I get what you were pointing at obviously, but it still fails to make a point. Just because there is a long streak of bilingual coaches that does not mean the Habs obligated to continue it.
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I get what you were pointing at obviously, but it still fails to make a point. Just because there is a long streak of bilingual coaches that does not mean the Habs obligated to continue it.
HadesGigas
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Coach doesn't speak French, hire a French translator for press conferences. Stimulates the economy and you don't have to limit your pool of coach candidates.
Foreign Jackass
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Read my answer, and stop listening to every English-speaking canadian here.
I'm thinking you're missing something here.
Again, I'm just exposing the problem here. I'm glad you have your daughter enrolled in French Immersion if that's true (Manics sarcasm has flew over my head in the past), but really, I would rather have a Nail Yakupov in my team then a Daniel Brière. But I can understand some people wanting more French in the team.
The Habs once fired a coach after winning the Cup because it was perceived he favored anglophone players too much.
Epic Tales of Penis
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I can see both sides to the issue. I think it should come down to the best/most qualified candidate. It's 2012, not 1970 when it was cool to be anti-French or anti-English. Heck, in soccer, teams follow this approach and get the "best" coach. Nations do it all the time.
On the flipside, if the coach was 100% French and couldn't speak a lick of English, I wouldn't give a fuck if he won.
Winning is all that matters IMO.
On the flipside, if the coach was 100% French and couldn't speak a lick of English, I wouldn't give a fuck if he won.
Winning is all that matters IMO.
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Well, it's easy to say that right now, because it would never happen. All the players speak English. This is why I'm saying the frame of reference is really hard to get for anglophones.
I am not against that. I'm saying it's pretty easy for me, as a French speaking person mainly, to understand what French-only speakers in Quebec want from their only hockey team.
It's true man. All other nations are hiring wop soccer coaches. They are stealing all the masterminds.
Please don't separate Jackass, I love being a citizen of the same country as you.Foreign Jackass said:
I would call it a "cute" bonus if you forced me to comment.
If Gordon Bombay came walking through those doors are you going to tell me the Habs won't hire the greatest coach on the face of the fucking planet?!
Epic Tales of Penis
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Get a couple of bilingual assistant coaches who can relay the message.
Montreal tends to ruin French players though with unrealistic expectations and pressure. Leblanc seems to have a good head on his shoulders though, so I think he'll fare much better than a Latendresse.
Foreign Jackass
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Again, it's easy to hire a coach who speaks any language, and then have him speak english. The other way around is rarely seen. Find me an english-only speaking coach who coaches an Italian team and doesn't speak any Italian, or a Spanish team and doesn't speak any Spanish, and I'll be very surprised.
English is easy to learn, and since most athletes speak English, it's a requirement to speak it.
If you want a good example, go with FC Barcelona, like a journalist did today. Everyone there is expected to speak Catalan. Their slogan : Més que un club.
I'm sure a lot of people would be ready to get an English-speaking coach, if, for example, the equivalent of Scotty Bowman was interested. Cunneyworth is no Bowman.
English is easy to learn, and since most athletes speak English, it's a requirement to speak it.
If you want a good example, go with FC Barcelona, like a journalist did today. Everyone there is expected to speak Catalan. Their slogan : Més que un club.
I'm sure a lot of people would be ready to get an English-speaking coach, if, for example, the equivalent of Scotty Bowman was interested. Cunneyworth is no Bowman.
That's another thing completely though, and I think it mainly comes from the star system in the junior league. Those kids get way more attention than Louis Leblanc ever had in the US league, which, to me, explains the difference between him and Latendresse. The LHJMQ is a broken league that breaks its players.
KernelPanic
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If he plays one more game that uses one year on his contract and brings him one year closer to free agency.
Thanks. Well, tonight is Game 10, so we're past that. With all the injuries we've got, he might play 20-25 games.
KernelPanic
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Actually NM, Leblanc is 20 years old ? He'll use up that 1st year regardless of many games he plays.
That only works if the player is 18 or 19.
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I see your point FJ. Montreal is a French city too and one would like that respected and acknowledged when it comes to the "entire" fanbase.
Foreign Jackass
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Huberdeau - Bournival - Gallagher skating as a line for Canada. Nice.
But right now, we have an English-speaking coach without any experience. It's quite normal to see people getting pissed heheh
I think the problem is when there's not enough French-speaking coaches with experience available, and we end up making bad choices. Again, this is not something people actually want in Montreal (a French speaking coach without experience).
But right now, we have an English-speaking coach without any experience. It's quite normal to see people getting pissed heheh
This is America. If you don't speak English than you can git out!
Again, I have no real problem if a coach is bilingual just the notion that there is some form of obligation. I can apply that same mindset to other scenarios, even players. I'm still going to want the superior players wearing my laundry.
And french chicks tend to be hot too so it's always good to appeal to them.
Ah, I see. Oh well, he has proven he can play at this level, so I hope he stays up until we can once again ice a complete roster. Next year he will have a fulltime roster slot.
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French chicks>Anglo chicks.
Foreign Jackass
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I'll quit arguing the point, because you're being retarded right now, and we're heading to sensitive territory.
That. Is. True.
Epic Tales of Penis
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That's not what FJ is getting at. Last paragraph of his above your post sums it up nicely.
Not really, has little to do with my original point. I'm retarded anyway. Great job getting through a discussion without insulting anyone.
Foreign Jackass
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Ok, I'll point out what I think is offensive in your post.
That, my friend, is retarded. I'm not saying you're constantly retarded, but you're getting into retarded territory with that statement. It's just how it is.
Foreign Jackass
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Ok, let's read that again, to point out what's retarded.
I have no problem with bilingual coaches.
Why the hell would anyone have a problem with a bilingual coach? You have to cope with it in some way? You have "no problem" with bilingual coaches? What the hell is this kind of statement saying, if anything? So it's fine by you if a coach speaks multiple languages? Well thanks. We'll keep that in mind.
Dude. I explained, and explained and explained. Forza got it. Manics agreed. Anyone can see my point now. If you don't agree, it's alright. But you're both dismissing my opinion as invalid and adding retarded sentences on top of yours. I'm sorry, but you're the one who's getting this discussion nowhere.
KernelPanic
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I think people in Montreal are just up in arms over hiring a rookie coach and his lack of French is an easy target.
As one of the articles sates, if they hired Babcock no one would complain.
Interesting how Montreal has had great bilingual coaches in the last decade but they all got sacked and went on to have success elsewhere (Therrien, Julien, Vigneault).
Only so many good ones to go around given the short life expectancy of a HC in Montreal.
As one of the articles sates, if they hired Babcock no one would complain.
Interesting how Montreal has had great bilingual coaches in the last decade but they all got sacked and went on to have success elsewhere (Therrien, Julien, Vigneault).
Only so many good ones to go around given the short life expectancy of a HC in Montreal.
Maybe even before. Lucic is taking a call today. I don't think he should be suspended but just fined.
Not really. I literally have no clue where you are trying to go here.
Why are you commenting that you have no problem with bilingual coaches? That has been your entire point.
If you are harping on myself not having a problem with them, clearly you didn't read any thing after your bolding points.
That's true with coaches in general on any team. They all have short life expectancies.*
* Lindy Ruff is exempt from this
Foreign Jackass
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Wow. You're on ignore now, and it's not because you're annoying. It's because, clearly, you can't bring anything to any discussion.
Clearly.
Foreign Jackass
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I think Montreal is especially lacking in patience, though. We had such SHITTY teams when we had Vigneault and Therrien on board, they never had a chance. We fired them on results, but what more could be expected with that lineup?
You're gonna miss a lot of clapping bears.
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You may be right they're not given a fair shake sometimes. I just checked, since Ruff was hired as coach of Buffalo, every fucking team in the league has made at least 1 coaching change in that span. He is a true survivor, the Sabres have even missed the playoffs on 5 occasions under his coaching.
Dude. He is going to miss a lot of retarded clapping bears.
That's bringing something to the discussion.
Foreign Jackass
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:lol
Yeah, those clapping bears really brought something. We'll see if we make the playoffs, then I might go through my ignore list and add some ambiance.
Ruff is kinda lucky, though, cause he's had good lineups. In fact, the lineup he has now is much better than the one we have in Montreal. I don't think he'll stay there long if he doesn't get results now.
gutter_trash
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in soccer, you can coaches from any country, and usually he speaks English if he doesn't speak the local language
now you got Quebec culture minister Catherine St-Pierre complaining about it.
it is so stupid!!!!! he is interim, temporary, who cares.
Guy Boucher is gonna get fired and teh Habs will pick him up
now you got Quebec culture minister Catherine St-Pierre complaining about it.
it is so stupid!!!!! he is interim, temporary, who cares.
Guy Boucher is gonna get fired and teh Habs will pick him up
Are you guys actually upset about the bears other than a "my team is losing, goddam it" perspective? I've said more than a couple times I wouldn't post if it was an issue. I just thought it was fun.
I find it kind of absurd to hold it against me while stating I don't bring anything to the table. I've always been willing to engage.
I find it kind of absurd to hold it against me while stating I don't bring anything to the table. I've always been willing to engage.
sazabirules
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Lucic got one game.
My "Consistency. Consistency. Milan Lucic" phrase worked!
AAs a French-Canadian who lives outside of Québec, allow me to offer this little perspective.
While it may be baffling to some that a controversy about a coach's ability to speak a language (that isn't English) could arise, to call it and dismiss it as stupid would be to ignore the history and tradition that links the Habs and the province of Québec. I mean, the Rocket Richard riots are taught in History classes because they sparked a freaking revolution in the province that sowed the seeds for Québec nationalism that we see today.
My feeling is that while most Montrealers would rather see an experienced coach over one that can speak French fluently, the Habs are very much a provincial team and it's the rest of the province (and the media) that's raising a stink about language.
While it may be baffling to some that a controversy about a coach's ability to speak a language (that isn't English) could arise, to call it and dismiss it as stupid would be to ignore the history and tradition that links the Habs and the province of Québec. I mean, the Rocket Richard riots are taught in History classes because they sparked a freaking revolution in the province that sowed the seeds for Québec nationalism that we see today.
My feeling is that while most Montrealers would rather see an experienced coach over one that can speak French fluently, the Habs are very much a provincial team and it's the rest of the province (and the media) that's raising a stink about language.
Who the hell are you? Only seventy-four posts here and you delivered.
I've been to Montreal and loved the city, but by no means instantly familiar with their history on the subject. Reading up on the Richard Riots now.
EDIT: Also, apparently I had no fucking clue the movie theater I went to was the Montreal Forum. Holy shit.
Don't you dare stop with the clapping bear. I personally love it, even when I see it on the page 80 times when the Leafs take on the Bruins.
To me it's part of our little community here, right there with Sef's Detroit blowout image, Marvie and his arsenal of gifs, the San Jose fan, KESSELLLLchampagne.gif, and of course the Luongo shutout penis.
Who says they don't have a reason, Manics?
Was so good seeing Burrows play at that level offensively. Hansen, too. I guess Danes aren't fans of Toronto either!
End of an era.
Did you not notice that there was a gigantic Habs logo drawn like centre ice in the middle of the ground floor, or the old sections of red seats lying around? lolz
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