Yeah no goaltender is going to be insane against the Nucks in the playoffs for the rest of time.
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NHL December |OT| The Team You Cheer For is Not Good Compared To Our Team
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sazabirules
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Shouldn't you also hope Luongo doesn't shit the bed again?
God forbid I ever agree with Tabris on anything, but he's right. This statement (and Bruce's) are eight grades of unadulterated horseshit. The Sedins take a significant amount of abuse, night in and night out, protect the puck better than nearly anyone in the league, and still manage to not only contribute, but thrive. They deliver hits - more than a few - and take more than their share. I can say with absolute certainty that each and every one of your respective teams' GMs would crawl naked over broken glass to get a chance at their services in free agency - ol' Double B tried and failed. Leafs culture in a nutshell lol
That's physical play in a nutshell, not running all over the ice like Hartnell or Tootoo. Anybody can do their job.
I'd be hard pressed to say they deliver "checks" as much as much as deliver some serious middle school dry humping to their target.
Pretty much this.
You don't have to be throwing thunderous hits all the time to be a physical player. The Sedins obviously aren't intimidating anyone with their size, but their game is built on core body strength and the way they use their bodies to out-muscle people along the wall/protect the puck.
tough being on the other side. that AND with Schenn sitting out with a concussion it just makes the trade so ..weird.
Doctor West
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I feel bad for Schenn, that kid can't seem to catch a break.
Sedins have thrown more hits than Patrick Kane.
and that matters to me....why?
well since we're throwing out random facts
Number of Stanley Cups
Kane - 1
Sedins - 0
hartnell is indeed a wrecking ball but he's been doing much more than that this year, which is great.
I see what you're saying bish, but everything that tabris was listing was part of "one-dimensional play" which is what I pointed out.
I feel as if there's more to the game then what they do on the ice though. Yeah they take the big hits but I feel like they're robots at times, lifeless even. If someone hits you, why not give them a hardy hit back? I mean you can make the argument "they hit back with their scoring" but they could be doing both at the same time. making a hit or hard backchecking is a huge part of the game that they just ..lack. That's why some are saying they're one dimensional, in which I have to agree.
*take note I've only watched a handful of 'nuck games, but from that, this is what I saw.
LOL!
but also...
So we're dividing forwards into two dimensions and giving them equal weight? Scoring and big hitting? Seriously? What a retarded debate.
The Sedins are durable. They take plenty of abuse every night and miss very few games. There's value in that and anyone who doesn't agree needs to give the knee-jerk hate a rest.
The Sedins are durable. They take plenty of abuse every night and miss very few games. There's value in that and anyone who doesn't agree needs to give the knee-jerk hate a rest.
brucewaynegretzky
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Ok. This is ridiculous. I've NEVER said that the Sedins aren't great players. But for fuck's sake, they play a very particular type of game and aren't very good at a lot of other important aspects of the game. Players like them certainly serve a very important purpose, but they excel in one area and need help in others. There's a reason that the Sedins are the types of players that their coaches try to get "matchups" for. You are trying to emphasize their skills. Compare that to the Girouxs, Toews, Richards, Kopitars, Getzlafs, etc. Those are the types of players you ALWAYS want on the ice. The Sedins are not that type of player at all. It's just a different role. I think the all around players are more impressive personally, clearly Nucks-Age disagrees.... Whatever. Why is everyone so up in arms about the statement that they don't play a complete game? MOST players don't MOST superstars don't. Even Crosby had to significantly improve his defensive game after entering the NHL. Gretzky wasn't much of a PK guy either.....
PS Hartnell has 26 points and and can lay a guy out. Call him a tough guy all you want but the guy produces too. I would
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I would definitely take Toews over both of them though.
brucewaynegretzky
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I would take any of the guys I listed over them. I just think that's the type of player you build a team around.
EDIT: Saw t0mp's post. Add Kesler to the list of people I'd take over them too.
I hate getting into debates but I hope that's not how I sounded..
I'm just saying there's obviously some extremely different play-styles such as:
you name it, they do it:
Kesler, Giroux, etc.
offense, durable, whatever you wanna call it:
Sedins, Kane, etc.
edit: fuck, me and bruce said the same thing, but he made it more wordy
and I'd take Toews over the Sedins in a heartbeat too. whata beautiful player. no homo.
TemplaerDude
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Blah blah blah blah sedins blah blah blah you suck blah blah blah my team is garbage blah blah blah i wish i cheered for the canucks blah blah blah.
Go Canucks!
Go Canucks!
yea i agree with you, if i had a fantasy draft and could take any of those guys you listed over the Sedins i would.
A great two-way center is a wonderful foundation.
But they always lose those games.....I'm gonna trust you on this one man.
:lol sons of bitches......maybe it was Martin and Guathier playing on the other teams last night cause that made me want to delete my player
I hate getting into debates but I hope that's not how I sounded..
I'm just saying there's obviously some extremely different play-styles such as:
you name it, they do it:
Kesler, Giroux, etc.
offense, durable, whatever you wanna call it:
Sedins, Kane, etc.
edit: fuck, me and bruce said the same thing, but he made it more wordy
and I'd take Toews over the Sedins in a heartbeat too. whata beautiful player. no homo.
I hope you have a few hours to kill, socreges has you in his sights
kidding Socreges, I see what you guys are saying, Sedins put up great O numbers and that itself is a valuable asset, can't say i like their play style but it's not like they can't survive in this nhl.
brucewaynegretzky
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I hope you have a few hours to kill, socreges has you in his sights
kidding Socreges, I see what you guys are saying, Sedins put up great O numbers and that itself is a valuable asset, can't say i like their play style but it's not like they can't survive in this nhl.
Apparently statements like these are an affront to all that Canucks-Nations finds holy....
I think it's worth pointing out that the Sedins used to kill penalties, but Vigneault stopped playing them on the PK because he wanted to limit their defensive minutes so they could have more ES/PP time and provide the team with more scoring.
That's not to say they're great defensive forwards along the lines of a Toews, Kesler, Datsyuk, etc...I just think we're underplaying their defensive game a little bit, although I will say that their defensive play seems to have regressed a little bit compared to where they used to be.
They're probably somewhere in between what Tabris and Bruce are making them out to be.
That's not to say they're great defensive forwards along the lines of a Toews, Kesler, Datsyuk, etc...I just think we're underplaying their defensive game a little bit, although I will say that their defensive play seems to have regressed a little bit compared to where they used to be.
They're probably somewhere in between what Tabris and Bruce are making them out to be.
vatstep
This poster pulses with an appeal so broad the typical restraints of our societies fall by the wayside.
Pitching a shut-out in Game 7 of the Finals in Canada, on the road. How epic is that, guys? I know, I know, the Canucks didn't show up that game, etc. Still: Game 7. Shut-out. Hostile territory. Legendary.
brucewaynegretzky
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What am I making them out to be? It's not like compared them to Semin.... They're below average in a few important aspects of the game. Is that REALLY controversial?
I don't think they're below average defensively. I think they're about average defensively. If they were below average defensive players they would have never seen the light of day on a penalty kill.
TemplaerDude
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Can we not talk about this? My crying pillow is in the laundry.
CrazedArabMan
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Seems a little hostile in here today.
Hey they're 4-1-2 in their last 7, with 3 of those wins on the road...
You are fucking crazy if you wouldn't take the Sedins over any of those players.
They have a better +/- than Giroux
You would take Richards over a Sedin. That is a laughful. That is exactly like saying you would take Richards over Ovechkin because Ovechkin can't play defensively. What a garbage statement.
Sedins are factually the best two offensive players in the league over the last 2.3 years. This is including the playoffs. They have more points in two years of playoffs than any other player in those 2 years. This is a fact.
They have a better +/- than Giroux
You would take Richards over a Sedin. That is a laughful. That is exactly like saying you would take Richards over Ovechkin because Ovechkin can't play defensively. What a garbage statement.
Sedins are factually the best two offensive players in the league over the last 2.3 years. This is including the playoffs. They have more points in two years of playoffs than any other player in those 2 years. This is a fact.
TemplaerDude
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You know, sometimes I really hate this thread.
brucewaynegretzky
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I will also add that if I'm ever in this fantasy situation where I have the opportunity to draft from the complete pool of NHL players to build a hockey team I would like Tabris to be one of the GM's I'm competing against.
Building an actual hockey team isn't like building a fantasy team. Defensive zone play is equally important to offensive zone play. I would take any of those players over the Sedins every. single. time.
Straw men all over the place. Come on, that's brutal.
We're addressing the repeated statements that "of course they're durable since they're not physical". They were soft when they entered the league and struggled for several seasons. For sure. But then finally bulked up a bit and learned how to use their bodies to absorb checks, protect the puck and win battles along the boards. It's either stupid or ignorant to discount that. The funny part is that I'm pretty sure Penis/Forza was just trolling Tabris, but you came in and adopted the argument sincerely.
Did the Bruins ever detail the injuries that their players suffered in the playoffs? The Sharks did, and the Canucks' litany of injuries leaked out one by one afterwards, but I figured the Bruins didn't bother since they were the Champs. Always wondered how healthy/unhealthy they were in comparison.vatstep said:
Crazymoogle
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Spire, what's the deal with Malkin? TSN is too busy being concussion-concussion-tebow-concussion
Of course, Drogo turned out to be only as short-lived as the Leafs 2010 playoff hopes.
Of course, Drogo turned out to be only as short-lived as the Leafs 2010 playoff hopes.
There's just something unsettling about seeing this come from a poster with a Brady avatar
brucewaynegretzky
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You think that's what Bish's post was saying too? I'm pretty sure every single post I've made has been pretty damn deferential to them as amazing hockey players, yet somehow Bish and Tabris make it seems like I'm calling them busts or something. Tabris is Tabris, but it was more Bish's post that kept me on the topic for as long as I was.
TemplaerDude
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Brady gives me a reason to be happy. The Canucks find ways to make me cry like a little girl.
This is the funniest thing I have ever read.
The flu. Him and Staal are game-time decisions. If they don't play, either Vitale or Dupuis will be our #1 center, which is absurd. I guess the good news is this madness will probably only last for one game, both should be back soon.
Dastardly Jerks
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So you're saying that when Ovechkin was hot, you would have taken Mike Richards over Ovechkin? Because Ovechkin can't play two way? Because that's exactly what you're saying now. You are saying you would take a two-way forward than the most offensive players in the league. And once again, better +/- than both Mike Richards and Claude Giroux this season.
Also, you disappoint me as a Canucks fan CCF23.
Also, you disappoint me as a Canucks fan CCF23.
I don't see an Art Ross there, and I don't see two of them. I also don't see ANY playoff scoring. Consistency is important. This is something Corey Perry doesn't have. He got voted the Hart because he single handily got ANA to the playoffs last year but he wasn't that good before that amazing 2 month run, and that line is doing bad this year in comparison.
What you also don't see is the Stanley Cup ring on his left hand.
Simon Belmont
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Well I'm a be writing an exam tonight so as usual, won't be posting during the game. Go Leafs!
P.S. Why does anybody indulge Tabris?
P.S. Why does anybody indulge Tabris?
TemplaerDude
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I doubt he cares about your disappointment. CCF is the biggest Canucks fan I know personally.
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