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[Radical_3d]

Herman Hulst confirms end

of Single Player PS games porting to PC.

Ohhh… I thought he was gonna say his career…

 

[Thesnipergecko]

Damn, then I want a refund for my already purchased titles on Steam.

 

[KungFucius]

I've seen Saros and Ghost of Yotei, compared to the line-up of multiplatform titles coming out this year and next, I think I'll manage.

That's their real problem, they don't have the volume of exciting single player games to port in the first place. Wolverine will be the first, 1st party Sony game I will buy since Astrobot.

 

[MrTired]

That because their competition is also shitting their bed , they became the console of choice by default but this might change next gen

Because?
A competitor in Xbox which has a best timed exclusive and more expensive machine is going to get people to abandon PS as an ecosystem? Or the Steam Machine get do that by offering PC utility in a small form factor and a console like experience?
I would refer you to Steam sells figures compared with the NSW2.

I don't. Most players don't. And that's evident from the overall sales.

In the meantime, feel free to act smug how you've kept your SBI trash to yourselves.

A yet those "SBI trash" sold extremely well on release within PS ecosystem and (Spiderman 2, God War Ragnarok, Ghost of Yotei etc).

Don't know why your so mad that other people enjoyed games and experience you don't. I suppose someone has matured past expecting their gaming taste alone should to be catered too.

 

[DenchDeckard]

In what reality? Playstation MAU is at all-time high
Transition is slow, but economics and electronics pricing environment suggest so, people stay on past-gen longer. Doesn't mean anything for health as platform as a whole as Sony sell games on both PS4 and PS5 and profits on installbase on both too.
There is no market evidence that Playstation in any sort of trouble of "shrinking overall share", it's Xbox fans "Sony too" wild delusion and hopeful thinking.


Because of zillion chinese gamers those are PC first. Sure - you can't just change whole market preferences overnight.


In the astroturfers and bubble dwellers circles


Readjusting strategy (probably to curb both Magnus and Steam machine) is not losing confidence


No chance
Video game market itself are no longer how it was in PS3 era - so bringing back that generation is impossible. In PS3 era consoles constituted like 70% of video-game market and that was mostly SP gaming. Now consoles are like 30% of the market and even that part is more than half occupied by live service games,
So instead of having 70% market share to SP, now it's like 20% meaning that there is just not enough money out there to support PS3 level richness for SP gaming.
There is a reason why half of SP gaming industry struggle, and it's not only attributed to DEI as many european/asian studios/publishers struggle/were closed in recent times.

If you can not see the consensus that is happening across the internet and social media, that my kids see and show me around Sony and their games.

I am not saying they cant deliver awesome single player games, they just need some. But. I can say that the consensus around Sonys single player games and their platform is no where near as strong as it was at the start of the generation. You would have to be in denial to not see it.

Sure, every day people who just want to walk into a shop and buy a PS5 for GTA will turn up in the hundreds of thousands if not millions but the core gaming mentality is shifting. All the data is out there.

Making more money of less people doesn't dispute the overall consensus around Sony this year. I am not doing some huge doom and gloom here. I just think they need to get rid of hulst and get someone who STRIVES for the old Sony as much as they can.

 

[Superposition]

 

[Dirk Benedict]

As much as I despise, Hulst, this was the obvious wise move...

 

[roosnam1980]

good but this does not redeem hulst in any way , needs to be fired.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Dude, you already understood that I was talking about exclusives, even your initial comment was about exclusives:



Why are you trying to insist on something that's not the subject?

Wrong. I just used the same language that's always been used as moniker to examine Sony's output. You're the one incapable of using consistent language. There's a very obvious difference between critiquing their first party output and their PS5 exclusivity strategy.

 

[SmokSmog]

 

[balls of snow]

Good for Sony protecting their ips. I will continue managing a psn and steam library. Playstation is still where I play all Gaas and sports game anyway.

Sidenote: This was probably why Shift Up didnt want to work with Sony anymore after tasting that sweet sweet nectar of Steam.

 

[daclynk]

 

[SantaC]

They didnt bother to port the only game that would do real well on steam. Demon's souls

 

[DoctorEkkoUK]

if they are going to do this could they please patch the PS5 to support ultrawide monitors.

 

[chromatic9]

Well this is about single players games so not sure why Marathon is being brought up since it's a multiplayer game and bungie were bought on the idea of being multiplatform. Not only that, 70% of players for that game are on PC.

Naughty Dog haven't released a single player game on PS5 to port yet, it's few and far between now.

 

[Merline]

 

[Loope]

I can't say Sony SP games are must play.
The best that was published on PC, was probably, Days Gone. The rest vary from mediocre to just ok.

I enjoyed UC4 a lot. The rest (Horizon and God of War) Installed and uninstalled pretty quickly.I think i have also spiderman and TLOU, but the latter i would go through once i have more time.

 

[winjer]

I enjoyed UC4 a lot. The rest (Horizon and God of War) Installed and uninstalled pretty quickly.I think i have also spiderman and TLOU, but the latter i would go through once i have more time.

I hated U4. Worst game in the series by far.
TLOU had a good story, but gameplay was very basic, especially stealth.
Spiderman had nothing good about it. Complete waste of time and money.

 

[Felessan]

If you can not see the consensus that is happening across the internet and social media, that my kids see and show me around Sony and their games.

Loud minority of whiners are never consensus. Never trust cries over internet as a rule of representation

I am not saying they cant deliver awesome single player games, they just need some. But. I can say that the consensus around Sonys single player games and their platform is no where near as strong as it was at the start of the generation. You would have to be in denial to not see it.

I don't see it. At the start of generation Xbox was a bit weak, but still capable to fight. And now - Sony sole winner with massive mindshare and being defacto the only home console on the market
I don't see anywhere where Sony is weak and struggling now compared to the start of generation

Sure, every day people who just want to walk into a shop and buy a PS5 for GTA will turn up in the hundreds of thousands if not millions but the core gaming mentality is shifting. All the data is out there.

You just "casually" discard all those gaas players as "non-core" even though they are often more core than SP gamers (most hardcore communities are in online games) and they are future of gaming.
Check recent IGN study - it shows that Playstation is by far the most preferable platform of GenZ and GenZ is literal future of gaming. GenX and Millennials can hold a ground for a bit, but they got their real-life, got old and eventually leave forever.

Making more money of less people doesn't dispute the overall consensus around Sony this year. I am not doing some huge doom and gloom here. I just think they need to get rid of hulst and get someone who STRIVES for the old Sony as much as they can.

There is no "less people"
Playstation base is over 150m now, based that active PS4 installbase just barely smaller than PS5.
PSN MAU is at all time high, but you choose some irrelevant in current market metric just for hopium that "maybe maybe maybe things would go back in time". Not gonna happen.

Hulst will stay. GaaS will stay. Face reality already and stop whining and hopium for impossible.

 

[Loope]

I hated U4. Worst game in the series by far.
TLOU had a good story, but gameplay was very basic, especially stealth.
Spiderman had nothing good about it. Complete waste of time and money.

Well i only played 4, that's why maybe i liked it. As a game it worked for me, maybe because i liked the pirate theme. TLOU only played until you go to a warehouse etc. have to got back to it, to see the rest of it.

 

[MonkD]

Did they sell that poorly?

Spider-Man was definitely better on PC with all the mods available. The fact that the community managed to port every suit and then some is a massive plus. Especially since Insomniac didn't even bother doing that themselves.

 

[Bernardougf]

Dude, you already understood that I was talking about exclusives, even your initial comment was about exclusives:



Why are you trying to insist on something that's not the subject?

I think the point Ass of Can Whooping is trying to make is that if you take Sony's output and remove the PC ports, suddenly their exclusives lineup grows and is not so anemic.

What remains to be seen is if their second party deals will contemplate this exclusivity or not and how many of those they will be able to secure without the PC ports strategy.

All in all their first party in house output has been ridiculous this gen anyway imho.

 

[Hypereides]

In what reality? Playstation MAU is at all-time high
Transition is slow, but economics and electronics pricing environment suggest so, people stay on past-gen longer. Doesn't mean anything for health as platform as a whole as Sony sell games on both PS4 and PS5 and profits on installbase on both too.
There is no market evidence that Playstation in any sort of trouble of "shrinking overall share", it's Xbox fans "Sony too" wild delusion and hopeful thinking.

(...)

In the astroturfers and bubble dwellers circles

(...)

"All criticism is just Xbox fans or astroturfers"

Lol, really now? Be honest, moneybags. You got some stakes in how Sony performs and you're protecting your investment.

Dismissing concerns with such a broad generalization is just nonsensical.

 

[Bernardougf]

But bro won't believe the actual statement he made about 2nd party studios hence I already said. DONT BELIEVE CORPORATE SHENANIGANS. Youre outing yourself. I knew you have horse blinders on so you'll come back with that exact statement and ignore his second party explanation. Hilarious.

Brother I already had this exactly discussion even bringing the two heads of Sony second party strategy as a proof, its obvious that Sony knows the difference because they have a whole department for it. But since after all is done they choose to put a "first party" stamp on it for their investors is their problem and their choice. It dosent have to change the fact that those games are by the known definition "second party".

Ms can call their new PC a console, Sony can call 2nd party games 1st party and so on ... corpos will do corpos shit and shills will shill... nothing new.

 

[pudel]

Did they sell that poorly?

If you consider that all sony sp games were years old when they arrived on pc...I think they sold quite decent.

 

[Felessan]

"All criticism is just Xbox fans or astroturfers"

Lol, really now? Be honest, moneybags. You got some stakes in how Sony performs and you're protecting your investment.

Dismissing concerns with such a broad generalization is just nonsensical.

You can criticize all you want
And I even understand your concern and your pain and your gaming hobby implications - just don't share them
But trying to monopolize things like saying "we are core and they are casuals/unimportant ", dismissing reality where 80% of players/revenue shifted to GaaS, keep sprouting nonsense about "Sony is in trouble" and other stuff from fantasies is another story. One thing is your dissatisfaction with reality, another stuff is inventing (and actively pushing it as agenda) new fantasy reality where things go your way even though actual reality show no sign of it.

 

[jm89]

Jez right on time

My favourite bit

Given that Xbox's new CEO Asha Sharma wants to strengthen the brand's hardware performance as part of a plan to make Xbox "where the world plays," I expect she wants to bring back single player Xbox exclusives, and might even take them off Steam to release them on PC exclusively through the Xbox on PC app.

Do it asha please.

 

[roosnam1980]

do it asha , make console wars great again

 

[SHAKEZ]

That's nice, hopefully they can also make games people actually want to play.

 

[Astray]

Genuinely don't believe it when people tell me that PS games going full exclusive again won't make a difference and it's just 4 games a year.

There's a reason that Sony's games like Horizon, Spider-Man and God of War frequently make the benchmark lists of all major PC outlets and channels I watch, with most of them being PS4 games, that tells you that:

A) They are still unmatched in terms of visual fidelity by the rest of the market, and their presence will be missed based merely on that fact.
B) There is an audience for them on PC that wants to see how prospective parts or builds do on these games.

If Microsoft starts reducing its presence on Steam as well, I think Valve will have to start investing into some sort of tent-pole games again, especially if Microsoft starts moneyhatting their PC storefront like Epic did and does.

 

[pudel]

Do it asha please.

This will end like the "Epic Games Store". Good luck!

 

[Cumulus]

There's a reason that Sony's games like Horizon, Spider-Man and God of War frequently make the benchmark lists of all major PC outlets and channels I watch, with most of them being PS4 games, that tells you that:

It tells me you watch crappy benchmark channels. Sony games haven't been interesting to benchmark on a technological level since almost the beginning of this gen....

A) They are still unmatched in terms of visual fidelity by the rest of the market,

Sony has been left in the dust in terms of visual fidelity for quite a while now by 3rd Party Devs....under which rock have you slept?

B) There is an audience for them on PC that wants to see how prospective parts or builds do on these games.

Yes, there is, and the sales figures showed that it`s tiny.

If Microsoft starts reducing its presence on Steam as well, I think Valve will have to start investing into some sort of tent-pole games again, especially if Microsoft starts moneyhatting their PC storefront like Epic did and does.

Holy delusions, Batman! Do you have any idea how tiny a fraction of all games/revenue on Steam are from MS and Sony?
Gabe couldn´t care less about those 2.....And bringing in the ever-failing Epic Store as an example here....

 

[jm89]

This will end like the "Epic Games Store". Good luck!

The thing is if ms push all there walled garden customers to pc they may end up as epic game store anyway.

Having said that I don't see MS ever pulling away from steam, but they will be in a dilemma if they go ahead with this hybrid box.

 

[laynelane]

I took a quick look at the article and this stood out:

Given that Xbox's new CEO Asha Sharma wants to strengthen the brand's hardware performance as part of a plan to make Xbox "where the world plays," I expect she wants to bring back single player Xbox exclusives, and might even take them off Steam to release them on PC exclusively through the Xbox on PC app. We know she's evaluating the potential return of exclusives carefully, after all.

But will Microsoft let her?

The author (it's not our favourite titan) knows what she wants to do - if only mean old MS wasn't around.

 

[TheUsual]

Dang, would've loved to see Ghost of Yotei on PC. Game was gorgeous enough on PS5 and the Pro.

Demons Souls as well.

 

[laynelane]

Do it asha please.

 

[pudel]

The thing is if ms push all there walled garden customers to pc they may end up as epic game store anyway.

In my eyes they are already an "epic games store"...but at least now they sell their games everywhere. If they go exclusive....they lose these sales AND are being treated as "epic games store". 70% of something is usually more than 100% of nothing....this is also valid for MS. But I am happily doom watching all this "genius" exclusivity developments.

 

[bitbydeath]

I think the point Ass of Can Whooping is trying to make is that if you take Sony's output and remove the PC ports, suddenly their exclusives lineup grows and is not so anemic.

What remains to be seen is if their second party deals will contemplate this exclusivity or not and how many of those they will be able to secure without the PC ports strategy.

All in all their first party in house output has been ridiculous this gen anyway imho.

The bigger part at play that people are upset about is:

PlayStation will give you access to all AAA titles moving forward.

However for PC/Xbox you get all AAA titles minus those made exclusive to PlayStation.

 

[Bojji]

I hated U4. Worst game in the series by far.
TLOU had a good story, but gameplay was very basic, especially stealth.
Spiderman had nothing good about it. Complete waste of time and money.

Spider man is the worst 9/10 game I have every played. And why the fuck I forced myself to finish SM1 and MM...

"I hope it gets better" is what I was thinking (and MM was a better, shorter game). But SM2 is even worse than SM1, fuck me.

 

[winjer]

Spider man is the worst 9/10 game I have every played. And why the fuck I forced myself to finish SM1 and MM...

"I hope it gets better" is what I was thinking (and MM was a better, shorter game). But SM2 is even worse than SM1, fuck me.

Also also forced myself to finish it, always hoping it would get good.
But it was mediocre until the end. I did a bit of one of the dlcs, then gave up.
I don't even care about Miles Morales or Spiderman 2. And I have zero hype for Wolverine.

 

[Schmick]

Hey Herman, how about expanding Cloud Gaming to non PS hardware, or releasing a cheap streaming device for TV? Then they can still be PSN exclusive.

You can. You can use Playstation Plus for PC.

 

[Astray]

It tells me you watch crappy benchmark channels. Sony games haven't been interesting to benchmark on a technological level since almost the beginning of this gen....

I mean benchmarks are done by big channels like Linus tech tips and GamersNexus???

A big part of the press's coverage of the Xbox Ally launch was playing PS games on there and telling us how great they worked.

Sony has been left in the dust in terms of visual fidelity for quite a while now by 3rd Party Devs....under which rock have you slept?

Name the games.

Yes, there is, and the sales figures showed that it`s tiny.

I still maintain that the #1 reason for bad Playstation sales is lack of Denuvo at launch. The moment they launched a game with it (Stellar Blade) they made a ton of sales at launch.

Denuvo is the cellophane tape keeping AAA PC gaming intact for over a decade now, but for some reason PC gamers love to pick at it, and they won't like the results when it breaks completely..

Holy delusions, Batman! Do you have any idea how tiny a fraction all games from MS and Sony combined are on Steam?
Gabe couldn´t care less about those 2.....

You are very deluded if you think Playstation and Microsoft aren't two of the biggest publishers on Steam rn, especially the latter.

Judging by the reactions on forums to the news that PS is partially holding back its output from PC.. People are seriously not ready for what happens if Microsoft takes the gloves off and starts directly fucking with Valve, I predict a meltdown that will never be matched for a long-ass time..

 

[Guilty_AI]

I still maintain that the #1 reason for bad Playstation sales is lack of Denuvo at launch. The moment they launched a game with it (Stellar Blade) they made a ton of sales at launch.

Denuvo is the cellophane tape keeping AAA PC gaming intact for over a decade now, but for some reason PC gamers love to pick at it, and they won't like the results when it breaks completely..

This bullshit again , do i need to pull out the lists once more?

You are very deluded if you think Playstation and Microsoft aren't two of the biggest publishers on Steam rn, especially the latter.

Holy moly of delusions batman

 

[jm89]

People are seriously not ready for what happens if Microsoft takes the gloves off and starts directly fucking with Valve, I predict a meltdown that will never be matched for a long-ass time..

I'm here for it.

 

[Astray]

This bullshit again , do i need to pull out the lists once more?

I am dead serious about it.

You posted some games, but it's very clear that the guys whose jobs depend on a successful launch aren't. If Denuvo didn't have a clear and obvious value to publishers then they would have gone bankrupt ages ago given how exorbitant their fees are.

 

[Guilty_AI]

I am dead serious about it.

You posted some games, but it's very clear that the guys whose jobs depend on a successful launch aren't. If Denuvo didn't have a clear and obvious value to publishers then they would have gone bankrupt ages ago given how exorbitant their fees are.

"Some games" lmao

 

[winjer]

People are seriously not ready for what happens if Microsoft takes the gloves off and starts directly fucking with Valve, I predict a meltdown that will never be matched for a long-ass time..

When MS takes it's gloves off, Windows crashes again.

 

[IDKFA]

Porting games on PC day one was one of the reasons Xbox has failed. There is a reason Nintendo hasn't ported games to PC, because it would harm their hardware sales. If you have a PC/laptop, why pick up a PS6 if you can get all the same games on Steam?

If Sony wants future consoles to be a success, then they need to give people a reason to buy them. The tried and tested way to do this is by offering games that can only be found on PlayStation.

 

[Astray]

I'm here for it.

Microsoft is the single most motivated party to want a future where Valve is severely diminished. They also have direct control over some of the biggest IPs on PC and the OS the vast majority of Steam's customers engage with it on.

We've seen what happened when Windows got an update passed through that broke a multiple Ubisoft titles in one fell swoop. Imagine what happens when Microsoft decides that new OS features should be geared towards their own store first.

It's only Phil that was deluded enough to think otherwise. But the man is a known retard so..

 

[Topher]