infinityBCRT
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Deserves own thread?
Rumor: Xbox 3 = 6-core CPU, 2GB of DDR3 Main RAM, 2 AMD GPUs w/ Unknown VRAM, At CES
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Deserves own thread?
I think so.
Because nintendo is strictly prohibiting 3rd parties from announcing any titles until some future point in time?
Not that that's confirmed or anything, but I could see it being a possibility. Nintendo is pretty anal.
Sho_Nuff82
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Yeah, I'd say these are confirmations of Wii U skus. Mass Effect 3 releases in March for 360, a re-release in the same year for a BC console wouldn't make sense.
Edit: It also points towards a summer 2012 Wii U release rather than fall. FIFA 13 will be out next October...
Grampa Simpson
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Do you think these problems are insurmountable to microsoft? Let's list list your complaints:
1) Only 16 gigs of flash
2) Bandwidth Caps
3) Retailers don't like it
I'm at work so I'm not going to explain how each of these are surmountable (#1 in at least 2 ways, maybe 3) to a company of Microsoft's size, but I will say that the solid state SKU is not targeted at you or me. It's targeted at other people. People who bought the Wii for Wii Sports or Wii Fit, or the 360 for Kinect.
A DD only console would be an XBL box, not something that can play the same games as an optical system. Maybe some smaller 360 games could be rereleased.
Casuals would eat that shit up. Kinect compatibility, catchup TV, Netflix, YouTube, Spotify, maybe a fully featured web browser (though the content partners would not like that, which is why I'm guessing the 360 hasn't had one). Then a bunch of smaller games and XBox rereleases and smaller 360 games. Throw in a few dedicated download only titles form the major franchises (FIFA, Halo, GOW, etc.) and you're onto a winner.
You'd just need to keep the USB Mass Storage option, maybe add an SD slot for those that really get into it. Use WM7 phones as a remote and voice control and some kind of Windows Extender functionality to tie all the properties together, it'd be Ballmer's wet dream.
It would not be a games console as much as a set top box with some Xbox games on it, you're coming at it from the wrong angle.
Casuals would eat that shit up. Kinect compatibility, catchup TV, Netflix, YouTube, Spotify, maybe a fully featured web browser (though the content partners would not like that, which is why I'm guessing the 360 hasn't had one). Then a bunch of smaller games and XBox rereleases and smaller 360 games. Throw in a few dedicated download only titles form the major franchises (FIFA, Halo, GOW, etc.) and you're onto a winner.
You'd just need to keep the USB Mass Storage option, maybe add an SD slot for those that really get into it. Use WM7 phones as a remote and voice control and some kind of Windows Extender functionality to tie all the properties together, it'd be Ballmer's wet dream.
It would not be a games console as much as a set top box with some Xbox games on it, you're coming at it from the wrong angle.
Sho_Nuff82
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Why would MS bother putting next gen hw in a set top box? They could easily put this kind of concept into action with the 360 hw.
People who buy consoles for Wii Sports/Fit or Kinect are less likely to have their consoles connected to the internet, and less likely to purchase console games over the internet instead of a brick and mortar store.
You claim you have a list of arguments why MS could pull this off, but you've yet to explain why they should. Kinect is a Trojan Horse to sell you LIVE and bunch of software. People with no optical drive aren't going to buy $50, 7-15 GB retail games over the internet.
bgassassin
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This is how I've been seeing it also. This set-top version will not be capable of playing Xbox3-level games, and possibly not even 360 games that weren't downloadable. Since the games won't be large in size (couple GBs at most), there won't be a need to do a lot of storage. That is unless this thing has some kind of HD-DVR functionality, but that could have it's own dedicated storage space.
They can always just connect a USB HDD. *cough*
bgassassin
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Too much burden on the casual audience. Make it too complicated and they won't buy it.
Karak
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Interesting new title listing by EA?
http://www.msxbox-world.com/news/ar...3-confirmed-ea-listing-games-as-next-gen.html
Maybe just Wiiu
http://www.msxbox-world.com/news/ar...3-confirmed-ea-listing-games-as-next-gen.html
Maybe just Wiiu
Grampa Simpson
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Why use 360 hardware when they can have an upsell of an add-on into their 3rd generation?
360 development will dry up quickly once the 3rd generation xbox is out, and even then, it splits the developer base - some games come out on one, and some games come out on the other.
How are they going to use netflix if they don't hook it up to the internet? Do people not already buy full games on xbox live? It would be a base box, and a device to bring people in.
You make a flat statement that people without optical drives won't buy software of the internet. Can you explain the logic behind that one? Would they buy $15 or $20 software, but have a cutoff point where they just won't buy something more expensive no matter how exciting or popular?
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=453713
so 6970 equivalent sounds fairly doable? And that'd perform significantly above what a 6970 does in a PC now due to the controlled environment.
so 6970 equivalent sounds fairly doable? And that'd perform significantly above what a 6970 does in a PC now due to the controlled environment.
Altough i think at least that level of performance is likely in the final product we don't have confirmed numbers for how much those PC cards actually consume. Console versions would take a ton of stuff out and likely lower rops for 1080p max and clockrates
They probably would have just said WiiU then since that is already annouced. Them simply saying Next Gen is weird.
I'm hoping the next-gen Xbox releases Fall 2012 with a GOTY edition of Skyrim and Battlefield 3 on launch day, with both taking advantage of the extra horsepower. EA released BF2: Modern Combat on Xbox and then later on 360...really hope they do the same IF the system does hit next year.
I also think it would be strange for MS to release the set-top before the 360's successor. Many will see the new Xbox set-top as Microsoft's answer to Wii U in 2012. A new Xbox that can't play their Xbox 360 library. Just seems like a bad move from a business standpoint. Release the full blown next-gen system first and then announce a very scaled down set-top box for those that wouldn't mind only having what that device offers.
I also think it would be strange for MS to release the set-top before the 360's successor. Many will see the new Xbox set-top as Microsoft's answer to Wii U in 2012. A new Xbox that can't play their Xbox 360 library. Just seems like a bad move from a business standpoint. Release the full blown next-gen system first and then announce a very scaled down set-top box for those that wouldn't mind only having what that device offers.
GarthVaderUK
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Release it on Nextbox as well with better textures, a couple of exclusive features and cross-platform multiplayer.
Beat both the shit out of the PS3 with the Xbox 360 + Halo 4 in September and the Wii U with the next-gen console with all bells and whistles in November. They could also Twilight Princess it.
If that ends up being true, no doubt. However, I have doubts about this rumor.
Nintendo seems to have an NDA on Wii U announcements. Well, unless you really believe that every single multi-platform game announced since E3 isn't coming to Wii U.
Why bother? Even if WiiU gets ports for all big games for christmas 2012, most people will play them on their already purchased consoles. They will be simple ports.
Agreed. but 360TV might not be in the 360 family and with a very tame design.
i'll buy it but that's hatefull for all the not-wealthy Halo fans.
Day one consoles are whether very expensive or hard to find, I don't see the interest of splitting the community around who is rich/lucky.
Hateful would be not releasing it on the 360. There's nothing wrong with releasing it on both.
Stockpile what? You think they're launching on 40nm?
Sho_Nuff82
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Cognitive dissonance.
GarthVaderUK
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I don't get that. Following that logic, wouldn't releasing any new console be hateful to people in the gaming community who can't afford new hardware and the games that are released for it? It's just business and progress, I don't think hate comes into it.
If people can't bear thinking about better looking versions of games out there on more powerful hardware, I wonder how they cope with the existence of PC gaming.
Sho_Nuff82
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The best selling XBL game (Castle Crashers)
a) is less than 2 GB
b) has sold less than 2 million copies LTD on a userbase of nearly 60 million
This on the most popular console online gaming service in the world. So why would MS sell loss-leading hw to an audience (Kinect owners) that has zero history of being heavily involved with XBL (there are no Kinect-exclusive XBLA games yet, only a handful of Kinect retail releases are available online, and KS/DC, despite selling millions of copies, never sniff the XBL top 20) and seems to be quite content with buying games in stores all year round (see: Just Dance and Zumba Fitness sales this summer on Wii)?
It's a pointless attempt to fit a square peg in a round hole. The only people buying DD en masse these days are PC gamers and smartphone gamers, two devices that are perpetually connected to the internet. If MS does release a set top box without an optical drive, the cheaper 360 hw makes sense (because 360 software doesn't have a problem selling).
why? power savings don't seem to stack up? something else not feel right?
that's what I'm gonna get if I buy expensive new hardware to play a game that doesn't need it... a harware thaht will showcase graphics, animations etc... the game I spend most time cannot approach.
Grampa Simpson
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They're potential customers. Get them in the door for Netflix and Kinect and make that a gateway into something more. The customer puts down half the price of the full system up front and gets half a system, a portion of them later upgrade their half a system to a whole system and in the process become a broader, more saleable to customer.
Is your argument that you can't sell large amounts of downloadable software on consoles until some arbitrary date?
Yeah the Xbox 360 was released like, just yesterday. No need to RUSH.
Why would it be rushed? Or do people think the development of the console starts after the announcement? If yes, that's very naive. This thing is probably in development for a few years already.
Every single company who has ever commented on this subject has said the exact same thing over and over...planning for their next console, serious planning, starts the day they release a new machine.
Saw this yesterday and couldn't find it in me to respond... but now I saw it again and I have to. This is the most bullshit ever.
This is just some guy speculating that an invite is related to xbox news, no hint anywhere that it's Xbox related, or that Xbox news is coming. MS have invited people to CES in the past, will do so in the future. The Xbox is a CONSUMER device.
This is just a nut job wanting to see signs...
I really do think Ballmer is sitting in an office with a gannt chart on the wall that has Windows 8, Windows Phone 8 and the next Xbox all launching Q4 next year, and probably also on that gannt chart is the day 4 months down the line where he gets to announce Microsoft's biggest quarter ever and silence his critics, but I think the practicalities of doing that will become apparent and things will change.
Or maybe more accurately, they already changed.
Or maybe more accurately, they already changed.
The "nut job" isn't the only one reporting Xbox news at CES. Nintex has been paying more attention than I have, so he can list the other examples.
You're absolutely correct in that Balmer is wanting to launch all 4 this time next year. And with the amount of money MS has and how much they've already bled in this business, you don't think they can do it?
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Proelite
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Just annoyed by your extremely confident posts in a rumour thread. JMHO.
There have been a shitton of rumours about the XBox 3 in the past few months. Do you remember what happened prior to the Wii U at E3 earlier this year? Where there's smoke there's fire.
It's also no secret that Balmer wants product synergy. Read some of the things he's said in the past year.
They should really give up already on grasping at straws.. Pubs clearly have like zero plans for 2012 launch the way they keep announcing late 2012 and 2013 stuff
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