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come into this thread to see if everyone still hates Astro.

Some dude transcribed his performance has listened to it 30 times, and claims its the best hip hop he's heard in however many years.

I said it's the most relate-able hip hop lyrics in the last while, doesn't mean it's the best hip hop. I've listened to Bonfire by Gambino 69 times (plays), Just a friend by Biz Markie (finally downloaded from itunes) 45 plays, and 52 plays for She by Tyler, The Creator in the last couple of weeks. I listen to the same songs a lot.

Infact, Moment of Clarity by Jay-Z has 321 plays on my itunes music library, so 30 times isn't a huge amount.
 
Anybody thinking that Astro winning this competition will herald (EDIT: stupid spell check) the return of "real" Hip Hop is demonstrating how much they don't know about the Hip Hop community. "Real" Hip Hop isn't going to be made nationally relevant by a reality show on network television, and it really doesn't need to be.

Besides, if he does win, do you really think his "handlers" (because he will have them) are going to let him spit "real shit" (of which he knows nothing about) over a stripped-down 808? No, they're going to have him putting out the same Pop-friendly, Top 40 drivel that other "sell-out" rappers do. He'll be rapping on tracks with Bieber, guest starring on Disney shows, and rapping about buying his girlfriend candy.
 
Possibly. Until then though, he's spitting some pretty hot fire (except tonight, it was alright), so I'm going to hold out hope.

Who's the five best rappers of all time? Astro, Astro, Astro, Astro and Astro. Cause he spits hot fire. /joke
 
I wonder if Leroy would have even been eligible for Idol beyond the age limit given his history (i.e. he wrote a No. 1 UK single and then a Top 10 US single for Elton John).
 
Josh is alone in this competition. That was so far beyond everything else. Just a man and an instrument. No pyrotechnics. No choir. No bullshit.
 
Really? LA freaking Reid doesn't know anything about the music industry...?

She DOES need to perform something different. Every song she's performed so far has been the same. She sits down, does the same stupid hiccup after every note, and expect to be praised. She has no versatility. That's what he's criticizing her on and it's right. I don't understand how you can say that is false.

La Reid is an idiot, hell he's never heard of You Me & Dupree, lol. What's stupid about his comment is, EVERY OTHER FUCKING SINGER IS DOING THE SAME SHIT every time I watch the show, not just Drew.
 
The old CEO of the old Loud Records who brought you hip hop acts you guys probably haven't heard of (Wu Tang/RZA/Dead Prez/Mobb Deep) made this tweet:

steverifkind Steve Rifkind
“@LA_Reid: Real champions know how to get up off the ground after they've been knocked down, Thats Astro!!!”. TRUE
 
Anybody thinking that Astro winning this competition will Harold the return of "real" Hip Hop is demonstrating how much they don't know about the Hip Hop community. "Real" Hip Hop isn't going to be made nationally relevant by a reality show on network television, and it really doesn't need to be.



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Impressions from this week.


Melanie: where the hell did that accent come from?

Astro: came back with a Vengance. Great performance.

Drew: I'm a fan of Drew but I think this was her worst performance so far. Totally forgettable.
 
Oh my Buddha, we have a full blown Astro stan among us.


Josh is alone in this competition. That was so far beyond everything else. Just a man and an instrument. No pyrotechnics. No choir. No bullshit.
Josh ravaged the landscape and left a trail of corpses. I doubt he will be the winner since I'm not putting any faith on the voters, but he definitely has potential for a great career provided he doesn't waste his talents on the typical generic trite that reality contestants put out.
 
Impressions from this week.


Melanie: where the hell did that accent come from?

Astro: came back with a Vengance. Great performance.

Drew: I'm a fan of Drew but I think this was her worst performance so far. Totally forgettable.

She's from the Virgin Islands - most Carribean islands speak some kind of English or French based creole. You can cover up most accents by learning to speak with a different regional accent, but my guess is they decided it was a bad idea to keep covering up the way she normally speaks since people would find out and then think she was faking.
 
The problem with Drew is that she's stuck with Simon. And whenever Simon champions a female he makes them do the same thing, over and over and over and over. I'll never understand his obsession with with female performers and boring ballads (*cough* Leona Lewis *cough*).

I didn't like Drew's performance last week, but this is the week where it really felt like she's going to lose steam if she doesn't give us something fresh. The "goofy girl with the angelic soft voice" bit has gotten stale, and in the face of all the drama she's really becoming quite forgettable. The audience is no longer in awe of her voice - she's proven she can sing. Now give us something that won't put us to sleep.

Simon likes his artists to show consistency with their sound, but he needs to remember that some of American Idol's big winners sealed their victory by singing something unexpected and knocking it out of the park (Fantasia Barrino singing "Summertime", Carrie Underwood singing "Alone", Kelly Clarkson singing...well, everything).
 
Josh Krajcnik is going to win this hands down, not a single other competitor (can I call them that?) are remotely as talented as this musician. Matter of fact Josh is the only musician the rest are 1 trick ponies and it shows. Astro had the cute/rapper kid factor for awhile but his attitude plus a failed opportunity to do something heartfelt this week means he's sunk. Bottom 2 for the kiddo again. The judges are not going to keep him around week after week when its the same 'ol sparkle and grit. Astro desperately needs a somber week, something sitting down, something slow and special. This was the week, and they missed it.

Drew is boring yet again, but Marcus was heartfelt I think. Everything else is so unnatural and cliche its hard to stomach. Only 1 true musician, 5 million dollar act in the bunch ... Josh. Show is over, nobody is going to top this guy.
 
The problem with Drew is that she's stuck with Simon. And whenever Simon champions a female he makes them do the same thing, over and over and over and over. I'll never understand his obsession with with female performers and boring ballads (*cough* Leona Lewis *cough*).

I didn't like Drew's performance last week, but this is the week where it really felt like she's going to lose steam if she doesn't give us something fresh. The "goofy girl with the angelic soft voice" bit has gotten stale, and in the face of all the drama she's really becoming quite forgettable. The audience is no longer in awe of her voice - she's proven she can sing. Now give us something that won't put us to sleep.

Simon likes his artists to show consistency with their sound, but he needs to remember that some of American Idol's big winners sealed their victory by singing something unexpected and knocking it out of the park (Fantasia Barrino singing "Summertime", Carrie Underwood singing "Alone", Kelly Clarkson singing...well, everything).

Drew needs to do something peppy, it's getting tiring watch her do the same song I already know she knows how to do. It feels like they're trying super hard to not make her seem like Taylor Swift, but FFS just give her a Taylor Swift song.


Josh Krajcnik is going to win this hands down, not a single other competitor (can I call them that?) are remotely as talented as this musician. Matter of fact Josh is the only musician the rest are 1 trick ponies and it shows. Astro had the cute/rapper kid factor for awhile but his attitude plus a failed opportunity to do something heartfelt this week means he's sunk. Bottom 2 for the kiddo again. The judges are not going to keep him around week after week when its the same 'ol sparkle and grit. Astro desperately needs a somber week, something sitting down, something slow and special. This was the week, and they missed it.

Drew is boring yet again, but Marcus was heartfelt I think. Everything else is so unnatural and cliche its hard to stomach. Only 1 true musician, 5 million dollar act in the bunch ... Josh. Show is over, nobody is going to top this guy.
I'd almost be willing put money on Drew winning. There's still enough time for her to pull something out that isn't slow and boring. It's not her fault.
 
Lakoda Rayne is definitely going home this week

They've always just sounded like four girls acting like the other three weren't there. They really have no reason being there, although brunette girl is super hot.
 
Am I the only one who thinks Drew is incapable of stepping out of her style? Her voice just seems too fragile and weak for anything else (as evidenced by the cracks in her performance every time she takes even one step outside her genre).

I'd rather she sound boring and repetitive than downright awful and embarrassing, like Stacy during that uptempo number. It's unfortunate only because she'll fail to entice enough voters to remain in the competition (though she won't be convincing voters either with a different but terrible performance), but she should be fine career-wise after the show.
 
They've always just sounded like four girls acting like the other three weren't there. They really have no reason being there, although brunette girl is super hot.
Exactly. I don't know why they even bother doing these Frankengroup things. Does it ever turn out well? I guess One Direction from the UK show is doing alright, but usually you can't force chemistry between singers.
 
Josh Krajcnik is going to win this hands down, not a single other competitor (can I call them that?) are remotely as talented as this musician. Matter of fact Josh is the only musician the rest are 1 trick ponies and it shows. Astro had the cute/rapper kid factor for awhile but his attitude plus a failed opportunity to do something heartfelt this week means he's sunk. Bottom 2 for the kiddo again. The judges are not going to keep him around week after week when its the same 'ol sparkle and grit. Astro desperately needs a somber week, something sitting down, something slow and special. This was the week, and they missed it.

Drew is boring yet again, but Marcus was heartfelt I think. Everything else is so unnatural and cliche its hard to stomach. Only 1 true musician, 5 million dollar act in the bunch ... Josh. Show is over, nobody is going to top this guy.

While I agree that Josh is the most talented contestant left on the show, he's not going to win for one simple reason:

He's too disgusting.

I'm sorry - and I love the man's voice - but every time he performs he looks like he just got off a shift at the burrito shop. He puts absolutely no thought into trying to be relatable to the show's audience or at least looking the part. Even when he attempts to clean up he looks like a disheveled mess. And not in the David Cook / Kris Allen "We look like this on purpose and it's hot" sorta way. But in the "everytime you perform you look like a wet fart" sorta way.

Josh comes off as the "Old Guy" on the show, which is weird because there's a contestant in his 60s who comes off as more relatable.

Am I the only one who thinks Drew is incapable of stepping out of her style? Her voice just seems too fragile and weak for anything else (as evidenced by the cracks in her performance every time she takes even one step outside her genre).

But there are plenty of successful acts who made it big on talented-but-thinner vocals and have a range of material (Janet, Kylie, Godney, etc). I feel like they're just not trying with this girl.

Hell, at this point I'd be happy if they just gave her something mid-tempo to sing. Suuuriously, can we just get a mid-tempo up in here?
 
Am I the only one who thinks Drew is incapable of stepping out of her style? Her voice just seems too fragile and weak for anything else (as evidenced by the cracks in her performance every time she takes even one step outside her genre).

I'd rather she sound boring and repetitive than downright awful and embarrassing, like Stacy during that uptempo number. It's unfortunate only because she'll fail to entice enough voters to remain in the competition (though she won't be convincing voters either with a different but terrible performance), but she should be fine career-wise after the show.

It's totally speculative since she hasn't done anything uptempo, but generally those songs are easier to do, although every singer on a show like this undersings those parts live.


While I agree that Josh is the most talented contestant left on the show, he's not going to win for one simple reason:

He's too disgusting.

I'm sorry - and I love the man's voice - but every time he performs he looks like he just got off a shift at the burrito shop. He puts absolutely no thought into trying to be relatable to the show's audience or at least looking the part. Even when he attempts to clean up he looks like a disheveled mess. And not in the David Cook / Kris Allen "We look like this on purpose and it's hot" sorta way. But in the "everytime you perform you look like a wet fart" sorta way.

Josh comes off as the "Old Guy" on the show, which is weird because there's a contestant in his 60s who comes off as more relatable.
I really found David Cook to be the best contestant on one of these shows; he just got how to do one of these shows. I really like Kris Allen too, actually, now that you mention it. Lee Dewyze winning a season was when I knew that show was getting long in the tooth and needed a rejiggered formula.
 
The problem with Drew is that she's stuck with Simon. And whenever Simon champions a female he makes them do the same thing, over and over and over and over. I'll never understand his obsession with with female performers and boring ballads (*cough* Leona Lewis *cough*).
Fair observation, but with Drew I'm tending to agree with Koodo that she's a one-trick pony and not just being unwillingly pigeonholed. Every time she sings while moving, her voice falls apart. I can't imagine her doing a performance that combines the "angelic" style vocals with an uptempo number like this or this.

EDIT: Wow, this show used to be so low-budget
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Fair observation, but with Drew I'm tending to agree with Koodo that she's a one-trick pony and not just being unwillingly pigeonholed. Every time she sings while moving, her voice falls apart. I can't imagine her doing a performance that combines the "angelic" style vocals with an uptempo number like this or this.


EDIT: Wow, this show used to be so low-budget
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Well, to be honest I always thought that Lady Marmalade cover was the worst thing Leona ever put vocals to, but that Donna Summer cover made me want a Leona Lewis Disco album, so I see what you're saying. I don't see Drew being able to sing anything like that...but she's going to lose the audience if she doesn't change it up.
 
I still have a serious problem with Josh, and it's appearance and style yet again. It's shallow, I know. But damn if it's not constantly stopping me from connecting. Too distracting

They tidied him up a little but he still has ways to go. From the reel he looked much better in short hair. That beard needs to be trimmed. Those teeth need to be whitened. Just once before the show is over.

Sometimes he appears so greasy I can almost smell the funk, so I cringe when I should be enjoying his music.

Sigh.
I can't imagine her doing a performance that combines the "angelic" style vocals with an uptempo number like this or this.
Ahh, still melts me.
 
They tidied him up a little but he still has ways to go. From the reel he looked much better in short hair. That beard needs to be trimmed. Those teeth need to be whitened. Just once before the show is over.

Sometimes he appears so greasy I can almost smell the funk, so I cringe when I should be enjoying his music.

Agreed. I'd be happy with just washing his face at this point. It's always the first thing I notice when he sings - his face is always SO freakin' greasy. And then you notice the clumpy hair and the oily pubes sticking out from the top of his shirt and it's just all downhill from there.

My roommates and I are convinced that that's why the lights stayed off of him during his ENTIRE performance on Rock Week.
 
Yeah, I'm totally shallow too. The sad thing is that if he put in a little effort, he would actually be a pretty handsome guy. Look what a little Hollywood glam did for Elliot Yamin.
 
LA Reid: "Drew, you gotta do something outside of your genre."

"Astro" does more Disney Rap

LA Reid: "He's a phenomena!"

Tabris: "Transcribing this shit gives me the shivers"


GAF: "What they holy fuck?!?"
 
I absolutely agree that Josh looks like he just slid out of a vat of burrito grease. I was hoping they were going to work on him a little. Get a haircut, trim the beard, try to reduce the 'I have a shift at Taco Bell right after this' vibe he gives off.
 
"Astro" does more Disney Rap

No one seems to be able to back up these statements. Here is Disney rap:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cLTRAm4kd4

Please tell me how this relates to what Astro has done. Please be specific on what lines he's done relates to the kind of rap you'll hear on a Disney show. I think you are confusing Disney with Nicolodean and you are thinking of acts like Kriss Kross back in the day.

Nothing he's done except for the play on their song is anything similar to Kriss Kross.

Back up your stupid statements.
 
YASSSSSS!!! Put these lessors to shame Kelly! The ORIGINAL

EDIT: I see nothing wrong with Kelly's fuller figure...but that dress looks ready to explode.
 
No one seems to be able to back up these statements. Here is Disney rap:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cLTRAm4kd4

Please tell me how this relates to what Astro has done. Please be specific on what lines he's done relates to the kind of rap you'll hear on a Disney show. I think you are confusing Disney with Nicolodean and you are thinking of acts like Kriss Kross back in the day.

Nothing he's done except for the play on their song is anything similar to Kriss Kross.

Back up your stupid statements.

It's a feeling I get. If you think I'm going to waste my time going through all his lyrics like a demented fan you're nuts. You have a hard on for him. Cool.

That does nothing to change my feeling that he's fairly worthless and one dimensional.
 
I was watching this right before this group performance right now.

Really puts into perspective how karaoke the majority of these acts are.


Edit: oh, Kellysa was good. Snatched reality wigs, etc.
 
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