Chip N Chance
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Why does time traveling in OoT change links age but not in Skyward Sword. I get that traveling through time in SS is to a degree that Link wouldnt even be alive, but why do it in the first place IE Ocarina? Seems inconsistent.
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Zelda Skyward Sword Spoiler Thread: Retelling the Legend without the black bars
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Link goes to sleep in OoT and wakes up older. Him going back in time is just him returning to his younger self.
I have many questions. Just finished the game today:
1. Can somebody....anybody......explain Lanayru for me? Why is it a desert? Who was the ancient civilization that dwelt there and what happened to them? And why did they have robots (in a Zelda game?)? Why is Lanayru Province not a desert in Twilight Princess? Or am I mistaken? The tree reference someone pointed out earlier apparently makes it seem like it becomes very much grassy again.
2. The Gorons...where are they living? What about the Zora? Why have they only been in OoT and TP, it seems (the good ones...dont' even get me started on the confusion between the good and evil Zoras)? And the Kokiri? Any hints I missed or something? Am I really supposed to believe the Kikwi become the Kokiri which become the Koroks (WW)?
3. Despite the references to Din, Nayru, and Farore, I still didn't see an explanation there. I thought they'd say that Hylia split herself into three or something to explain them. But it didn't happen. So who came first? The three goddesses or Hylia? And are "the old gods" before all of them?
4. Why do they keep calling them humans? When do they become Hylians? This contradicts things like how there are "normal" humans (ones without pointed ears) as WELL as Hylians in other Zelda games...you know...both living simultaneously. Wouldn't Hylia have spared the Hylians instead of all humans, which would be impossible considering Hyrule is probably just a small section of the Earth. It's like they forgot they gave these chosen people the name of Hylian instead of human...
5. So apparently the Temple of Time moves from Lanayru Province (SS) to Faron Province (TP) at some point? Unless the Temple of Hylia becomes the new Temple of Time, which seems to be the case, right? Should I just pretend the old Temple of Time goes away forever, then?
6. I was really hoping to see more and learn more about the Sheikah. Are they not considered "humans" since they were kept on the surface world? Or is Impa the only Sheikah, like, ever born at a time? (joke)
7. So the three dragons...they're the real Faron, Lanayru, and Eldin, right? So what are those Light Spirits or whatever in TP that obviously don't look like dragons? What about Ordona? I'm guessing those three represent the the three goddesses since they're named after them? Ordona, I'm going to hypothesize, is just a guardian of Hyrule's less-important provinces that aren't mentioned (left to the imagination) in TP/SS (I mean, c'mon, Hyrule would be SMALL if it were only those 3-4 places)
Despite all this, I was happy with it lol. The origin story of so much of Zelda-lore was very nice, even if I feel it only addressed about 30% of anything. Le sigh.
I might have more questions later, too
1. It isn't clear how far into the past the time shift stone move time. Judging by the sea turned to desert it is thousands of years. Notably I don't think it is mentioned how long into the past the mirror takes you. You can't expect the devs to handcuff cool ideas like the desert/sea because of TP. The most obvious and cool thing is that the Temple of Time looks quite like the Arbiter's Grounds. (This brings up a TP question. Is the Twilight Realm another world or is it Hyrule in the distant past or future, changed so much it no longer resembles itself)
2. Maybe Gorons live far away and don't establish themselves in Hyrule until later, so the ones in SS are just tourists. Evolution for Zoras is possible (they evolved to bird in WW) same for Kikwis who evolved from OoT to WW too.
3. Din, Nayru and Farore came first. Someone else posted about the Japanese Royal family being an inspiration for Hylia which makes sense. Nothing has contradicted the origin of the world story told by the Deku Tree in OoT.
4. Calling Link a human was notable to me too. However it seems like Hylian can be considered a nationality and the characters have always been humans. It would seem Hyrule doesn't exist as a kingdom until after Skyward Sword
5. The SS ToT becomes Arbiter's Grounds imo, the Temple of the Goddess become the new ToT and stays where it is decaying in TP and completely gone by LttP. I think it is more likely Hyrule Castle moves, after all it was destroyed in OoT. It isn't hard to imagine the forest consuming the ToT over the ages.
6. The Sheikah question is interesting. I don't think it needs answering in game but they are clearly an ancient group even in Skyward Sword. They might be kind of Jedi Knights for Hylia in her battle against Demise and they went on to protect the Royal Family because of Zelda being Hylia.
7. They are magic dragons, they can pretty much do what they want. If they turned into something else they might've done it for a reason or on a whim who knows. Maybe the gods got pissed at the water dragon for being a dick and had them replaced.
I think Skyward Sword explained as much as it can without getting itself in a midichlorian situation. More explanation about Demise, Hylia and their war might seem cool but I doubt it wouldn't end up with another backstory needing explained. The robots were cool and it seems like the land had a more technological civilisation in the past, probably wiped out by the gods they have a tendency to do that it seems.
Chip N Chance
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Could have fooled me. When he pulls the master sword out, they sure make it look like he's time traveling, in the Temple of Ttime no less.
Edit: Sleeping for 10 years and then going back to your former self is still time traveling.
Time traveling makes my head hurt.
TheCongressman1
Member
It says that he was sealed away in the sacred realm for 7 years. So, yeah. He does, but he doesn't.
mdtauk
Member
He is transported to the Chamber of Sages, where he sleeps for 7 years. It is explained the first time you pull the sword.
And guess who built a store over the seal of Demise...
...
Ok, maybe that's too much.
Well there is a slight resemblance. Really though I kind of wish all those guys showed up in the game. I wonder if they were all weapons? Maybe Hylia broke through them all but Ghirahim.
Yep. Missed opportunity here and that bothers me... they could have developed Fi much much better. Shame, cause I liked Fi.
Indeed. I was seriously expecting to fight a few more developed villains.
Fi should have had more of a deadpan snarky sense of humor. They were off to a good start when she poked fun at oral legends(and by extension the series itself), but they failed to ever follow through on that and instead limited her humor to percentage "jokes."
It's funny how Ghirahim's personality makes complete sense once you know he's an evil sword.
It's funny how Ghirahim's personality makes complete sense once you know he's an evil sword.
whatevermort
Member
I know some people don't buy that the humans on Skyloft can become the Oocca, evolution being what it is, but they do all seem awfully close to their birds...
jump_button
Banned
So we saw the root of Ganondorf but not the start, I was think that Groose would step in or something :/ Still feel like they stuff that happen before this game so it not the full start of it all but it is the start of link getting mix up in it all
What I got from the game was, Demise and Goddess were opposing primal forces of sort and the humans of that era some cave men. So this is pretty much the beginning.
The goddess did have a chosen hero back in her day though. Still thought I'm sure this is the first too. This game is literally the legend of zelda. We find out that Zelda is the human reincarnation of Hylia and we find out the reason why there's a chosen hero. We also finally find out why the hero, zelda, and whatever evil is around at the time always get brought together.
jump_button
Banned
Like I say it the start of Link getting mix into this, we don't know why she did this and see as how they know how to play with time we could see a link going back that far? or maybe play as the Goddess..... I wish
I think next big Zelda will be Demise reborn into Ganondorf
I don't think going farther back would be very interesting. Clash of the gods and apocalypse... they work as a backstory, but what the hell could you play there :b
It already exists and is called Ocarina of Time.
You are the one designing all the temples lying around Hyrule.
Crash Station
Member
Just beat it and I feel really stupid for not figuring out the old woman was Impa earlier :/
What triggers it is that while doing the Lanayru desert portion, you talk to the goron near the area. If you really want to do lanayru second, just don't talk to the Goron after beating the dragon's part.
Just do the eldin area second if you want to be really safe. But seriously, this bug is extremely extremely extremely hard to get. You would have to do very unusual things for it to trigger. I did Lanayru first and had no problems.
MisterHero
Super Member
Yep, also I bet if you could look behind the doors in the past before you fight Demise, that there'd be 2 Zeldas
which would be neat
kunonabi
Member
I like Zelda 2's version better.
Another thing I noticed is that the "loftwing" or bird symbol that accompanies the Triforce was established long before SS happens. See the many symbols such as the one on the door to the "stasis" chamber and the huge monument at the Temple of Time!
Interesting!
Also you guys ever wonder if the giant robot statues in Lanaryu were actually functional at one point?
The game clearly tells you where to go first. There's really no reason to go there and talk to the goron before the right time.
But still I'm glad I didn't make that mistake!
Interesting!
Also you guys ever wonder if the giant robot statues in Lanaryu were actually functional at one point?
The game clearly tells you where to go first. There's really no reason to go there and talk to the goron before the right time.
But still I'm glad I didn't make that mistake!
MisterHero
Super Member
I thought I was going to bring them back to life
1 of them was just a larger version of the Skipper robot (his house), so probably not as well
Well I have spoken to the Goron, but that was after already getting the first sword flame enhancement, so I should be safe?
For all of you wanting voice acting in the game would you want it to sound like this? I thought it was pretty good for a fandub
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=lYvFIkIRYS8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=lYvFIkIRYS8
This is after the flame enchantments. The glitch happens after the sixth dungeon. You will have to go to the three areas, in any order you want. If you do lanayru first, don't talk to the goron outside of the cave after completing the lanayru portion of the quest.
Octorockin'
Member
That was good, especially the evil laugh at the end.
I say yes to voice acting in the next Zelda game if it can be delivered with passion like that. The music and high quality animation in Skyward Sword backed up the emotional scenes, but voice talent can definitely do the same.
What giant robot statues?
Octorockin'
Member
I think he might be referring to the statue-like objects right when you enter the desert for the first time. I didn't even consider that they might have been functioning robots, but anyway it makes me wish the whole place got restored to it's former glory even more. : (
Actually, I just realized:
The bird symbol you see everywhere doesn't JUST represent the loftwings. It also represents Hylia herself.
If you look at the pillars in the background, you'll see little carvings of Hylia. Look at the shape of her body, and the wings coming off of it. It's fairly similar to the wings and body of the hylian symbol.
(also, I think it's funny that Hylia appears to be left handed in these carvings)
But yeah, take a look at a goddess cube:
Same body and wings, no bird legs in this one.
The bird symbol you see everywhere doesn't JUST represent the loftwings. It also represents Hylia herself.
If you look at the pillars in the background, you'll see little carvings of Hylia. Look at the shape of her body, and the wings coming off of it. It's fairly similar to the wings and body of the hylian symbol.
(also, I think it's funny that Hylia appears to be left handed in these carvings)
But yeah, take a look at a goddess cube:
Same body and wings, no bird legs in this one.
I imagined him with more of a Frieza voice.
Okay, now I'm convinced. Voice acting needs to be in the next Zelda should they take this route again.
I'm not saying text is bad, or it's outdated. But for the first time it feels right to have it. And I know I might be in the minority, but make link speaks also. I know it's breaking the tradition but I think it could be interesting to see that.
Okay, now I'm 100% sure. Zelda needs voice acting. NEEDS!
Crash Station
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Lord Ghirahim
Member
Actually, I just realized:
The bird symbol you see everywhere doesn't JUST represent the loftwings. It also represents Hylia herself.
If you look at the pillars in the background, you'll see little carvings of Hylia. Look at the shape of her body, and the wings coming off of it. It's fairly similar to the wings and body of the hylian symbol.
(also, I think it's funny that Hylia appears to be left handed in these carvings)
But yeah, take a look at a goddess cube:
Same body and wings, no bird legs in this one.
Nice catch!
did you say this because you imagined him with more of a frieza voice or because you knew his voice was the actual frieza voice?
disclaimer: ghirahim's voice is not the actual frieza voice.
rollingstart
Banned
If Ghirahim had a voice actor, it would need to be the guy who voice Hisoka in the original Hunter X Hunter series, preferably speaking a gibberish language.
see this is why i don't want it. just doesn't sound as good as i would have wanted it. too overdramatic (like ghirahim, sure, but i think ghirahim's actions are overdramatic by himself and the voice doesn't need to be). by that i mainly mean the constant shifts between talk and whisper. also, i imagined there being a quick build up to the sick with anger line.
i always heard it as:
do you have any idea how that made me feel inside?
outraged, furious, SICK with anger!
instead the guy goes:
do-you-hhhhave aaaany idea how that made me feel inside?
outraged! furious! sick! with!! anger!!!
the way i imagined it builds up with the first line, posing an actual question to link, his voice going up a the end instead of a low whisper. the second line comes faster, and continues to build until 'sick with anger,' with an emphasis on the word 'sick'
TheCongressman1
Member
Because you have seen it without, and now you're seeing it with it. It won't be so much of a problem when that's the only way you'll see it.
But it's not. It just sounds like him.
oh. well nevermind then.
Because you have seen it without, and now you're seeing it with it. It won't be so much of a problem when that's the only way you'll see it.
and also because my way is a whole lot better.
rollingstart
Banned
AniHawk is right here. It's actually the difference between Hisoka in the old and new Hunter X Hunter anime. The first voice actor was really subtle and it not only made everything he said eerie, but when he went crazy, it had a much bigger impact. The newer guy is just over the top and theatrical. That dub is the same way.
To be fair he's only working with what was given to him. He's dubbing the text as it comes in, which is slooooow in SS. If the game is designed around it, it w/could be more natural.
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