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Zelda Skyward Sword Spoiler Thread: Retelling the Legend without the black bars
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Haunted
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Yeah, that was pretty damn good. I like the idea of having a dark version of the master sword - completing the arsenal of weapons for each of the three wielders of the Triforce. Master Sword for the chosen hero/Link, Sacred Bow for the Goddess/Princess and this dark master sword for Demise/Ganon. Too bad that's never expanded upon in any of the other games.
I also loved Girahim's and Demise's actual character design, the last boss fights were... boss. Really enjoyed them.
The incarnation explanation is also a really flexible fit, tying the future games together nicely. A cyclic story, eternally retold... this is some Soul Calibur level of
Very satisfied with the various connections (Hylians being named after the goddess, Zelda and Link creating the royal line with the red loftwing reference in the sword etc etc) the game is making. Very happy with the final hour and the ending in general. Leaving you on a high note is super important and few games manage do to it as well as SS.
Haunted
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Was there an explanation why Fi had such a robotic and computer-like manner of speech, always going on about statistical probabilities and such? I was totally expecting some sort of hi-tech reveal on that until halfway through the game, like her being a computer chip in the sword or somesuch.
Ha! Zodd is honestly the first character I thought of as well, but they're both obviously inspired from general Japanese demons/devils.I don't really see too much similarities between Demise and Ganondorf to be honest outside of being a Demon King. Their facial features are completely different for example:
Demise looks more like Zodd from Berserk:
Haunted
Member
I thought it was pretty out of place myself...
Cerebral Assassin
Member
Why? All through the game you see that prior civilisations had better tech than the (various) Hyrules we have seen before, why not A.I?
WrenchNinja
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I'd really have to question anyone who thought Fi was good tech. Hylia must have been pissed when she saw what a dolt Fi is, no wonder she shoved her in room for a thousand years.
sorijealut
Member
Fi is definitely not Hi-Fi. can't stand her voice...
I'm not a fan of robotic personalities, either.
My calculations show 80% chance she's a robot, and is in love with Scrapper.
I'm not a fan of robotic personalities, either.
My calculations show 80% chance she's a robot, and is in love with Scrapper.
Is it just me or Zelda suddenly become colder after she remembered she was goddess? yeah romance dried out. disappointed me.
Same thoughts here. There were no witty lines...
gamergirly
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After all of the mystery and mystique from speculation regarding SS, Fi turned out to be a disappointment. You can be robotic all you want but show some kind of personality or humor. She really just was kinda "they just said that, doh" and uninteresting....
I think its because she just woke up. Both her and Ghirahim are essentially the same type of character, but Ghirahim had been awake longer.
Because she just woke up, she hadn't developed a personality like Ghirahim did. We started to see shades of it at the end of the game right before she went into the Master Sword.
It's a statue on Skyloft you're looking for. You've passed by it before.
Barrow Roll
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An old man is standing by it near the beginning of the game and mentions something about the eye. I kept trying to figure out what to do with this statue for the whole game so as soon as that popped up I was like AHA.
Seems this is one ground we have similar standing on.
But Ghirahim as a counterpart to Fi was pretty cool. 2D & retroZelda fans may just have to consign to the fact that trident-wielding pig Ganon probably won't have the 3D spotlight.
darkpaladinmfc
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Game complete! Amazing. Final impressions posted here
I was kinda disappointed with the final battle with Demise. I got owned the first time and thought, why don't I finally use my shield which I've yet to use up until this point?
So I did. And I beat him comfortably
Also, I was think about this when the scene happened:
Both Fi and Ghirahim reside in a sword and serve a master. At the end, Ghirahim finally revived his master and returned to his sword form. So both Fi and Ghirahim are spirits which reside in a sword? I dunno, but they seem similiar in that sense. (edit: oh, heh. It's mentioned on this same page)
I'll be rereading through the thread to see what I've missed out on.
I was kinda disappointed with the final battle with Demise. I got owned the first time and thought, why don't I finally use my shield which I've yet to use up until this point?
So I did. And I beat him comfortably
Also, I was think about this when the scene happened:
Both Fi and Ghirahim reside in a sword and serve a master. At the end, Ghirahim finally revived his master and returned to his sword form. So both Fi and Ghirahim are spirits which reside in a sword? I dunno, but they seem similiar in that sense. (edit: oh, heh. It's mentioned on this same page)
I'll be rereading through the thread to see what I've missed out on.
You didn't like the imprisoned? Did you fight him the right way? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nlPdw5H-Q0
I don't know what you're talking about.
If you're fast enough you don't even have to wait for the Imprisoned to climb and get Groose to shoot.
Really my only gripe with The Imprisoned is the fact that you can't "glide" when you jump of the ledges here. It's just tedious to jump all the way down if you miss the landing.
I know, and I did get him without Groose on my first attack on my first time playing, but no reason to chance being shaken off. Didn't feel like taking a bunch of takes and it shows that you can stun him so he doesn't shake you off.
THE EMPEROR HAS NO LEGS
Fun fact: I tried to defeat Ghirahim using the bug net.
Sadly, it was impossible. Oh well.
He does tell you he will be back, etc. Ghirahim going back to the past to revive his master would pretty much nullify what you did with the Triforce in first place.
So yeah. Dead-dead-DEAD.
ShockingAlberto
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He exists outside time, apparently.
WrenchNinja
Member
Whoever wrote the game just stopped giving a shit about the ramifications of defeating Demise and sealing the rest of him in the Master Sword before the entire adventure happened, and forgot the Master Sword was never there whenever we visited the Sealed Temple until the ending. It doesn't make a lick of sense, which is just disappointing since the game was consistent with its time travel mechanics up till this point. They really wanted that scene with Impa fading away and the Master Sword on the pedestal of the Sealed Temple to evoke ALTTP, and there was no way to give it as much impact without showing it a thousand years later with where it is in the present.
Demise wouldn't be dead in the present by Link wishing on the Triforce if he existed outside of time. Fi specifically says that he's been eradicated, Ghirahim specifically says that he has perished. Ghirahim wouldn't need to go back to the past if Demise existed outside of time.
WTF @ Spanish names?
I wonder if they changed them too in the Latin America Spanish translation.
He's like the frozen donkey wheel in Lost that is always in the present even if the rest of the island is at least hundreds of years in the past.
Haunted
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Even good boss fights get boring by the third time. And the Imprisoned boss fight isn't particularly great in the first place.
Good the first time, annoying the second, wtf were they thinking the third. Doesn't matter how you do him in.
Now I can't unsee it.
I was thinking that when Ganon's Castle appears in OoT, the void underneath it is the hole that was filled to seal The Imprisoned in SS, meaning the castle of Hyrule was built where the statue of the Goddess stood.My absolutely silly contribution:
Of course the location isn't the same, but I can see a link to it.
I didn't mind fighting it once or twice, but it just felt unnecessary going through it three times. I also knew that there were many ways to defeat it too.
Tribes of Trusty
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I'm really playing OOT for the first time, and I have a hard time deciding which one is more irritable, Navi or Fi
I had some thoughts about SS since the timeline reveal :
1. Ok, first, does it bother anyone else that Skyloft is so weakly populated ?! I mean, the hylian population of hyrule is born from them...there's not a big enough genetic pool to have a diverse population without all of them being retards. Likewise, the Oocca from TP, the implications of how the hell Skyloft inhabitants came to be this are scary. At least if it had a hundred or hundreds of inhabitants or several islands of the size of Skyloft it would've explained things better (and it would've been more interesting on a gameplay level). /rant / MST3K mantra.
2. I find it interesting that the population before Hyrule was really technologically advanced, enough for it to have created nearly-sentient AI and Robots and using and crafting Time stones. Even the gate of time is reminiscent of high-tech devices from SF lore. I, like everyone, thought they would reveal something SF-related in the game, and how the Demise came from humanity's greed and too advanced technology (basically the idea of self-destruction because of technology, like in FFX with the Sin).
3. Likewise, it is interesting that they recreated the aspect of legends and myths evolving through time. Correct me if I'm wrong, but in 3D Zeldas like OOT and WW, the accepted mythos is that 3 goddesses created the world and gave it the Triforce as a gift (which is reasonable, 3 goddesses, each one embodies a fundamental quality such as courage, strengh and wisdom), whereas in Skyward Sword we see it's ONE goddess with 3+1 sages (dragon-like creatures which are the closest to gods as you can be).
4. The fact that the goddess is no longer a goddess in SS and is incarnated in Zelda means it is a god-less world. I find that amusing.
5. Theory : the Link and Zelda in all The Legend of Zelda games are not the same, but essentially two souls reincarnated over and over. I mean, you have Link from SS, the first Hero who helped to make the Master Sword what it is, and Zelda, the girl who's the Goddess reincarnated. We don't know what happens when she dies, maybe she regains her goddess powers and then make it so Link and herself reincarnates, so that they can prevent the Demise's attempts to overthrow the world via his own incarnations.
It's basically the same idea as the Eternal Champion from Michael Moorcock's books.
6. It's funny how technology hasn't evolved much since SS-era.
I had some thoughts about SS since the timeline reveal :
1. Ok, first, does it bother anyone else that Skyloft is so weakly populated ?! I mean, the hylian population of hyrule is born from them...there's not a big enough genetic pool to have a diverse population without all of them being retards. Likewise, the Oocca from TP, the implications of how the hell Skyloft inhabitants came to be this are scary. At least if it had a hundred or hundreds of inhabitants or several islands of the size of Skyloft it would've explained things better (and it would've been more interesting on a gameplay level). /rant / MST3K mantra.
2. I find it interesting that the population before Hyrule was really technologically advanced, enough for it to have created nearly-sentient AI and Robots and using and crafting Time stones. Even the gate of time is reminiscent of high-tech devices from SF lore. I, like everyone, thought they would reveal something SF-related in the game, and how the Demise came from humanity's greed and too advanced technology (basically the idea of self-destruction because of technology, like in FFX with the Sin).
3. Likewise, it is interesting that they recreated the aspect of legends and myths evolving through time. Correct me if I'm wrong, but in 3D Zeldas like OOT and WW, the accepted mythos is that 3 goddesses created the world and gave it the Triforce as a gift (which is reasonable, 3 goddesses, each one embodies a fundamental quality such as courage, strengh and wisdom), whereas in Skyward Sword we see it's ONE goddess with 3+1 sages (dragon-like creatures which are the closest to gods as you can be).
4. The fact that the goddess is no longer a goddess in SS and is incarnated in Zelda means it is a god-less world. I find that amusing.
5. Theory : the Link and Zelda in all The Legend of Zelda games are not the same, but essentially two souls reincarnated over and over. I mean, you have Link from SS, the first Hero who helped to make the Master Sword what it is, and Zelda, the girl who's the Goddess reincarnated. We don't know what happens when she dies, maybe she regains her goddess powers and then make it so Link and herself reincarnates, so that they can prevent the Demise's attempts to overthrow the world via his own incarnations.
It's basically the same idea as the Eternal Champion from Michael Moorcock's books.
6. It's funny how technology hasn't evolved much since SS-era.
Ummm. Of course, it would be preposterous to assume they are all the same person in a single life time. There is always a new Link, a new Zelda, a new tempted by Demise, that's the legacy of the series. The very fact that these are always anew in the series is a reason why I love the franchise so much, the hero is never the same person, but rather the same essence, which leaves room for accepting the variated looks from pink hair, cat eyes, and even different sorts of sideburns.
Tribes of Trusty
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But then there is Spirit Tracks where there is a new Link, a new Zelda and Linebeck III but still the same old Niko from Wind Waker...wut.
Maybe Link and Tetra die of tuberculosis or get hit by a train who knows
Shin Johnpv
Member
That's because Phantom Hourglass takes place a few months or so after Wind Waker. Spirit Tracks takes place about 100 years after Phantom Hourglass. Niko is just really really really old, and he's seen everyone he knew and loved die, but he continues on.
AwakenedCloud
Member
Finished the game last night and the final boss took me 30 minutes longer than it should have due to Fi's trolling comments.
Fi: Master the Skyward Strike is useless here, don't bother using it.
Me: Huh, if you say so *Game Overs 7 times trying to attack Demise with the very few openings he has in the 2nd part of the fight*
Me: *Accidentally raises hand 25 minutes later. Lightning hits sword, electric Skyward Strike ensues*
Me: ...
Fi: ...
Not to mention I had the vanilla sacred shield, which he could break easily w/ 2 hits. This was the Sonic 3 barrel all over again for me.
As far as the plot goes, the whole Impa thing surprised me more than anything else. Is there any explanations how she survived so long? The past -> future transition is 1,000 years correct?
Fi: Master the Skyward Strike is useless here, don't bother using it.
Me: Huh, if you say so *Game Overs 7 times trying to attack Demise with the very few openings he has in the 2nd part of the fight*
Me: *Accidentally raises hand 25 minutes later. Lightning hits sword, electric Skyward Strike ensues*
Me: ...
Fi: ...
Not to mention I had the vanilla sacred shield, which he could break easily w/ 2 hits. This was the Sonic 3 barrel all over again for me.
As far as the plot goes, the whole Impa thing surprised me more than anything else. Is there any explanations how she survived so long? The past -> future transition is 1,000 years correct?
Some people/races simply live long in Zelda series. See Ganon.
Some people also speculated that her necklace is made out of timeshift stone. It's tenuous, but it's a cool theory nonetheless.
Also, yeah, I'll never quite understand why Fi tells you skyward strikes won't work in the second part as well, when they clearly do. That being said, I beat it without skyward strikes because I had no idea you could do it. But just saying that it is possible to do it without them.
Also, yeah, I'll never quite understand why Fi tells you skyward strikes won't work in the second part as well, when they clearly do. That being said, I beat it without skyward strikes because I had no idea you could do it. But just saying that it is possible to do it without them.
Thunder Monkey
Banned
Because it isn't a Skyward strike duh.
It's a lightning strike.
It's a lightning strike.
I mean, yeah... I understand that, but I think it's confusing to players when you tell them they can't do the thing that they technically should do to win. Instead of saying "you can't perform a skyward strike" in the second phase, the hint just should have been something else, like "study his moves closely".
darkpaladinmfc
Member
I did it with the default Sacred Shield, no Skyward Strike and no potions 8).
Thunder Monkey
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AwakenedCloud
Member
Well props to you. Out of curiosity, when did you attack then? The only opportunity I ever saw was right after he shot out the electric beam?
Same here. That's one thing that will always piss me off about Zelda games is the hand holding. There needs to be a "shut the fuck up option."
darkpaladinmfc
Member
He hits you with 3 normal attacks and if you shield bash all of them you can get in some hits, but if you mess up like 2 shield bashes you're shield breaks.
MisterHero
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I think Old Impa's Necklace is made of Timeshift Stones
Notice some Timeshift Stones also feature the Sheikah symbol
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