NHL December |OT| The Team You Cheer For is Not Good Compared To Our Team

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Wilson is the eternal scapegoat, but he definitely doesn't deserve to be fired right now.

Who are the Leafs' PK specialists? They just don't seem to have that many.

Mr "I know everything about everything in hockey" you dont know squat about the Leafs or Wilson.
 
once again....

wilson is the only coach in NHL history to have his team last in power play and last in penalty kill

he's done it twice.

Wilson is still making a career off of other peoples career (San Jose players)

he's like a 419 coach...
 
Crosby officially put on IR. Not surprising.

Our next game is against Chicago, a match-up I'm really looking forward to even with our roster decimated. Hopefully we can get a couple more D-men healthy and maybe Staal to give us at least a fighting chance.
 
Crosby officially put on IR. Not surprising.

Our next game is against Chicago, a match-up I'm really looking forward to even with our roster decimated. Hopefully we can get a couple more D-men healthy and maybe Staal to give us at least a fighting chance.

Stanley Cup previews in December are always awesome.
 
Stanley Cup previews in December are always awesome.

Yes they are.

In other news, Malkin is 4th in points now, second in points per game behind Giroux (I'm not counting Crosby). His knee still hurts him a bit but it's getting better and it's clear he's finding his stride. He's had 12 points in his last five games, I expect him to be leading by January.
 
Ditch Columbus and the Central's record over their last 10 games:

Chicago 8-1-1
Detroit 7-3-0
St Louis 7-1-2
Nashville 7-3-0

nasty.
 
Yes they are.

In other news, Malkin is 4th in points now, second in points per game behind Giroux (I'm not counting Crosby). His knee still hurts him a bit but it's getting better and it's clear he's finding his stride. He's had 12 points in his last five games, I expect him to be leading by January.

Rest Crosby until the playoffs and ride a motivated Malkin until then?
 
Rest Crosby until the playoffs and ride a motivated Malkin until then?

I said it before the season started and I'll still stand by it, Malkin can lead this team to the Cup. The last time Malkin was motivated he won the Conn Smythe. He kinda drifted along these past two years and was never really in the scoring race but now he's got that fire in his belly again. He's clicking really well with Neal and Kunitz, he plays better defensively with each passing game it seems (I saw him make plays in our end this game that I don't think I've ever seen him make) and he's only going to get better as his knee stop bothering him. If our defense can get healthy (I'd say about 60% of the goals scored on us this past month have been due to a bad play by an AHL call-up) and find its rhythm, we'll be a pretty badass team.

As for Crosby, I've considered him a cool bonus this entire season, it's sad but he's just not part of our core right now. If he plays? Fantastic. If not? Oh well. I hope we can get back to Crosby being a reliable factor in our schedule but that just hasn't been the case for over a year now.
 
I said it before the season started and I'll still stand by it, Malkin can lead this team to the Cup. The last time Malkin was motivated he won the Conn Smythe. He kinda drifted along these past two years and was never really in the scoring race but now he's got that fire in his belly again. He's clicking really well with Neal and Kunitz, he plays better defensively with each passing game it seems (I saw him make plays in our end this game that I don't think I've ever seen him make) and he's only going to get better as his knee stop bothering him. If our defense can get healthy (I'd say about 60% of the goals scored on us this past month have been due to a bad play by an AHL call-up) and find its rhythm, we'll be a pretty badass team.

As for Crosby, I've considered him a cool bonus this entire season, it's sad but he's just not part of our core right now. If he plays? Fantastic. If not? Oh well. I hope we can get back to Crosby being a reliable factor in our schedule but that just hasn't been the case for over a year now.

Crosby's kind of like the joker in a pack of cards. I think I have to start looking at him playing for the Pens in this way for the time being. :-/
 
I said it before the season started and I'll still stand by it, Malkin can lead this team to the Cup. The last time Malkin was motivated he won the Conn Smythe. He kinda drifted along these past two years and was never really in the scoring race but now he's got that fire in his belly again. He's clicking really well with Neal and Kunitz, he plays better defensively with each passing game it seems (I saw him make plays in our end this game that I don't think I've ever seen him make) and he's only going to get better as his knee stop bothering him. If our defense can get healthy (I'd say about 60% of the goals scored on us this past month have been due to a bad play by an AHL call-up) and find its rhythm, we'll be a pretty badass team.

As for Crosby, I've considered him a cool bonus this entire season, it's sad but he's just not part of our core right now. If he plays? Fantastic. If not? Oh well. I hope we can get back to Crosby being a reliable factor in our schedule but that just hasn't been the case for over a year now.

I disagree. No healthy Sid, no Stanley Cup. Malkin won that Conn Smythe because teams put their top d-men on Sid which allowed Malkin the opportunity to exploit weaker d-men and non-checking lines.
 
Do any of you guys have experience using NHL Gamecenter on the PS3? How's the quality/reliability?

Apparently Time Warner Cable might be dropping the MSG network which will leave me with no way to watch Sabres games. My only other option would be DirecTV (no Fios here) and after some issues I had with them in the past I vowed to never give them any more money.
 
Today was a nice lesson on how it seemingly points to the fact that every single Winnipeg fan who feels they "own" Teemu was more of a blight on the whole game than any other moment of his career.

I wasn't around during the original Jets era, but the whole time I had met old Jets fans in Canada (collectively about 10 of them) and we'd talk candid respect of Teemu which seemed to be from just beyond mutual levels of respect.

Today the simulcast on CBC, the reaction on forums and on the
media showed me a level of Jets fan that disgusts the shit out of me. Between bouts of happiness at seeing such a legend be as happy as he would be all season, I was almost instantly appalled to see such disrespect towards his career with the Avs, Sharks and Ducks with blatant "ownership" calls of Teemu Selanne. All stemming from as soon as I saw "We forgive you Teemu. Come home" in the stands. Sorry, WHY is he sorry? Why SHOULD he be sorry? Who are you to insinuate that he owes you, the Jeta fan, his whole career?

He set the rookie record, an amazing 76 goals, with you. That's it.

A record that technically belongs with the Phoenix Coyotes.

I know he's the closest Winnipeg fans have had to a living legend that isn't named Hawerchuk (also a current record holder with Phoenix) but that doesn't give Winnipeg fans a reason to shit on every club he's been with.

I'm crushed that the Quackahots couldn't win it for him. I love that he got a stadium full of the admiration he deserves. I nearly swelled when I saw the post game
Bipolar-like activity of Temmu smiling when talking about the evening at MLS then frowning with disappointment at his club that he's spent so much time and energy with. It hurt.

I'm sorry this is how you spent your last year Teemu. I'm glad
you could finally return to where you started. I'm glad your hockey bucket list is finished. May you retire in the glory that you've so solemnly deserved.

The only rafters that own your jersey number are the halls of Hockey Heaven itself.

I think a lot of the feeling of ownership, as you say, is due to the fact that basically every Jets fan back then never wanted him to leave in the first place. I know how angry he was at first at the club for trading him, but honestly it was better for him anyway. I am glad he has mostly stayed with an organization that has treated him well. I can't really comment too much on his stays with the Avs and Sharks, since at that point I was barely following hockey. All I know is that he seemingly did not stay in both locations long and became a Duck again after. I know I was very pleased when the Ducks won the cup and he got a ring for it.

I did not get the signs that I saw that said "We Forgive you." Forgive him for what? abiding by his contract and actually going through with the trade? Much like the title in the Deus Ex OT thread on NEOGAF, He never asked for that. With how he was suddenly traded and we never saw him again... last night was some type of closure for us. Albeit some 15 years later.

Other than his time here, he's basically always associated as an Anaheim Duck to me. I'm so glad in that way since, could you imagine him as a Coyote? Having to go through the whole drama of potentially having the team move again? He likely would have just retired instead.

The papers and media here have been filled with stories with Selanne and his family. I saw a picture of his wife and kids and man, his oldest son really looks like him.

Basically though, I think all the fans here wish him well and are thankful that we got to see him one last time. There are always going to be extremists though, as you've seen, Dastardly.
 
I disagree. No healthy Sid, no Stanley Cup. Malkin won that Conn Smythe because teams put their top d-men on Sid which allowed Malkin the opportunity to exploit weaker d-men and non-checking lines.

Malkin on his game can make any defender in the league look like a dumbass, especially when has good wingers and a defense as offensively aggressive as ours is this year. With Staal on track for easily his biggest year in goals (if he could get healthy :|) and our bottom two lines scoring almost as much as our top two, I don't think goal production would suffer too much with Sid out. We're 4th in the league in Goals For right now, I think it's pretty clear that we can score without Sid. Malkin's been our top line center for the majority of this season and he's really starting to produce.
 
Malkin on his game can make any defender in the league look like a dumbass, especially when has good wingers and a defense as offensively aggressive as ours is this year. With Staal on track for easily his biggest year in goals (if he could get healthy :|) and our bottom two lines scoring almost as much as our top two, I don't think goal production would suffer too much with Sid out. We're 4th in the league in Goals For right now, I think it's pretty clear that we can score without Sid. Malkin's been our top line center for the majority of this season and he's really starting to produce.

Regular season and playoffs are two different things altogether.

You guys need a healthy Sid to win the Cup.
 
With the way Malkin's been revving up lately, I'm not sure if the Pens would absolutely need Sid to win the Cup, but a healthy Crosby would definitely up Pittsburgh's chances.

The playoffs are a different story, though. I'm more concerned about our defense being healthy than anything else at the moment. Haven't heard a peep about Letang in a while.
 
Watched the highlights from last night's game again. Man, Ryan Miller looked like hot garbage.

Incomprehensible stat from last night:

Paul Gaustad was a +3 in an 8-3 loss. LOL.
 
That's true.

At this point, if Crosby is back by the playoffs, I'll be content. I think the Pens can at least make it in without him.

They will easily make it in even without Sid. All I'm saying is that the playoffs is an entirely different beast. Teams will focus solely on Malkin come playoff time if there's no Sid. Sid's presence alone gives Malkin more space and time to do his thing.
 
Hitchcock on Trotz:

“He’s a villain, he’s a villain. He’s a villainous character. He’s got no sympathy for me. I told him last year, I said, ‘Trotzy I don’t think I’m going to get a job, so we’re going to stay in British Columbia for September and October.’ He says, ‘well that’s good, if you’re going to be there in September, the leaves need cleaning off my driveway on the summer place in Vernon.’ He says, ‘If you’re going to be there in October, can you work the eaves-troughs and the gutters.’ So he’s got no sympathy. He’s a great guy but he’s a villainous character, and he’s got no sympathy for me and I have no sympathy for him. None. And he can’t coach forever. He’s maybe got 20 good years left here and that’s it. He can’t coach forever, but it’s ridiculous. He just can’t keep doing the things he’s doing, but he’s got a good heart in some ways, but as far as coaching friends, he’s got no heart at all.”
 
Trotz to Hitchcock:

"Mow my lawn, bitch."

What's the context of that quote?

Forza, mmmmmmmmmmaybe...but the Pens have 4 lines rolling well this season, so even if teams focus on Malkin, they'll still have to deal with Cooke, Dupuis, Sullivan, Staal, Asham, etc. in their mouths.
 
Trotz to Hitchcock:

"Mow my lawn, bitch."

What's the context of that quote?

Forza, mmmmmmmmmmaybe...but the Pens have 4 lines rolling well this season, so even if teams focus on Malkin, they'll still have to deal with Cooke, Dupuis, Sullivan, Staal, Asham, etc. in their mouths.

LOL You so crazy.
 
Forza, mmmmmmmmmmaybe...but the Pens have 4 lines rolling well this season, so even if teams focus on Malkin, they'll still have to deal with Cooke, Dupuis, Sullivan, Staal, Asham, etc. in their mouths.
The rest of the league trembles at the mere mention of those names..
 
Was gonna say the same thing. Cooke? Asham? seriously? Lmao.

I mean, yeah, you better watch out for rinaldo and shelley opposing flyers teams

Cooke has 7 goals this season. Don't knock the guy. And I'll put the Pens' work ethic up against any team in the league. It doesn't matter if your name is Danny Briere or Pat Kane, if you're getting outworked in the corner for pucks.
 
The rest of the league trembles at the mere mention of those names..

Just wait and see, man. Once the Pens at least get their D back and healthy, you will shit your pants at the fierceness and compete level of Pascal Dupuis. He's got more goals than Patrick Kane, Zetterberg, Cleary, Holmstrom, JVR, and the same number of goals as Briere. Hell, he's only 1 behind Datsyuk. Not bad for a guy making far less than all of those guys.

/depth
 
Ditch Columbus and the Central's record over their last 10 games:

Chicago 8-1-1
Detroit 7-3-0
St Louis 7-1-2
Nashville 7-3-0

nasty.

I was just thinking about that. St. Louis was a talented team that needed some true direction and structure and Nashville always fights adversity and seems to remain competitive.
 
I gotta back my captain here. Pens need Sid :( to win the Cup.

I prefer to think of it as, "The Pens will win the Cup if they have Sid and the rest of their team is also healthy."

Manics, do you think Wilson will be fired before the end of this season? Do the Leafs make the playoffs with him behind the bench, and if they do, does he come back next season?
 
Today was a nice lesson on how it seemingly points to the fact that every single Winnipeg fan who feels they "own" Teemu was more of a blight on the whole game than any other moment of his career.
Winnipeg doesn't feel that they "own" Teemu. Winnipeg loves him. He loves Winnipeg. That's what you saw last night.

All stemming from as soon as I saw "We forgive you Teemu. Come home" in the stands. Sorry, WHY is he sorry? Why SHOULD he be sorry? Who are you to insinuate that he owes you, the Jeta fan, his whole career?
I saw one sign like that and to be honest, I don't think whoever made that sign knew what they were talking about. Every other sign was a mix of "we love/miss you" and "we want you to come back". There was a good one saying that at his age, he needs a KANE and a WHEELER to assist him.

He set the rookie record, an amazing 76 goals, with you. That's it.
No, that's not it. Winnipeg doesn't love Teemu because he set that record as a Jet. Winnipeg loves Teemu because of the excitement he brought to the city as a result of breaking that record, at a time when the franchise was having some serious problems. He went further than that by being active in the community and well known as a class act. Winnipeg's a relatively small place. Those things get noticed and recognized.

A record that technically belongs with the Phoenix Coyotes.
Let the record sit in Phoenix. It's pretty cynical to dismiss the emotion because of some technicalities of statistics and to who they belong.
 
Oh Leafs fans, every time I see Ron Wilson's name posted here I can't help but laugh. Our teams share the bond of that shitty lipless creep.
 
I prefer to think of it as, "The Pens will win the Cup if they have Sid and the rest of their team is also healthy."

Manics, do you think Wilson will be fired before the end of this season? Do the Leafs make the playoffs with him behind the bench, and if they do, does he come back next season?

Wilson needs to make the playoffs or he's gone.

Let me expand. Burke won't fire him if they're still in the hunt. If they suddenly go into a long tailspin and lost 7-8 in a row he may fire him before the season is up.
 
Mr "I know everything about everything in hockey" you dont know squat about the Leafs or Wilson.

D'aaww, Sugarcakes... No need to be feisty. Besides Connolly, who are your PK specialists (forwards)? I'm not talking about who you put on the PK, but who's reputed as being great killers. I can't remember any particular players.
 
Schenn is far from a bust, big guy. I have no comment on Wendel's post, but lay off Schenn.

It was tongue in cheek. Defensemen usually don't hit their peak until their late twenties. Lots of time for Schenn, though I'd fear the Leafs fucked up his development a bit by rushing him.
 
D'aaww, Sugarcakes... No need to be feisty. Besides Connolly, who are your PK specialists (forwards)? I'm not talking about who you put on the PK, but who's reputed as being great killers. I can't remember any particular players.

Dupuis has been the best penalty killer on the team, but he's a borderline NHL player at even strength. We have Steckel who can win a lot of draws, but he isn't particularly good at penalty killing.

What worries me is that Wilson's PK has been near the bottom of the league for years despite having a different roster with different PK players every year. Freddie Sjostrom, for example, was lauded in Phoenix and NYR as being a premier penalty killer, but when he came to Toronto, he was no better than anyone else. I think it's time for an entirely new system.
 
Hah! Why would that automatically happen? Crosby was there against Montreal, and Pens lost. Pens fans are so freakin' pretentious, everything is owed to them.

I don't think you understand the meaning of the word "pretentious." And the Pens team from 2 years ago was different than the Pens team now.

You want to talk about "owed"? Habs fans think the refs owe them a call every time one of their guys trips over his own shit at the Bell Centre. I've never seen a bigger bunch of cry babies.

This is a thread where a lot of people talk shit. That's what my previous post was doing, and what the sentences above this one did as well. Will the Pens automatically win the Cup if they're healthy? No. Will their odds increase significantly? Absolutely.
 
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