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Don't know about 2 or 3, but Tsurara's change from minor side character to probably the 1st or 2nd main heroine was pretty noticeable.

I can't believe you just took the 10000th reply from me.

(well technically, that's 10,000 posts and this is 10000 replies =V)
 
What? Sano gets a ton of time in the manga and has a ton of fights himself. He gets Worfed a few times but mostly to set up the villains and it's usually somewhat conditional (he's injured or something like that).

Big One has a point, Naruto, DBZ, and Bleach are kind of outliers in regards to its characters. They literally sideline and make their cast useless or become jobbers for the popular ones or whatever crazy thing they have going on. In a lot of shonen fight manga and even seinen versions of them, the primary cast remains for much of it and are featured through the entire thing with their own fights and trials. Even if the main character is stronger than the rest of them, most of the team isn't that far behind in terms of skills and powers.

It’s just that Naruto is by far the worst offender by having every high ranked ninja be completely useless, there not even competent at jobbing.
The whole village of named ninjas where useless against pain except for naruto and his chibi clone, and look at this war arc naruto single handled turned the war around plus saving every ninjas ass on the side.

Naruo > the 5 kages and the 5 ninja villages

kenshin
Well am still early on in the anime(ep15) I can understand him getting beat to show off how strong the bad guy is but you don't need to do it all the bloody time(i think i should switch to manga since some of this maybe filler).
 
Man i figure that was going to happen anyway to tell the truth .

Yeah the school friends faded out of relevance ages ago, there only there to show Nura is part human and to be damsels in distress really. I thought maybe they were going to come back when omnou girl was supposedly teaching them to defend themselves but that was so long ago and we only really saw recently that she gave them some random item.


I wouldn't have called her a minor side character either, she was one of the most prominent of the Yokai from the start really due to her being Nura's school bodygaurd
 
It’s just that Naruto is by far the worst offender by having every high ranked ninja be completely useless, there not even competent at jobbing.
The whole village of named ninjas where useless against pain except for naruto and his chibi clone, and look at this war arc naruto single handled turned the war around plus saving every ninjas ass on the side.

Naruo > the 5 kages and the 5 ninja villages

kenshin
Well am still early on in the anime(ep15) I can understand him getting beat to show off how strong the bad guy is but you don't need to do it all the bloody time(i think i should switch to manga since some of this maybe filler).

Kenshin's anime literally got cancelled due to shitty filler. Don't watch it, just read it, imo.
 
What? Sano gets a ton of time in the manga and has a ton of fights himself. He gets Worfed a few times but mostly to set up the villains and it's usually somewhat conditional (he's injured or something like that).

Big One has a point, Naruto, DBZ, and Bleach are kind of outliers in regards to its characters. They literally sideline and make their cast useless or become jobbers for the popular ones or whatever crazy thing they have going on. In a lot of shonen fight manga and even seinen versions of them, the primary cast remains for much of it and are featured through the entire thing with their own fights and trials. Even if the main character is stronger than the rest of them, most of the team isn't that far behind in terms of skills and powers.

Eh, I don't know if I would really include Bleach in that. If anything, the rest of the cast doesn't get sidelined enough. The Fake Karakura Town arc took way too long for that reason.
 
I don't think Bleach has quite the same problem, the main cast is always pretty on par with everyone as each arc progresses, they just don't really get focus. This all changed with the Fullbringer arc and then BAM, Shinigami. Never really like the Shinigami taking importance in the series.

Ishidia and Ichigo fighting Ginjou should've been a great fight but it ended up as being just Ichigo vs Ginjou and now Ginjou is crying cause why me sad
 
kenshin

Well am still early on in the anime(ep15) I can understand him getting beat to show off how strong the bad guy is but you don't need to do it all the bloody time(i think i should switch to manga since some of this maybe filler).

Well your going to have to read the manga if you want to read the ending .
Plus the last few arcs in the TV series is filler and then you have the anime ending that was a OVA.
Which was so much fucking trash compare to the manga ending , i can't tell you how much i hate that fucking anime ending to Kenshin fucking hate it.

Still you should watch the anime just for the The Kyoto Arc which was awesome.
 
After seeing most youkai ranking above most humans, the humans basically got sidelined and the youkai started fighting a lot more (this is around the time Fear was first introduced). Before then it was about 60% human-youkai episodic shenanigans.
Rikuo basically went "well shit, time to be badass" and became badass. His human form was really wishy-washy but he's a full-on dude now.

I don't have any proof but it seemed pretty obvious to me that the humans discovering the secret, and the entire thing becoming large scale, were also because of how fans reacted to the entire secret concept (it was dumb to begin with and the only purpose was to make the human hijinks episodic)

And of course Tsurara over Kana (whether in human hijinks on in the serious stuff). Dunno if you could see it coming or something but the shift in focus was a dang shift in focus. It happened a bit later after Fear, and JUST after the first popularity poll

I wouldn't have called her a minor side character either, she was one of the most prominent of the Yokai from the start really due to her being Nura's school bodygaurd
But consider just how much Kana had over her. She was constantly shown suspecting Rikuo and picking up on hints and stuff, and then.. 80 chapters of not being there.

Pretty easy to see that came from being super low in the polls
 
Side note after watching more EPs of Mirai Nikki , Yuno has to be the queen of yandere.
Was wondering if the anime was fallowing the Manga story line good or not ?

I must also say i love her char .
 
A Bride's Story vol 2

This was good too. I really liked Pariya, she's more upfront/impulsive than the other women. The fight between Amira's new family and her old family to get her back to give her away to the Numaji had a good conclusion, and made a little more of a man of Karluk.
The clean and beautiful art as well as the relaxed tone of the work keep surprising me.
also, the maid Mr. Smith was talking about, shown in one panel as a flashback, looked like Emma, which was a nice touch.
 
Side note after watching more EPs of Mirai Nikki , Yuno has to be the queen of yandere.
Was wondering if the anime was fallowing the Manga story line good or not ?

I must also say i love her char .

She's been listed as "Goddess of Yandere" on TVTropes for years now
 
That arc wasn't even good. It would be ludicrous if either Kiba or Rock Lee was capable of fighting any path of Pain.

It's only ludicrous at that point because they've been practically standing still/become a non-entity since the timeskip (if they developed at all during, can't tell because the only person who had a fight since the timeskip was Shikimaru)

It doesn't make sense that the entire village including Kakashi and the Hokage got individual owned by each path of Pain, but the Konoha 11 random members can fight them.

Naruto is in the conversation for strongest person in the entire ninja world.

It would make sense, the theme that was banded around for a majority of this manga was the new generation suppassing the old, however this has warped to it only being Naruto (and Sasuske) now, the Pain arc was a good chance of extending this to beyond just him.

Because they *shouldn't* have grown as much as Naruto has?

I see Freshmaker's "lol genetics" thing, but it's kind of the point in many shonen that the protagnist is special. It doesn't make sense that the entire village including Kakashi and the Hokage, but the Konoha 11 random members can fight them.

I mean, fuck Hinata tried and got fucking owned. That's kind of the point...he surpassed them a long time ago to the point he's literally the most powerful and important person in the whole Fire country. I mean, sure it's power inflation, but welcome to modern shonen.

Define "modern" to me, this silly power inflation has always been there i.e DBZ (leave me alone it was my earliest Shonen experience), and Naruto was "above" all that in the first part of the manga, it's also one of the main points of appreciation that I have of HxH and One Piece at current.
 
Toriko 169:

All that "Batman" level planning from Coco and the game still ends in a fight. At least Livebearer was dealt with in one panel.

Beelzebub 137:

Hopefully the Jabberwocky's battle ends next chapter so we can get back to more comedy stories. Otherwise this chapter wasn't anything special and was even less entertaining than the previous "battle" chapters since Oga's training.
 
Wolf Guy handles the paneling so fucking terribly when it tries to do flashbacks. When they were switching between flashbacks of various characters in those couple of chapters I had no idea what I was following or what the fuck I was reading, and then all of a sudden Wolf Guy starts ranting about how being a wolf is noble and is NOTHING like being a dog or something.

I think the detective/reporter dude is really awesome though so there's that saving grace

Nope, there's no saving grace for Wolf Guy. Shit sucks.
 
Vinland Saga

I love historical mangas, but I got burnt by Historie's largely inane twist, and steered away from mangas with European history as its subject. Then today I just decided to read Vinland Saga, seeing as it got good reviews here in NeoGaf.

Thank you guys, it was a fucking blast. Story was well researched, and the twists in the story are amazing.

A+

Btw, anyone knows any other great historical (or slice-of-life seinen) mangas?
 
GE Good Ending 108

At this point, if the series is somehow able to twist its way back to an Utsumi/Yuki pairing, I will fly to Japan myself to punch Sasuga Kei in the face.

But of course it will, since we still haven't dealt fully with Touru yet. Better start saving up for those plane tickets.
 
Nope, there's no saving grace for Wolf Guy. Shit sucks.
Well the only reason I like him is because he bring comedic relief and he is one of the few male characters who isn't a rapist that happens to have a personality. It's what happens when you insert a character with a likable personality into the manga...which isn't the case with everyone else
 
I love historical mangas, but I got burnt by Historie's largely inane twist, and steered away from mangas with European history as its subject.

Not sure which twist you're referring to, but you gotta admit nobody else really tries to write in that timeframe.

echothreealpha said:
Then today I just decided to read Vinland Saga, seeing as it got good reviews here in NeoGaf.
Thank you guys, it was a fucking blast. Story was well researched, and the twists in the story are amazing.

Did you read the author's previous work, PLANETES, yet? It's not historical but it's also really well done.

Btw, anyone knows any other great historical (or slice-of-life seinen) mangas?

I'm sure there might be some better examples I'm forgetting, but...

Vagabond: (Musashi Miyamoto, 1600's Japan) Probably the most obvious suggestion. Kind of makes its own story, but the real history of Miyamoto is a bit spotty, the setting is really carried over well, and obviously Inoue is a great storyteller.

Cesare (Cesare Borgia, 1400's Italy) I guess kind of overexposed lately due to the TV show and Assassin's Creed, but Soryo is a good author and she tells a much different tale than those two products I mentioned. It's a compelling socio-political tale.

Otomegatari (A Bride's Story, in english, shockingly Yen Press has a few volumes out here) is arguably another title. The characters aren't real, but it does weave an interesting tale of life on the Silk Road in the 1900's.
 
When I first read that, I just thought it meant that the Marines were getting wider jurisdiction and more political power.
same here. the marines probably have the authority now to do pretty much what they want with no restrictions. need supplies? go to any island and take everything or force people from the island to enlist in the marines.
 
same here. the marines probably have the authority now to do pretty much what they want with no restrictions. need supplies? go to any island and take everything or force people from the island to enlist in the marines.
That seems like the sort of thing that would make even more pirates
 
That seems like the sort of thing that would make even more pirates
anybody that rebels is probably killed off fast. akainu wouldn't stand for anybody disregarding his way of justice. although the marines probably only control the 1st half of the grandline with an iron fist. the new world is where they are probably fighting for power. although i wonder if dragon is having a much tougher time taking over islands now that akainu is the head of the marines. although the marines ruling the 1st half of the grandline with an iron fist would probably help out the revolutionaries in the long run.
 
It would make sense, the theme that was banded around for a majority of this manga was the new generation suppassing the old, however this has warped to it only being Naruto (and Sasuske) now, the Pain arc was a good chance of extending this to beyond just him.

Actually Kishimoto had been planning the entirety of the Pain since part I. It was supposed to be Naruto's homecoming (ie, similar to how Goku arrived on planet Namek and started kicking ass) the day he finally gets recognized by the villagers are a true hero.

Honestly to the people who actually care about the other konoha rookies. I didn't think its a waste of time to get angry at their lack of screen time, Kishi has made it clear he doesn't really care about them.
 
Actually Kishimoto had been planning the entirety of the Pain since part I. It was supposed to be Naruto's homecoming (ie, similar to how Goku arrived on planet Namek and started kicking ass) the day he finally gets recognized by the villagers are a true hero.
Did Goku also talk his way to "peace" and mass revival jutsu on planet Namek?
 
Did Goku also talk his way to "peace" and mass revival jutsu on planet Namek?

Lol I've already admitted that the ending part of the Pain arc is complete and utter shit. Also dude, its fucking DBZ, people come back to life at the drop of a hat. Everything before it is gravy though, I and I much prefer Naruto's fight vs Pein to Goku fighting Freeza (Freeza pretty much wrecked him till he went SSJ and from there he couldn't even touch Goku. Talk about a lopsided fight >_>)
 
Honestly to the people who actually care about the other konoha rookies. I didn't think its a waste of time to get angry at their lack of screen time, Kishi has made it clear he doesn't really care about them.
That's his problem, not the fan's. It's definitely worth the massive amount of criticism it gets above anything else in Naruto
 
Actually Kishimoto had been planning the entirety of the Pain since part I. It was supposed to be Naruto's homecoming (ie, similar to how Goku arrived on planet Namek and started kicking ass) the day he finally gets recognized by the villagers are a true hero.
Comparing Naruto coming to fight Pain to Goku stomping people the fuck out on Namek?

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Why do you disagree? How are they different, thats what I want to know. Naruto / Goku both come in at the last minute to save Namek/Konoha. Kakashi/Vegeta died prior to fighting Pain/Freeza, and its up to Sage Mode Naruto/SSJ Goku to kick said person's ass. Instead of using a generic, overused forum weapon why not actually respond to my post with an actual argument?
 
Honestly to the people who actually care about the other konoha rookies. I didn't think its a waste of time to get angry at their lack of screen time, Kishi has made it clear he doesn't really care about them.

The problem was that he did seem to care until Part 2 and hence why there is an arguement.


Did Goku also talk his way to "peace" and mass revival jutsu on planet Namek?


"peace"? no

"mass revival jutsu"? in a way :)
 
Why do you disagree? How are they different, thats what I want to know. Naruto / Goku both come in at the last minute to save Namek/Konoha. Kakashi/Vegeta died prior to fighting Pain/Freeza, and its up to Sage Mode Naruto/SSJ Goku to kick said person's ass. Instead of using a generic, overused forum weapon why not actually respond to my post with an actual argument?
There is some pretty glarring differences:

  • Freeza was responsible for the death of Goku's entire race, the destruction of his planet, and fucking up Namek too. Pain was responsible for being the supposed leader of Akatsuki and wanting to destroy Konoha, who ended up being a sympathetic character who finally got defeated by Naruto talking him out of it.
  • There was more of a character focus in Freeza arc rather than a storyline focus. The story was there, but was motivated completely by the characters. Pain on the other hand is completely story centric and the entire reason Naruto wants to fight Pain has nothing to do with his personal wants more-so than his want to prove to Kohona that he's awesome.
  • We also never got the worst arc in the history of manga before the Freeza arc in Dragonball which helps a lot.
  • Goku is still far more GAR than Naruto's skinny ass.
 
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