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Ridley Scott's Prometheus Trailer
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o rly, i've never heard of that movie, tell me more
It adds nothing to me, it just messes with what used to be perfect pacing.
do I need to watch the colony before it gets fubar? no
did i need to know ripley had mommy issues? no
did I need to NO
SCULLIBUNDO
Banned
Yep. Exactly why I like it better.
And as I've said before jett - I agree with the Hadley's Hope colony scene. But my point is that every other scene in the special edition makes the special edition worth it, even with the colony scene included.
You get more of the 'life' of the ship. The Sulaco operating on its own before waking up all the marines. Adds a nice continuity of tone from Alien to Aliens. The little things.
You don't need to know it, no, but it's not about the knowing it. It's about how it adjusts the early pacing and adds to the tonal arc of the film.
PjotrStroganov
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I recently saw the SE version for the first time and I thought the Newt storyline was unnecessary. Besides the fact that it has not much too add, it also felt as if it was being spoon-fed to the viewer.
Zombie James
Banned
Quick cuts make all the difference when it comes to making a good trailer.
I could have done without Hudson or whoever getting scared by a rat or whatever it was. Phony jump scares were not needed.
If the extended cut had the Ripley daughter back story, longer quiet intro on the Sulaco, the sentry gun sequence and the "Ellen" exchange, it would be perfect.
Aye.
I H8 Memes
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The Ripley scene with her daughter goes nowhere and falls flat. The scenes with the colony ruin the tension of the first encounter with Newt.
The scene with her daughter's death only further drives home how long Ripley's been out and how fucked up her situation is. It's one thing to say "you've been out for 57 years", it's something completely different to say " and your daughter, who you left when she was 10, is now dead". It also gives purpose to Ripley taking to Newt so quickly. Speaking of Newt.....
The colony encounter does nothing to ruin Newt's appearance. The last thing you see of Newt in the colony scene is her screaming when her father is brought with the facehugger attached. For all you know, as the viewer, is that the kid is going to die. It's only later on in the film that you find out that she is the sole survivor. I love it.
brandonh83
Banned
Pretty much. The SE is a drag to me, much like the extended LOTR films. Better pacing = better movie.
Being told that 57 years have passed is enough to know that everyone she knew was dead. I never liked the idea of Newt being a surrogate daughter to Ripley. Personally Ripley being a mother never made any sense to me. She was gone on missions for months or over a year on the Nostromo(when they were woken up they were like 14 months or something away from Earth), what kind of mother is that. Besides that she was a complete cunt in Alien and didn't strike me as motherly in any way shape or form.
It ruins the tension and surprise when they first arrive on the planet. In the theatrical cut you had no idea what to expect there, or what had happened. Sometimes more is just more, not better. And sometimes it messes up with what was perfect. All the small added scenes here (and there are a lot of those) really alter the pacing and for the worst.
Aliens is supposed to be a lean, mean action machine.
I like the directors cut of Aliens a lot, BUT...
ONLY if I skip the colony scene in the beginning. It is fucking aweful.
Whenever I watched it with someone who didn't know the movie, I skipped it - to make it more enjoyable for this person.
I wish I could erase it from my DVD/DVD Copy, but I guess it's a little more difficult than just "cutting it out".
ONLY if I skip the colony scene in the beginning. It is fucking aweful.
Whenever I watched it with someone who didn't know the movie, I skipped it - to make it more enjoyable for this person.
I wish I could erase it from my DVD/DVD Copy, but I guess it's a little more difficult than just "cutting it out".
The movie was is called Aliens. I had a pretty good idea as to what to expect.
layzie1989
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I agree that the beginning colony scenes were unnecessary and kind of goofy, and ruin the tension of finding newt, but Ripley certainly isn't a "cunt". She seems to be the only one with common sense. I don't care if Kane is dying, you follow the quarantine rules and don't let him in. What ends up happening? Everyone dies. Even in aliens it's like everyone in the future defies common sense and refuses to listen to the only person that actually witnessed the events of the Nostramo. But of course if everyone had common sense we wouldn't have a movie.
SCULLIBUNDO
Banned
This is what I love about Sunshine. There are no stupid conceits. Things go to shit based off of making an informed, justified decision.
But if only Trey had just
adjusted the shields
twenty-something year-old rocket scientists up in that bitch. I could never get past that in Sunshine.
Like you wouldn't put Chris Evans and Cillian Murphy on a mission to save Earth.
SCULLIBUNDO
Banned
You mean thirty year old.
If they listened to Parker and freeze Kane, which was the big reoccurring way to stop it from happening in each of the following movies, once again. They would have been okay.
And this is kind of how it works and why Alien had such realistic characters. Its not that Ripley was being a "cunt". She made a choice that was logical for her own self interest at the time, but it doesn't sit well with audiences till they know what the consequences are. She was willing to leave a friend to die out there for her own protection and job. Your saying she has common sense, but you also know the outcome. They didn't at the time nor did you the first time watching. Its a very cold, but logical choice.
I'll also add in the fact she went back for a fucking cat. Common sense would most likely be fuck the cat. It is only slowing her down, but it also should the shift in development with her too. The person who was willing to let Kane sit out there, now won't even leave a cat. Always add in the fact that the Alien let her board the shuttle after killing the other two. It senses the danger and means to escape with her stumbling upon it by pure dumb luck. Then you had the good decision under pressure.
Not to mention it shows the kind of character she is.. why she went back for the stupid cat in the first film and why she risks it all to save Newt.
It also humanizes the character who was cataonic, brusque and wanted nothing to do with the rest of the characters, etc. It helps audiences to identify with her more.
Basic Hollywood stuff.
At the time of filming, Cillian Murphy looks like a harder-edged Brian Cox so you can't complain there at all, Chris Evans is in his 30s, Michelle Yeoh her mid-40s, Cliff Curtis his 40s, Troy Garity his late 30s, Hiroyuki Sanada his very late 40s and Benedict Wong his late 30s.
The only one in their (late) 20s is Rose Byrne and I agree, she looked slightly out of place. But that was it.
so, towards the end of alien when the alien's in the shuttle, is it stuck/hurt? it's hiding there and when ripley comes near it when she's pushing some buttons or whatever, it reaches for her. ripley then gets scared, but it just... stays there until ripley opens up some of the vents.
I remember having probably the best theatrical experience of my life watching Avatar, the movie finishing to thunderous standing applause, with everyone in the lobby gushing about how amazed they were by what they had just seen on the screen, only to watch as the universe slowly shifted into some bizarro-dimension where everyone had hated the film and had been bored to death the entire time in the theater.
Seems that the bizarro world is coming for Aliens now.
Seems that the bizarro world is coming for Aliens now.
SunhiLegend
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VistraNorrez
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Basic Hollywood stuff is exactly why it's terrible. Does being a mother make someone more compassionate? Of course, It's a cheap way to develop character. But showing Ripley caring for a cat gives an idea of who she is without the spoon feeding. I like not knowing Rip is a mom, it makes her relationship with Newt less contrived. Also, we know Ripley lost a lot of friends from the first movie and she was totally scared shitless then she awakes in a world that is unrecognizeble. The audience already sympathizes big with her in the beginning of Aliens.
Guerrillas in the Mist
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Fact: If the US adopted the UK's rating system, the world would be a better place.
I completely agree. Also, Jonesy>Amanda.
SCULLIBUNDO
Banned
Why would you compare the cat to Ripley's dead daughter? Unless you meant Rebecca.
Christ on a crutch...
I need to stop reading this thread. Some of you guys have been hitting the cider way too hard or something; this shit is killing my holiday cheer.
See ya'll in June.
indeed the DC is rubbish. the french plantation scenes kill it.
the only good DC's are blade runner and kingdom of heaven.
SCULLIBUNDO
Banned
It has nothing to do with exposition. It isn't about informing the audience so much as informing the character's arc. Everything a character goes through shapes who they are slightly. Do you need to have seen Alien to empathize with Ripley in Aliens? No. But you sure empathize more with her when you're privy to exactly what she's been through by being there when she experiences it.
Provided they saw the first film.
Being told a synopsis of the first film is one thing, seeing it play out in the relationship between Newt and Ripley is another.
It's always going to be someone's first film, especially after hearing the hype.
Besides, if it wasn't an emotional draw for some, then killing Newt off for the third film wouldn't have been received as poorly by audiences as it did.
Also, Weaver probably wouldn't have forced them to kill her character off as a result either. She was interested in Ripley's backstory (http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,310615,00.html)
She even wanted to only cameo in Alien^3 citing there was little she could do with the character and she'd become a burden to the story.
Of course, the studio totally misread it and decided to go with the pregnancy and messiah angle -- so, there's good and bad.. either way, the studio pretty much ruined it at that point.
I still like Alien^3 for what it is, but the Dark Horse version of events was infinitely better IMO.
Alien 3 DC. Or, technically, AC.
Colony
Sentry guns
Name exchange
All worth viewing.
SCULLIBUNDO
Banned
Fixed.
I've only seen the redux version, I feel like I've ruined that movie for myself. It was insufferably boring.
SCULLIBUNDO
Banned
Oh, dude. Rectify this shit NOW.
Apocalypse Now is AMAZING. The DC is like sleep hypnosis.
I know the Burke scene was filmed but never included into any cut of the film, but I wonder if the Bishop meeting an alien in the tunnel was ever filmed. I know it was included in the novelization. I wonder during which version of the script it got cut. It would have been pretty cool to see, though I suppose it might have negated the Queen/Bishop chunk at the end of the film.
Man, okay. Thankfully it was years ago so I've forgotten most about the movie(but not the horrible plantation crap, that will haunt me forever), so it'll be with eyes half-fresh.
SCULLIBUNDO
Banned
Definitely worth it. One of the best films ever made and the blu restoration is fucking unreal. Shit looks like it was shot this morning.
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