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NHL December |OT| The Team You Cheer For is Not Good Compared To Our Team
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My balls that's who. You wanna see them in action sugarplum? You wanna hold my balls. I bet you do sugar.
It's been fun so far.
Foreign Jackass
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Yep.
You've gotta be kidding me, you can't be that delusional. Did we watch the same game?
Near the end of the 2nd period, the Sedins had been in the Toronto zone for 8 minutes. Kessel's line for 4 minutes. We didn't bother playing a checking line against your Kessel line as Kesler was scoring on them quite often, while you had to play your best defensive pair and checking line against us... and still got lit up.
Kessel was a -1, Lupul was a -3, and Bozak was a -2. That's a total of -6. Sedins line was a combined +4.
I was afraid you would be delusional. Sedins rocked your world.
Different rosters, but I wouldn't say at any point you guys have had the players necessary. One or two good PK forwards won't cut it. And didn't Wilson bring in Cronin to lead the PK this season?
I don't care if they spent 20 minutes in the Leafs zone they still only had 1 point each. Kessel gets in, scores and leaves the zone, it doesn't take that long.
And this is why your team loses games.
As opposed to the Canucks who currently have an undefeated season.
Last 10 games for Leafs - 4-5-1 (i.e. below 500)
Last 10 games for Canucks - 7-2-1 (i.e. above 500)
We lose due to goaltending or lack of effort for certain games. You lose due to fundamental issues with your players
(such as the who cares how many turn overs Kessel or Lupul have, as long as they score a goal or two).That kind of hockey doesn't fly out in the west
A useful stat, since the Sedins and Kessel have only been playing for the last 10 games.
Nothing regarding the Leafs or Canucks, but I just want to point out that +/- is not a great stat for forwards, unless you're looking at forwards who play a predominantly defensive role (e.g., on a shutdown line). At the very least, some context needs to be applied for the stat to have any real meaning. Otherwise, you're basically just saying: "This team had more goals than the other."
+/- is a brilliant stat. It shows you how many goals a line scored even handed vs how many were scored on them. Good offensive players will either outscore the line they are playing against or play sound two-way hockey. Sure, the only thing that can throw off that stat is bad goaltending but that isn't stopping players like Stamkos.
That's why players like Toews, Stamkos, Sedins are above +10 in the top 10 forwards.
That's why players like Toews, Stamkos, Sedins are above +10 in the top 10 forwards.
which would certainly explain why Tabris never shuts the fuck up about it.
+/- is not a good stat and the fact that you think it is doesn't surprise me.
Sedins are the best players in the league. They have also out-scored everyone in the playoffs in the last two years combined.
CrazedArabMan
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No, they are good, but they are not the best players in the league.
Sorry but I forget, were either of the Sedins leading the league in points when they were 24 years old like Kessel is now?
Best. players. in. the. league.
1 Daniel Sedin VAN L 82 41 63 104
1 Henrik Sedin VAN C 82 29 83 112
You realize that the rate Kessel has slowed down at (1.0 PPG), he's going to be passed by multiple players in the new year, right?
I ain't worried. There was a bunch of players leading the Sedins last year but no one can be consistent like them.
Epic Tales of Penis
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Damn Alu...ice fucking cold.
To be fair though, Kessel doesn't have his sister helping him out, she's not allowed to play in the NHL. No idea how the Sedins get away with it.
What the fuck are you talking about? What does this sentence even mean?
Krejci led the playoffs in points last season, and Briere did the year before that.
Unless you're trying to "combine" their stats as two players into one. LOL.
Ethered
They're also under a ppg in those last two playoffs combined.
Toews only has 29 gp in the last two years in the playoffs and he has the same amount of points as them in the 37 they have. :lol
33 Toews 29 gp
36 henrik 37 gp
34 Daniel 37 gp
34 Kane 29 gp
don't make it seem like they're blowing up the playoffs.
CrazedArabMan
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You aren't even worth arguing with, points aren't always the full story buddy.
***Or as lucky with their health. If Crosby were healthy, he would've destroyed Daniel last season. If Ovechkin hadn't missed 10 games the year before that, he would've beaten Henrik too.
The Sedins are really good players who have been fortunate.
BEST. PLAYERS. IN. THE. LEAGUE. Until someone stops their Art Ross winning streak, you ain't got shit on me
Prepare to be dethroned and start licking Malkin's asshole as "BEST. PLAYER. IN. THE. LEAGUE" after this season is said and done.
I see that you conveniently failed to acknowledge my post about their +/- in the playoffs, and explain yourself regarding their playoff performance over the past two seasons.
No one's denying that the Sedins have skills. But best in the league? They're top 10, certainly, but they can't touch guys like Crosby and Ovechkin. (of prior seasons)
Epic Tales of Penis
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Well said. I've seen AO put up 100 points with scrubs like Zubrus and Chris Clark on his line. Sid? Same shit...any two scrubs and he's putting up 100.
Sedins? They need each other to sniff 100 points. These guys are a "package deal" or in other words "divas" who need to play on the same team, play on the same line, and sleep in the same bed.
I hope he bets on it with a permaban.
The Sedin's do have pretty damn good Corsi #s... but eh, so does Scott Gomez
edit: though they kinda fall apart on Goals Scored by team while on ice per 60 minutes of ice time: 72nd and 74th in the league among those with at least 10 games played. (Kessel: 63rd)
edit: though they kinda fall apart on Goals Scored by team while on ice per 60 minutes of ice time: 72nd and 74th in the league among those with at least 10 games played. (Kessel: 63rd)
FYI, Henrik was 1.1 PPG when he was playing without Daniel 2 years ago for those 15-20 games.
Interesting stat I found while checking up how many PPG he had, and here's the highest ESP/60 (even strength points per 60 minutes) since 2006:
Player Season Team ESP/60
Daniel Sedin 2009-10 Vancouver 4.0
Henrik Sedin 2009-10 Vancouver 3.9
Alexander Ovechkin 2009-10 Washington 3.6
Thomas Vanek 2006-07 Buffalo 3.5
Daniel Briere 2006-07 Buffalo 3.4
Sidney Crosby 2007-08 Pittsburgh 3.4
Sidney Crosby 2009-10 Pittsburgh 3.4
Maxim Afinogenov 2006-07 Buffalo 3.3
Jarome Iginla 2006-07 Calgary 3.3
Martin Havlat 2008-09 Chicago 3.3
Jason Spezza 2006-07 Ottawa 3.3
Alex Tanguay 2006-07 Calgary 3.3
Alexander Semin 2008-09 Washington 3.3
While I think Tabris is fucking retarded in his opinion, the bolded just isn't true.
When Daniel was out a couple years ago Henrik still thrived. Not only did he thrive, he drastically increased his goal scoring clip while Daniel was out.
The Sedins are unequivocally better with each other, but is that really surprising? They've played together their entire careers and they just work together. It's entirely untrue that they aren't elite players without each other, though.
BEST. PLAYERS. IN. THE. LEAGUE. Until someone stops their Art Ross winning streak, you ain't got shit on me
Shut the fuck up!
Seriously. They're incredible players, but they are not the best players in the league. If they had led the Canucks to a Cup last year, maybe you could make this argument, but they didn't. They were horrible minus players in the playoffs (a stat you say is incredibly important), and they didn't show up in the fucking STANLEY CUP FINALS.
JESUS CHRIST.
I love the Sedins. I'm a massive Sedin fan, but call a fucking spade a spade.
In terms of skill alone the Sedins deserve to be in the top 10 based on their incredible vision and passing. Where they need to prove themselves is their ability to elevate their game in the playoffs. Their points per game takes a dip once the second season hits. They turn from elite forwards into good first line players.
Epic Tales of Penis
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That's a 90 point pace. Like I said, they don't sniff 100 without each other. Thanks for backing me up.
13 guys had better than a 1.1 PPG average that season. Drop one of them, and the other drops too.
Tell him to stop making claims that simply aren't true.
Maybe you can make an argument that they're the best duo in the league, but as separate players, they're not even top 5.
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