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Ridley Scott's Prometheus Trailer

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For my money, there's nothing in Alien as ball-tighteningly intense as the last 45 minutes or so of Aliens. Cameron took intensity to a whole new level during those sequences.
 
For my money, there's nothing in Alien as ball-tighteningly intense as the last 45 minutes or so of Aliens. Cameron took intensity to a whole new level during those sequences.

Not so sure about that, but this scene is easily the greatest thing James Cameron has ever done and will ever do.

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I grew up with aliens. I'm pretty sure I've seen Alien, I remember the chest burster scene but nothing else. Been waiting for the anthology blu ray to go back down in price.
 
the trailer and this discussion have gotten me really excited about watching the first two again.

i'm probably gonna watch alien later today.
 
To clarify what I meant about Aliens, when I said "dodgy" I was referring specifically to the opticals/model-work. Aliens is well shot and the art-direction is fine but it isn't nearly as impressive as the original.

Scott's one of the all-time best visual directors, and Alien is a masterpiece.
 
The only problem with Alien for me is the deleted scene with Dallas and Brett being turned into eggs. It was cut for good reason, but still that's one of the most terrifying thing in the Alien life cycle for me. You get carried off by the alien and it does something to you and then you slowly and painfully become an egg. That's sick. A lot more disurbing to me than the alien bursting out of your chest. The alien queen was pretty good though. Still being turned into an egg would suck worse than anything else.
 
we need another jonesy.

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also, let a brotha know if y'all want ripley panty shot from alien screenshotted for you to use as a wallpaper/other more nefarious intentions.
 
look, i know weaver has, like, no ass whatsoever, but that scene with her in her undies is so hot. fight me if you disagree.
 
I got Giger's Alien (art/design book for the film), which I owned once 10 years ago and gave away, but now wanted back, for Christmas. It is, as far as I can tell, unchanged and unrevised from that edition.

The introduction is partly about how the later films did not involve Giger to much if any extent, and concludes:

Perhaps one should be grateful for whatever this Promethean fantasist was allowed to create under the encouraging auspices of director Ridley Scott, whose self-confidence and artistic eye gave him the permission to let genius romp unbound.​

Different context, but I did a double-take.

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Alien is simply one of the best looking movies ever made, every single frame is gorgeous.
Yup. It's striking for both the incredible art design and the way it is filmed. It's breathtaking to look at those images and realize that the film looks that good from beginning to end.
 
I grew up with aliens. I'm pretty sure I've seen Alien, I remember the chest burster scene but nothing else. Been waiting for the anthology blu ray to go back down in price.

it is 33 dollars on amazon if you don't mind getting a european version (which is open region)


Also, I have finally found my Alien loving brothers here!

Aliens just doesn't live up to the tension, shots, acting (you name it ) of Alien. Alien is a damn near flawless film.

Aliens is just some well done sci-fi action that bites off more than it can chew until the final 45 min which... is largely cribbed from Alien.

The whole bit with the queen is brilliant though... but that is just 20 min of a 150 min movie.
 
Aliens isn't supposed to be beautiful or artistic like Alien; it's supposed to be unrelenting, huge, and intense, which it is. Is it bad for the two films to be going for different things?
 
The only problem with Alien for me is the deleted scene with Dallas and Brett being turned into eggs. It was cut for good reason, but still that's one of the most terrifying thing in the Alien life cycle for me. You get carried off by the alien and it does something to you and then you slowly and painfully become an egg. That's sick. A lot more disurbing to me than the alien bursting out of your chest. The alien queen was pretty good though. Still being turned into an egg would suck worse than anything else.

Holy shit at that scene: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dS5MtzrW1vU
That's some scary stuff! I wonder why it didn't make the final version. Maybe they found it too disturbing?
 
Aliens isn't supposed to be beautiful or artistic like Alien; it's supposed to be unrelenting, huge, and intense, which it is. Is it bad for the two films to be going for different things?

its none of those things either, imo. It looks and feels like the b-grade movie that Alien would have been had Ridley Scott not been the one to handle it. Which isn't a bad thing... it's just makes it a very disappointing sequel.
 
it is 33 dollars on amazon if you don't mind getting a european version (which is open region)


Also, I have finally found my Alien loving brothers here!

Aliens just doesn't live up to the tension, shots, acting (you name it ) of Alien. Alien is a damn near flawless film.

Aliens is just some well done sci-fi action that bites off more than it can chew until the final 45 min which... is largely cribbed from Alien.

The whole bit with the queen is brilliant though... but that is just 20 min of a 150 min movie.

I'd like to add that I think the sequel is just far too long. Alien was tight..not a second wasted. Aliens is bloated in comparison, as are most James Cameron pictures. Don't get me wrong, I love Aliens, and I love James Cameron..but I can barely sit through it in one sitting without my attention drifting. I love long movies..but there's just so little in Aliens that I actually vividly remember..which is basically a sure sign that it's too long for what it is.
 
its none of those things either, imo. It looks and feels like the b-grade movie that Alien would have been had Ridley Scott not been the one to handle it. Which isn't a bad thing... it's just makes it a very disappointing sequel.

Huh?

Seriously, where has all this Aliens bashing been coming from? Is it some post Avatar Cameron hate fueling it? I can understand saying Alien is better but the sheer amount of actual bashing of Aliens just baffles me.
 
Huh?

Seriously, where has all this Aliens bashing been coming from? Is it some post Avatar Cameron hate fueling it? I can understand saying Alien is better but the sheer amount of actual bashing of Aliens just baffles me.

for me, at least, I saw alien and immediately loved it. I watched Aliens about a year later and never saw what everyone else did in it. I just don't don't "get" how Cameron is loved. I think the only movie of his I really liked was True Lies. Everything else rubs me the wrong way.
 
Holy shit at that scene: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dS5MtzrW1vU
That's some scary stuff! I wonder why it didn't make the final version. Maybe they found it too disturbing?

Someone posted a link to this really great Alien fansite that had all of this information compiled together and this scene was referenced. I don't remember the exact reason as to why this was cut but it might've had something to do with the particular scene not meshing well with the pacing of the movie.
 
Holy shit at that scene: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dS5MtzrW1vU
That's some scary stuff! I wonder why it didn't make the final version. Maybe they found it too disturbing?

Scott cut it for pacing reasons, it interrupted the building tension of Ripley's flight. I'd have liked to seen it included, as it charted out a very different life cycle than what we ended up with.

On that subject, there's a cut scene from the screenplay that also had huge repercussions. Shortly after the chest burster has escaped, the crew find their food lockers broken into and raided, with huge volumes of food taken or eaten. It implied the alien didn't just grow up into full size on its own, but needed sustenance to do so; it had a very fast, efficient metabolism but it couldn't just grow from nothing.

In later films we see tons of organic matter generated without proportional intake; I wish the thought that went into the lifecycle in the first film were given to the others.
 
Holy shit at that scene: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dS5MtzrW1vU
That's some scary stuff! I wonder why it didn't make the final version. Maybe they found it too disturbing?

Just finished watching Alien and Aliens directors cut and that scene was definitely in the directors cut version of Alien. Having seen both films so many times watching them again only confirms my opinion that I prefer Alien over its sequel. Mainly because of the atmosphere and cinematography, the sequel is not inferior by any means its just taken the Alien universe in a different direction to the first one.
 
I asked this on the last page but never got a response.

Have they determined if this movie is going to R rated or pg-13 yet? If its the latter I feel my hype for this movie will plummet.
 
Holy shit at that scene: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dS5MtzrW1vU
That's some scary stuff! I wonder why it didn't make the final version. Maybe they found it too disturbing?

Scott did something similar in Blade Runner - having a scene that takes the back story in a entirely different direction. In the case of Blade Runner
Scott shows that Deckard was actually a replicant in the directors cut.
 
Aliens isn't supposed to be beautiful or artistic like Alien; it's supposed to be unrelenting, huge, and intense, which it is. Is it bad for the two films to be going for different things?

Most people here will never be a movie director, even less so a good one. :p They just don't understand or can even feel how the creation process actually work.

If you clearly know you can't make a movie anywhere close to the original, you are better off playing to your strength. Cameron isn't Scott so what point would there be in keeping up with the original? Cameron made the best sequel, while Fincher struggled trying to stay close to the original. The "flaws" of Aliens are mostly that it's made from a different person with a completely different set of skills. Cameron know action/setpieces and adventure best, not cinematography/lightning/framing or even subtlety.
 
Guys, guys, guys. Chill out.

My sister just got me the Alien Anthology on blu ray for Christmas so I'll go watch both right now and settle the matter.

When I come back with my scientific findings, I don't want any arguments anymore, okay?
 
Alien on Blu-ray is stunning. Brought it a while ago but never watched it until today.

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You know, every time I see this iconic scene, I get chills in a "omg so awesome" kinda way. It's easily one of the most iconic and awesome few seconds in film history. It paints quite a pretty picture.
 
Didn't know Aliens also had an Alien-like teaser.

I need to rewatch the theatrical cut, the special edition is tainting Aliens for me I think.

While I love almost all the stuff added to the special edition of Aliens, the theatrical cut is the superior version. Just ruthless and efficient. No fat to cut. People calling Aliens meandering and too long need to rewatch the theatrical cut instead and see just how tightly edited it was.
 
Aliens Special Edition for life.

I like my characters fleshed out and my build up to be a slow, terrifying burn before everything goes off the rails.
 
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