm.
Also. Didn't Series devkits release in the same year as it's official release? So holiday 2027 isn't out of the question yet. The Verge saying it won't be soon can mean anything, late next year from this point isn't exactly soon either.
But we'll just have to wait and see.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Dev kits go through several revisions, yes. Usually Alpha 1 and Alpha 2.
Both Xbox and PS6 are still in track for Holiday 2027
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Interesting.
I thought for sure this time there might be a gap between them but it sounds like they're both gonna release weeks, if not days, apart again.
mayham2199
Member
This is great to hear. I don't need a PS6 but I will buy one.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Project Diamond VS Project Amethyst
AMD are making the smart play by partnering with both MS and Sony for continued development funding.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Great flex on your money, but you must have a RAM lighter workload than many or do not take any gander at your swap file growth over time. Even with 36 GB and compressed memory (part of macOS) swap file goes high and quickly.Lol…. I use two apollo X8s as audio interfaces and my Adam SV5s monitor speakers could buy a decent used car. I wouldn't need to lie about something as small as RAM bruh
this parttulcar PC is an X299/I9Xbuild I put together back in 2020. Swapped out the GPU back in 2023, but aside from that it runs as good as the day I built even with more modern software. I use it for work. The more plug ins I use, the more audio files recorded at 92khz,the more channels I use ultimately means the more RAM I have to use.
If I was just using my PC for games I would be fine with 16-32GB.
"never seen it use more than even 20" —> just in case we go back to "bro, I have 128"…
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Stafford
Member
Holy shit. Well that would genuinely surprise me if that happens. I really thought Sony would be holiday 2028 or even later after those rumors recently.
Gonna be interesting to see what the price differences would be and if I as a Xbox player can still justify it for myself to pay significantly more. Will depend on differences of specs too. For me.
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Project Diamond VS Project Amethyst
Waiting for all to join forces like a power ring for Project Alexandrite.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
demigod
Member
I'd like to see that bloodbath.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Here's my current guess:
- Windows Xbox Mode will have the same look and feel on any Windows PC and a next-gen-Xbox
- On a regular Windows PC the outer UI is just a part of Windows, the "Switcher" if you will
- On next-gen-Xbox and potentially all Magnus devices, that outer UI will be a hypervisor
- Next-gen games will be essentially Windows versions, but on next-gen-Xbox and potentially Magnus these will launch in a high-performance VM that is a lot more optimized than MS could get with FSE/regular Windows. No secondary launchers, nothing that directly touches Win32 APIs, etc. because the games are required to use GDK. Could evens support quick-resume
- These same games will install fine on regular Windows.
- Developers can detect what environment the game is executing in and do things like customize the UX (like potentially removing loads of options and only having "quality", "performance", etc. like we have this gen)
- Xbox BC will also use the hypervisor approach and won't be available off Magnus devices
The advantages of running the "Xbox" game would be:
- Easier to use
- More stable / specifically tested for the hardware, nothing else is in memory causing random resource issues
- Potentially better performance
The biggest issue with the above is that Windows doesn't really "Freeze" particularly well so if the switcher is a hypervisor then switching back to "Windows" could be really janky.
- Windows Xbox Mode will have the same look and feel on any Windows PC and a next-gen-Xbox
- On a regular Windows PC the outer UI is just a part of Windows, the "Switcher" if you will
- On next-gen-Xbox and potentially all Magnus devices, that outer UI will be a hypervisor
- Next-gen games will be essentially Windows versions, but on next-gen-Xbox and potentially Magnus these will launch in a high-performance VM that is a lot more optimized than MS could get with FSE/regular Windows. No secondary launchers, nothing that directly touches Win32 APIs, etc. because the games are required to use GDK. Could evens support quick-resume
- These same games will install fine on regular Windows.
- Developers can detect what environment the game is executing in and do things like customize the UX (like potentially removing loads of options and only having "quality", "performance", etc. like we have this gen)
- Xbox BC will also use the hypervisor approach and won't be available off Magnus devices
The advantages of running the "Xbox" game would be:
- Easier to use
- More stable / specifically tested for the hardware, nothing else is in memory causing random resource issues
- Potentially better performance
The biggest issue with the above is that Windows doesn't really "Freeze" particularly well so if the switcher is a hypervisor then switching back to "Windows" could be really janky.
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Gamer_By_Proxy
About to beat off
If this PC isn't coming til 2028, why did they pull out of so many markets and not stock shelves so early?
Proelite
Member
Why didn't they make the SOC CPU, NPU + DDR5 phy so that it'll be the same as the desktop part. The bridging die will have the Media/Display.
Bingo. Nailed it.
And it's not a guess. It's a deduction.
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Joking aside, I wonder what both (Diamond and Amethyst) are... Are they both different versions of FSR optimized for specific hardware (like PSSR), or is it simply a collaboration between Sony and Microsoft (each with their own tools) with AMD to create a "Project Alexandrite" rival to DLSs that would be compatible with all future AMD hardware?
Waiting for all to join forces like a power ring for Project Alexandrite.
Cerny said that Amethyst's achievements would be available to third parties at AMD's discretion. Project Diamond should have the same foundation.
P.S. A PSSR vs. XSSR would be pure gold for Digital Foundry.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Stafford
Member
True that and honestly, kinda interesting to see. If this truly happens.
Because weren't there rumors the next Xbox would be costing significantly more than PS6? If true I wonder what reason MS thinks would justify that.
Proelite
Member
Both consoles will be out of stock for 2+ years.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
MisterXDTV
Member
Because nobody cares about Series consoles anymore
Why should retailers stock something that doesn't sell?
As a dust-catcher?
mayham2199
Member
My guess is they just want to get as many of their current base as they can. This isn't meant to try and beat PS at sales. They stopped trying to do that a while ago.
Not enough consumer demand for retailers to bother stocking or ordering. Easier to assign that shelf space to PS5/Switch 2 etc....
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IntentionalPun
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Still a bunch of questions remain for me.
Like right now the Windows Store licensing terms are super generous. Is that all going away with "Xbox" now? That would make sense and might explain part why MS is doing this. They want that 30% cut not the 12% cut.
They also actually want publishers to publish to it when right now it's pretty sparing.
I still don't really understand why they'd even give access to "PC games" at all for their own device. It just undercuts them so much, and means many publishers might look at this thing and go "Why would I not just release on Steam still?" (unless they have interest in being on GamePass / xCloud)
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Stafford
Member
But if there's a big price gap I can even see the most "loyal" Xbox players seriously starting to consider only getting a PS5 instead. Much like the situation with Xbox One and PS4 years ago.
That being said, makes you wonder how those stories originated that Sony was starting their next gen way later than 2027 or even 2028. I saw several sites and just sources running with the stories as if it was fact already.
Gamer_By_Proxy
About to beat off
So once again, Xbox is quitting half way into a generation. PC coming in 2028. No consoles in stores or some regions at all.
Topher
Identifies as young
Exclusive to what? Planet Earth?
Microsoft didnt even greenlight the improved "Sebile" controller, chances of redesigned series X complete fantasyland.
Don't forget that storage and memory are now optional add-on dongles.
So the box must be much smaller right?
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I would assume devkits are loaded up the wazoo with both, they traditionally tend to have much more, even double, the memory that retail devices often do.
Proelite
Member
Just like the RAM
It's all related.
Gamer_By_Proxy
About to beat off
Not sure I even trust that. The lizard people conspiracy theory might be true too at this rate.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Very true, I sense another Covid-like experience early on in the supply chains. Only this time it's the AI virus.