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Asha Sharma: Next Xbox Project Name: "Helix" - Will 'lead in performance and play your Xbox and PC games'

Brucey said:
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Maybe related to target pricing if only incidentally.
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Edit: By the way it took me a minute but interesting observation.
 
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K KeplerL2 Do you why the CPU SOC is custom instead of off the shelf too? Obviously changes would be addition of DDR5 phy and removal of the media/display stuff.

That way the media/display chiplet can also be used in Magnus, in the middle.
 
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Proelite said:
K KeplerL2 Do you why the CPU SOC is custom instead of off the shelf too? Obviously changes would be addition of DDR5 phy and removal of the media/display stuff.

That way the media/display chiplet can also be used in Magnus, in the middle.
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What else would they use? Laptop SoCs have a bunch of stuff they don't need.
 
So basically, Gestridens Was Right. SneakersOS was right.

Still interested to see how exactly they improve on the FSE, because the one on Xbox ROG Ally was dogshit.

Also apparently some Steam Machine news came out at GDC? I should try finding out what it was...
 
Judd Nelson said:
Sorry if someone already asked you this, but what's your prediction for the PS6 disc edition & digital edition price?
With the current RAM AI madness around the world I fear that the PS6 disc-edition could launch for $800€.
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Sony and Microsoft will still get deals for bulk purchases. They don't pay retail prices like us peasants.

Actually, they won't have a disc drive version SKU, but one discless SKU for $599.99 and then for those who need a disc drive can purchase it as an add-on just like PS5 Pro.
 
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SegaSnatcher said:
Sony and Microsoft will still get deals for bulk purchases. They don't pay retail prices like us peasants.

PS6 will be $699.99 tops for the disc drive version.
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Imo Sony should get a better deal because they (AMD) know Sony's console will sell 100+ million units, while Microsoft's next Windows-PC thingy will sell... ~15-20 million units. I still hope Sony can eat some of these costs and sell a PS6 Disc-Edition for 599€.
 
GOKUSSJ2 said:
Jason Ronald talks start at 1:40
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The talk/ hint about the new Direct X is worrying. I wonder if this new Direct X is not gonna be compatible with the current gen hardware and will actually need new specific components in the hardware to run it. this will make every card is useless if we all need to upgrade to take advantage of the direct X.

hope i am just reading too much into it.
 
Why do people think either of these (especially Helix...they have all but said this is a premium priced product) is going to cost under $1000? The PS5 pro launched at what $700 (digital only) and that was before the memory/storage Armageddon.

Also has SONY committed to supporting physical media for next gen? If they are making a hybrid device in the form of their new forgettable portable why would they provide physical media for their main console knowing that players that buy their portable device (which presumably won't have an optical drive) would need to dip twice for the same content?

None of this makes any sense.
 
//DEVIL// said:
The talk/ hint about the new Direct X is worrying. I wonder if this new Direct X is not gonna be compatible with the current gen hardware and will actually need new specific components in the hardware to run it. this will make every card is useless if we all need to upgrade to take advantage of the direct X.

hope i am just reading too much into it.
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there are still games releasing with DX11. and DX12 already focused on being basically backwards/forwards compatible.

I assume DX13, or whatever they will call it, will mostly be about AI stuff and improving direct storage.
so probably, DX13 will be compatible with most current hardware, just that some older hardware won't have access to all DX13 features.

but that's already the case for DX12.
the PS5's hardware for example is not fully DX12 compatible... neither are RDNA1 cards. and the Xbox One misses a ton of DX12 features... but, DX12 games still exist on Xbox One.
 
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kevboard said:
there are still games releasing with DX11. and DX12 already focused on being basically backwards/forwards compatible.

I assume DX13, or whatever they will call it, will mostly be about AI stuff and improving direct storage.
so probably, DX13 will be compatible with most current hardware, just that some older hardware won't have access to all DX13 features.

but that's already the case for DX12.
the PS5's hardware for example is not fully DX12 compatible... neither are RDNA1 cards. and the Xbox One misses a ton of DX12 features... but, DX12 games still exist on Xbox One.
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Not always the case. GTX 1080ti can run DX12 but not fully. as for example it doesnt have ray tracing units.

There are things the new DirectX can have and none of the cards in the market has which would be the new selling point for Nvidia.

stuff like dedicated Neural Texture Units, Hardware AI geometry reconstructions, Neural shading cores etc.

Now depending on how well these things implemented in the game, it might give us another sitution where a powerful card like the 1080ti ( which is still decent to a point ), can't run games like Alan wake 2
 
Judd Nelson said:
Microsoft's next Windows-PC thingy will sell... ~15-20 million units
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May I remind you that Steam Deck that is viewed like a roaring success in console-like PC space barely broke 5m mark in it's lifetime while being supported by the biggest PC store in the world. And it enjoyed a very comfortable, even somewhat great price-to-spec ratio for the majority of it's run.

Helix is none of those things, and I predict that MS, just like with traditional consoles, won't share any numbers because they know perfectly well that their ceiling is floating around 1.5m at best. This SoC will be very expensive compared with PS6 where the first batch order from Sony will be maybe 10x of Helix's lifetime sales.
 
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//DEVIL// said:
Not always the case. GTX 1080ti can run DX12 but not fully. as for example it doesnt have ray tracing units.

There are things the new DirectX can have and none of the cards in the market has which would be the new selling point for Nvidia.

stuff like dedicated Neural Texture Units, Hardware AI geometry reconstructions, Neural shading cores etc.

Now depending on how well these things implemented in the game, it might give us another sitution where a powerful card like the 1080ti ( which is still decent to a point ), can't run games like Alan wake 2
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the 1080ti does in theory have RT support tho. just not all games support it.
 
ShaiKhulud1989 said:
May I remind you that Steam Deck that viewed like a roaring success in console-like PC space barely broke 5m mark in it's lifetime while being supported by the biggest PC store in the world. And it enjoyed a very comfortable, even somewhat great price-to-spec ratio for the majority of it's run.

Helix is none of those things, and I predict that MS, just like with traditional consoles, won't share any numbers because they know perfectly well that their ceiling is floating around 1.5m at best. This SoC will be very expensive comparing with PS6 where the first batch order from Sony will be maybe 10x of Helix's lifetime sales.
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Also SteamDeck was really a product that didn't exist before: "The Handheld PC"

This one is a standard PC APU with backwards compatibily for games from 20 years ago for the Xbox 360

There's no selling point for this thing

Let's say they launch at a better price than Asus, MSI and other OEMs

Do people really think all those brands won't adjust the prices accordingly to stay alive?

It's still AMD hardware off the shelves, nothing else
 
adamsapple said:
Series console + PC + Helix + RoG + Cloud

In theory Play Anywhere stuff would work on all of them.
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Seems like that is the goal, not sure how keen certain publishers will be about it.

There has to be a hard switch at some point. I wonder when that will happen. Right now it's a crapshoot for what's playable on console, PC and cloud. Resident Evil 8 gets randomly added to Play Anywhere. Other titles that aren't Play Anywhere have cloud support. It's a bit of a mess currently.
 
Kacho said:
Seems like that is the goal, not sure how keen certain publishers will be about it.

There has to be a hard switch at some point. I wonder when that will happen. Right now it's a crapshoot for what's playable on console, PC and cloud. Resident Evil 8 gets randomly added to Play Anywhere. Other titles that aren't Play Anywhere have cloud support. It's a bit of a mess currently.
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Again, "Play Anywhere" becomes irrelevant when MS device is a PC like any other

There's no Xbox version of games anymore, so you play PC games
 
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MisterXDTV said:
Again, play anywhere becomes irrelevant when MS device is a PC

There's no Xbox version of games anymore, so you play PC games
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Not according to that slide. A single license will work everywhere including Series consoles. We're looking at a long cross gen period as well.
 
Kacho said:
Not according to that slide. A single license will work everywhere including Series consoles. We're looking at a long cross gen period as well.
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So you expect third parties to support Xbox Series for years to come?

LMAO

And even then they can say Fuck you to Play Anywhere
 
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Ok I think I understand enough about what they want to do. I don't really understand all the technical stuff y'all talk about so doesn't bother me.

Gut feeling is it's just going to be a clusterfuck of a launch and a lot of normies like me will probably not get why this exists and buy a PS6.

What the fuck do I know though 🤣
 
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