I think I heard about that. LOL
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I think I heard about that. LOL
Barack Lesnar
Banned
This Orton news is terrible and pretty much ruined my night. Six months???? Really?? This could be like the start of the end of his career now depending on how severe it is. The guy was top 5 wrestler of the year and all his matches were great.
You're going to take some heat for this, Heavy, but I've got something even more outrageous to say. In the morning.
Why am I still awake?
Rafa=FedKilla
Banned
I know brah, sucks that wwe.com shut down their forums.
Professor Beef
Banned
Beth Phoenix looks amazing there.
Orton has been good, but he was starting to get stale as a babyface. With some time off, they can bring him back by having him destroy Barrett with a kick to the head and bring back the evil Orton that works so much better than what he's been doing lately.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
I wouldn't be as upset if they had guys that could take over his spot but there isn't anyone close to be as over as he was + as good in the ring. There's a couple guys that are as good in the ring and have as consistently great matches but they aren't close to being over. The roster is so thin that an injury to your second biggest guy like this is just a pure dagger.
lessthananth725
Member
So were any other GAFers at the house show tonight? I had a great time with my friend. Our seats were in the lower bowl and we had a great view. It was a typical house show with all champs and babyfaces going over. They let swagger cut a promo which his lisp made much funnier than it was supposed to be. Miz drew cheap heat by praising the Browns and trashing the Steelers. Kane got DQ'd by hitting Cena with a chair. The new set was cool I guess, but last WWE show I went to was a Raw in like 2002 so I never saw the old one. All in all a good show and I can't wait to go to the next one.
The roster really isn't that thin though. There are a bunch of guys that could be brought up to fill the gaping holes. The problem is WWE doesn't put them on television, let alone push them to reach the level Orton is at.
I was on board til you made fun of lispers. Why you gotta be like that? What do you have againth lithpers, huh?
I lisp
dream
Member
The 12/23 Ring of Honor Final Battle iPPV was the first real referendum of what television exposure means to the company.
The answer is this. Television is not going to turn the company around. At least the version of television that they have.
There have been a lot of frustrations watching the company the past few months because the biggest problems are those that shouldnt be there. They are owned by a television company, Sinclair Broadcasting, and if nothing else a TV company should present a show that looks professionally produced. The booking may be bad. The talent may not be there. The matches may be bad. The idea of what is wrestling and what the public wants may be flawed. But the show itself shouldnt have a minor league look to it. In this day and age, and quite frankly in almost any day and age, that would doom most wrestling products.
Sure, nobody expects them to match Raw, but they are on some real stations in some decent sized markets and they cant match the TNA production values when they were bleeding to death on Fox Sports Net years back. They cant match the production values of local regional wrestling companies from decades ago when, if anything, they should at least beat them for the look of the show. TNA beats them in production values and beats them to death on known star power, and TNA doesnt draw well on the road nor on PPV.
There had been no business signs, whether it be DVD sales, or tickets being sold in new markets, that indicated this new television was going to be the hoped-for game changer that HDNet television wasnt. The plan was to let the television build for a few months, and then to start the new year running a full schedule in the Sinclair markets that they have television in. But in running in Spartanburg and Greensboro, where the TV does good ratings, and doing in the 350 range, was not a good sign to start with. Right now there are seven announced shows between now and the end of March. More may be added, but even if so, they will be running fewer shows than they originally planned because they cant make enough on the shows to come close to being profitable. And that is simply not going to change any time soon.
Can they survive like TNA, essentially with the key revenue stream coming from television rights? That depends on the value Sinclair places on the ratings they deliver, which vary from market-to-market. The problem is the production limitations and star power limitations will limit the ability to grow the ratings, and even more, sell the show into new non-Sinclair markets, make the Sinclair affiliates really get behind promoting the show, and making money through international television deals, which are a significant revenue stream for major league companies.
Will Sinclair be happy with the numbers they deliver and keep them alive as one hour of Saturday night first-run television? Thats hard to say. There is an audience watching. Joe Koff, who runs the company, has made the decision, good or bad, to keep all business information secretive. Still, those in the company have publicly said there a 1 million viewers per week, but there is no way. If they are doing a 1.0 rating on Saturday nights, which is probably not too far off what they are doing on average, given the stations they are on and percentage of the country they have cleared, that would be between 300,000 and 400,000 viewers per week. As a comparison, thats way more then Bellator usually does with more national clearance. Thats actually more than some WEC shows did, and thats with a far lower percentage of the country having the ability to see the show. And that makes the production even sadder, because even with similar or even fewer viewers, both of those products look and feel professional on television.
Final Battle at the Hammerstein Ballroom in New York did about 1,500 fans, shy of a sellout in a building they have sold out in the past. But with less sales and discounting when it came to tickets, and all the expensive tickets selling, the actual gate was the companys all-time record. But the New York number doesnt say a thing for the value of television since they have no television anywhere near the city.
The effect of television would be the iPPV number, since building the show has been the focus of the television from week one. It did about 2,000 buys, considerably more than the last show without television building it, but slightly down from the record setting show in June, which had HDNet building it at first, but no television building it the last several weeks. It was the second best number, at a time the company is not hot and on what I consider something of a bad day, Friday night before Christmas, with a 4:30 p.m. West Coast start time. But if television was going to be a difference maker, the TV should have added more than a few hundred buys nationwide and blown away previous numbers even with those handicaps. There are issues in that in the real world, most people are still not used to buying PPVs on the Internet and cables connecting the computer to the TV and Roku boxes are still not household items. There should be a natural rise in these numbers as time goes on just because more people will be more familiar with buying shows this way.
As for the show itself, it was both good and perplexing. The show was built around Davey Richards vs. Eddie Edwards for the ROH title. Their most recent match in June, which set the iPPV record, was a strong match of the year candidate. They tried to do a similar match in the same city and for whatever reason, it didnt click with the live audience even though I thought it was tremendous. It had flaws for sure. They didnt need to go that long, as it went 41:12 and started after 11 p.m. You could say the show went too long, and it did, but the June show also went too long, and drew almost no criticism for it.
There was a machine that handled the replays that malfunctioned, which meant they only did replays after the match, and they came off like somebody putting together a public access show. Dan Bynum, who has been directing wrestling dating back to World Class Championship Wrestling in the early 80s, was apparently blowing a gasket because of the equipment malfunction. There were also a few missed camera shots.
From what weve been able to ascertain, the show was booked to go maybe three hours, with the idea that since the guys dont hit time cues perfectly, it would probably go three-and-a-half hours. Instead, it went almost four-and-a-half hours, because almost everyone went long. They actually cut back on the scheduled intermission time, cutting it to 12 minutes, to catch up.
Davey Richards chasing the title was a good story and because he has such great matches, people were behind him as a challenger.
Some people make great challengers and arent the right guy to be champion, and you never know until they become champion. Its a different psychology. When someone is chasing the belt, you focus on their strengths and convince yourself why they should have the title. When they have the belt, all of a sudden you start comparing them to Ric Flair or someone that people considered a real world champion, and in the case of Richards, his shortcomings, his size, his promos, lack of world championship charisma, starts hitting you. Theres a natural psychology that promoters have always taken advantage of. The guy the fans root for with all their hearts to get to the top, once they are at the top, the fans start seeing shortcomings and root for people to take their place. It doesnt always happen, but it happens more often than it doesnt.
When the ROH title, or any secondary promotion world title whether it was WCW or ECW, really meant something, it was when its fan base was able to convince themselves that the champion, which worked in the case of Samoa Joe and Bryan Danielson, maybe even Takeshi Morishima, and perhaps to a small degree with Nigel McGuinness, was the best wrestler in the world, and thus the title meant something. Put it on the wrong guy, and its nothing more than a prop that means almost nothing. When he was chasing, Richards, because he had so many great matches and such a great work ethic, looked to be that guy. But television changes the game and he does not walk out with that aura, sad to say. Was that the difference between the same really long match with perhaps too many near falls being called match of the year in June and lacking electricity in December? Not entirely.
What happened with the show is Kevin Steen and Steve Corino used weapons, had a brutal match, blood and told a story, which was all good. It was put on and they went to an intermission and tried to bring the crowd back up from there, and it didnt happen. Steen vs. Corino was one of three matches heavily pushed on TV, the others being Shelton Benjamin & Charlie Haas vs. Mark & Jay Briscoe and the title match.
Haas & Benjamin vs. The Briscoes was just weird. Haas & Benjamin were the faces in the feud. The impression we have is that they probably were going to turn this year, but this wasnt the show it was to happen. They came out wielding chairs and destroyed the Briscoes and the New York crowd was behind the Briscoes from the start. Haas swore at the crowd and pretty much worked as a heel. Keep in mind there is still television airing at least through 1/14 where the Briscoes are on the heel side and Haas & Benjamin are on the face side. The Briscoes won the titles in a match that had an eight minute brawl with weapons before the opening bell rang, and they went from a weapons brawl to a wrestling match.
Included in the beating were chair shots to the head, which were also used in Steen vs. Corino. The problem with chair shots to the head is they make people feel uncomfortable watching them. Its not even just the idea that you can do it safely as some guys will protest. What guys who argue that point miss, is you can go in the ring and pick your nose and not get a concussion out of it, but it will make the audience feel grossed out and feel sleazy about watching you, and it wont help your match. Aside from the concussion risk, it doesnt work in modern wrestling because most fans are turned off by it. Some arent. Yeah, in the 90s it was a way for guys to get huge crowd reactions without having to use a lot of psychology on the audience, but thats a different era. For whatever reason, hard kicks to the head dont elicit that reaction, and Im not defending them either. Certainly doing them over-and-over, as opposed to building to one and making it mean something would be working a lot smarter. Plus, its one thing if you are doing one safe shot to the head for a finish. Its another to do it as a transition spot that nobody even remembers. Why? If you need juice, use a protected shot to the post. On this show it was worse because you had McGuinness, on commentary, screaming to the guys to get your hands up, which only made it feel worse watching it.
In storyline, Steen beat Corino so hes now reinstated on the ROH roster, and came out of the show as the companys biggest star. The show ended after Richards beat Edwards to keep the title, and was over how tough Edwards was, Steen came out. Steen made fun of ass kissing horseshit, told Richards that he and his MMA guys should finish circle jerking in the back and that he was going to win the title in 2012 and hold the company hostage. Steen is clearly doing the C.M. Punk WWE angle, but probably not watering it down in the sense I dont see Steen & Jim Cornette doing a tag team match on the March iPPV. They ended with a new direction.
But the lack of that star is still a problem. As good as Steen is as a worker and a talker, its always bothered me that a guy who worked so hard to be so good didnt at least work on his diet. ROH already has a problem they are facing right now. They have an audience that wants a certain thing. There is the belief that what they want does not appeal to enough people to make it profitable. So, during the Cary Silkin-owned ROH with Adam Pearce as booker, the idea was to try and expand and get the families and casual fans.
The problem is, those people dont have enough hours in the day to follow any more wrestling given WWE alone is four hours per week. So youre back to your loyal fan base. Here, the idea is to use TV to expand the fan base, youre back to the issues with the TV not looking major league. And with Steen, its not a matter that he doesnt look like a bodybuilder, because if you can talk and can go, who cares. But that still doesnt mean the casual fan may turn on ROH, see Steen as its big star, and think its the kid down the street playing dress-up pro wrestling. But he came out of the show as the biggest star.
After Steen beat Corino, he said he came to New York to do three things. The first was to beat Corino and earn his way back on the roster. Then he took out ref Jimmy Jacobs with a package piledriver, indicating that was his second thing. Then he made the motion to go after Cornette, who ran from him even though his role is babyface authority figure. The crowd was completely behind Steen. That was expected and likely desired given the way they planted fans to make it out like there was an underground movement to bring him back. Before he could get to Cornette, El Generico jumped in. The segment ended with Steen giving Generico a low blow and coming off the apron with a package piledriver on the table. Generico did a stretcher job and is going to be kept off television and away for a few months. He is scheduled to be brought back to feud with Steen.
Sean Waltman, who many expected to be in WWE as part of HHHs new developmental program, likely saw his chances to get that position hurt when he was arrested on 12/21 on three counts related to drug possession. Waltman, 39, was arrested in Hillsborough, FL, at 1:03 p.m. and charged with possession of Hydrocodone (Vicodin), possession of Hydromorphone (Dilauded), the latter an extremely strong pain killer as well as possession of drug paraphernalia. He was released on $2,150 bond. Waltman wrote that he had learned he had a warrant out for something from a few months back but said he couldnt elaborate more.
James Kamala Harris, 61, is going to need a second amputation of more of his leg due to diabetes. It was the leg that he already had his foot amputated on a few months back.
Stacy Keibler is now actually getting $25,000 per appearance simply based on being the girlfriend of George Clooney and being all over gossip pages in newspapers and magazines.
Shelton Benjamin did an interview with Alex Marvez and in it you got the impression he wants to go back to WWE. He signed a deal with ROH, largely because he likes Jim Cornette and is best friends with Charlie Haas, who wanted to be in ROH. Charlie is my best friend and asked me to do this. Between Charlie and Cornette, it seemed like a good idea and something fun. Regarding WWE, he said, Promos are the big thing. Ill be the first to admit Im no John Cena or The Rock. Im not as bad as people make me out to be, but its an aspect where I could expand. He also felt he was hurt, as have been a lot of people, by stop-and-start push booking. In certain cases, I think (WWE) abandoned things too soon. There were situations where I felt I was on the rise and things were going in the right direction and then for whatever reason the machine just turned off. The spotlight moved away and it seemed like no matter what you did, you couldnt get it back. That prompted me to do different things on my own to get their attention again, like dying my hair blond and coming up with the whole Gold Standard thing. Regarding returning to WWE, Ive had a damn good career and made a lot of money. Do I want more? Hell, yes. Do I think Im completely done with WWE? No, but I definitely needed a break. If you look at WWE history, anyone who is worth anything will usually get a second run.
Estimates for the Final Resolution PPV were 8,000 buys.
The identity of the mystery man in the videos will be revealed on Jan. 2 in Memphis. Most expect it to be Jericho, although Jericho has strongly denied it. Sick of all the questions so this is it, wrote Jericho on 12/25. From now on Im not answering anymore wrestling related questions. Im done w/WWE. Deal with it. Jericho has denied it from day one, saying he would be in Hawaii on that day and will be recording an album with Fozzy in the early part of the year. We do know that Jericho had a few months back told his musicians in the group that he was going back to WWE the first of the year for a few month run. At the time this was reported here, Jericho never denied it, nor confirmed it. However, a few months later, after the situation with his character not being in the video game, he said he was done with WWE. Several in WWE and others with knowledge of the negotiations confirmed at the time there was a problem regarding the game, and something happened with Jerichos negotiations to come back, but that they were still confident he was coming back. Later, when the videos teasing the return came, they believed they were for Jericho, although others in the company were saying Undertaker. However, those who said he wasnt coming back said there was a creative impasse. Jericho has always said that if he was coming back, he wouldnt let anyone know. Whether he would outright deny it constantly as opposed to ignore it, I guess well find out in a few days. No matter who it is, the mystery just doesnt seem to have piqued interest anywhere near the level of Jerichos return in 2007, or last years Undertaker returning video (although a lot of that was because people were so insistent it was Sting which it never was even though Undertaker was being advertised locally for the show). Neither Undertaker nor Jericho are being advertised in Memphis, but the Undertaker return last year was never meant to be a secret, and Undertaker returning this year for Mania is also not meant to be a secret. Several have noted that it couldnt be anyone else because there seems to be no indication of Batista, that it cant be Brodus Clay or Skip Sheffield (both set to debut on TV shortly) without it backfiring. So its Jericho and Undertaker and its early for Undertaker to return because it makes no sense to put him in the Rumble.
The answer is this. Television is not going to turn the company around. At least the version of television that they have.
There have been a lot of frustrations watching the company the past few months because the biggest problems are those that shouldnt be there. They are owned by a television company, Sinclair Broadcasting, and if nothing else a TV company should present a show that looks professionally produced. The booking may be bad. The talent may not be there. The matches may be bad. The idea of what is wrestling and what the public wants may be flawed. But the show itself shouldnt have a minor league look to it. In this day and age, and quite frankly in almost any day and age, that would doom most wrestling products.
Sure, nobody expects them to match Raw, but they are on some real stations in some decent sized markets and they cant match the TNA production values when they were bleeding to death on Fox Sports Net years back. They cant match the production values of local regional wrestling companies from decades ago when, if anything, they should at least beat them for the look of the show. TNA beats them in production values and beats them to death on known star power, and TNA doesnt draw well on the road nor on PPV.
There had been no business signs, whether it be DVD sales, or tickets being sold in new markets, that indicated this new television was going to be the hoped-for game changer that HDNet television wasnt. The plan was to let the television build for a few months, and then to start the new year running a full schedule in the Sinclair markets that they have television in. But in running in Spartanburg and Greensboro, where the TV does good ratings, and doing in the 350 range, was not a good sign to start with. Right now there are seven announced shows between now and the end of March. More may be added, but even if so, they will be running fewer shows than they originally planned because they cant make enough on the shows to come close to being profitable. And that is simply not going to change any time soon.
Can they survive like TNA, essentially with the key revenue stream coming from television rights? That depends on the value Sinclair places on the ratings they deliver, which vary from market-to-market. The problem is the production limitations and star power limitations will limit the ability to grow the ratings, and even more, sell the show into new non-Sinclair markets, make the Sinclair affiliates really get behind promoting the show, and making money through international television deals, which are a significant revenue stream for major league companies.
Will Sinclair be happy with the numbers they deliver and keep them alive as one hour of Saturday night first-run television? Thats hard to say. There is an audience watching. Joe Koff, who runs the company, has made the decision, good or bad, to keep all business information secretive. Still, those in the company have publicly said there a 1 million viewers per week, but there is no way. If they are doing a 1.0 rating on Saturday nights, which is probably not too far off what they are doing on average, given the stations they are on and percentage of the country they have cleared, that would be between 300,000 and 400,000 viewers per week. As a comparison, thats way more then Bellator usually does with more national clearance. Thats actually more than some WEC shows did, and thats with a far lower percentage of the country having the ability to see the show. And that makes the production even sadder, because even with similar or even fewer viewers, both of those products look and feel professional on television.
Final Battle at the Hammerstein Ballroom in New York did about 1,500 fans, shy of a sellout in a building they have sold out in the past. But with less sales and discounting when it came to tickets, and all the expensive tickets selling, the actual gate was the companys all-time record. But the New York number doesnt say a thing for the value of television since they have no television anywhere near the city.
The effect of television would be the iPPV number, since building the show has been the focus of the television from week one. It did about 2,000 buys, considerably more than the last show without television building it, but slightly down from the record setting show in June, which had HDNet building it at first, but no television building it the last several weeks. It was the second best number, at a time the company is not hot and on what I consider something of a bad day, Friday night before Christmas, with a 4:30 p.m. West Coast start time. But if television was going to be a difference maker, the TV should have added more than a few hundred buys nationwide and blown away previous numbers even with those handicaps. There are issues in that in the real world, most people are still not used to buying PPVs on the Internet and cables connecting the computer to the TV and Roku boxes are still not household items. There should be a natural rise in these numbers as time goes on just because more people will be more familiar with buying shows this way.
As for the show itself, it was both good and perplexing. The show was built around Davey Richards vs. Eddie Edwards for the ROH title. Their most recent match in June, which set the iPPV record, was a strong match of the year candidate. They tried to do a similar match in the same city and for whatever reason, it didnt click with the live audience even though I thought it was tremendous. It had flaws for sure. They didnt need to go that long, as it went 41:12 and started after 11 p.m. You could say the show went too long, and it did, but the June show also went too long, and drew almost no criticism for it.
There was a machine that handled the replays that malfunctioned, which meant they only did replays after the match, and they came off like somebody putting together a public access show. Dan Bynum, who has been directing wrestling dating back to World Class Championship Wrestling in the early 80s, was apparently blowing a gasket because of the equipment malfunction. There were also a few missed camera shots.
From what weve been able to ascertain, the show was booked to go maybe three hours, with the idea that since the guys dont hit time cues perfectly, it would probably go three-and-a-half hours. Instead, it went almost four-and-a-half hours, because almost everyone went long. They actually cut back on the scheduled intermission time, cutting it to 12 minutes, to catch up.
Davey Richards chasing the title was a good story and because he has such great matches, people were behind him as a challenger.
Some people make great challengers and arent the right guy to be champion, and you never know until they become champion. Its a different psychology. When someone is chasing the belt, you focus on their strengths and convince yourself why they should have the title. When they have the belt, all of a sudden you start comparing them to Ric Flair or someone that people considered a real world champion, and in the case of Richards, his shortcomings, his size, his promos, lack of world championship charisma, starts hitting you. Theres a natural psychology that promoters have always taken advantage of. The guy the fans root for with all their hearts to get to the top, once they are at the top, the fans start seeing shortcomings and root for people to take their place. It doesnt always happen, but it happens more often than it doesnt.
When the ROH title, or any secondary promotion world title whether it was WCW or ECW, really meant something, it was when its fan base was able to convince themselves that the champion, which worked in the case of Samoa Joe and Bryan Danielson, maybe even Takeshi Morishima, and perhaps to a small degree with Nigel McGuinness, was the best wrestler in the world, and thus the title meant something. Put it on the wrong guy, and its nothing more than a prop that means almost nothing. When he was chasing, Richards, because he had so many great matches and such a great work ethic, looked to be that guy. But television changes the game and he does not walk out with that aura, sad to say. Was that the difference between the same really long match with perhaps too many near falls being called match of the year in June and lacking electricity in December? Not entirely.
What happened with the show is Kevin Steen and Steve Corino used weapons, had a brutal match, blood and told a story, which was all good. It was put on and they went to an intermission and tried to bring the crowd back up from there, and it didnt happen. Steen vs. Corino was one of three matches heavily pushed on TV, the others being Shelton Benjamin & Charlie Haas vs. Mark & Jay Briscoe and the title match.
Haas & Benjamin vs. The Briscoes was just weird. Haas & Benjamin were the faces in the feud. The impression we have is that they probably were going to turn this year, but this wasnt the show it was to happen. They came out wielding chairs and destroyed the Briscoes and the New York crowd was behind the Briscoes from the start. Haas swore at the crowd and pretty much worked as a heel. Keep in mind there is still television airing at least through 1/14 where the Briscoes are on the heel side and Haas & Benjamin are on the face side. The Briscoes won the titles in a match that had an eight minute brawl with weapons before the opening bell rang, and they went from a weapons brawl to a wrestling match.
Included in the beating were chair shots to the head, which were also used in Steen vs. Corino. The problem with chair shots to the head is they make people feel uncomfortable watching them. Its not even just the idea that you can do it safely as some guys will protest. What guys who argue that point miss, is you can go in the ring and pick your nose and not get a concussion out of it, but it will make the audience feel grossed out and feel sleazy about watching you, and it wont help your match. Aside from the concussion risk, it doesnt work in modern wrestling because most fans are turned off by it. Some arent. Yeah, in the 90s it was a way for guys to get huge crowd reactions without having to use a lot of psychology on the audience, but thats a different era. For whatever reason, hard kicks to the head dont elicit that reaction, and Im not defending them either. Certainly doing them over-and-over, as opposed to building to one and making it mean something would be working a lot smarter. Plus, its one thing if you are doing one safe shot to the head for a finish. Its another to do it as a transition spot that nobody even remembers. Why? If you need juice, use a protected shot to the post. On this show it was worse because you had McGuinness, on commentary, screaming to the guys to get your hands up, which only made it feel worse watching it.
In storyline, Steen beat Corino so hes now reinstated on the ROH roster, and came out of the show as the companys biggest star. The show ended after Richards beat Edwards to keep the title, and was over how tough Edwards was, Steen came out. Steen made fun of ass kissing horseshit, told Richards that he and his MMA guys should finish circle jerking in the back and that he was going to win the title in 2012 and hold the company hostage. Steen is clearly doing the C.M. Punk WWE angle, but probably not watering it down in the sense I dont see Steen & Jim Cornette doing a tag team match on the March iPPV. They ended with a new direction.
But the lack of that star is still a problem. As good as Steen is as a worker and a talker, its always bothered me that a guy who worked so hard to be so good didnt at least work on his diet. ROH already has a problem they are facing right now. They have an audience that wants a certain thing. There is the belief that what they want does not appeal to enough people to make it profitable. So, during the Cary Silkin-owned ROH with Adam Pearce as booker, the idea was to try and expand and get the families and casual fans.
The problem is, those people dont have enough hours in the day to follow any more wrestling given WWE alone is four hours per week. So youre back to your loyal fan base. Here, the idea is to use TV to expand the fan base, youre back to the issues with the TV not looking major league. And with Steen, its not a matter that he doesnt look like a bodybuilder, because if you can talk and can go, who cares. But that still doesnt mean the casual fan may turn on ROH, see Steen as its big star, and think its the kid down the street playing dress-up pro wrestling. But he came out of the show as the biggest star.
After Steen beat Corino, he said he came to New York to do three things. The first was to beat Corino and earn his way back on the roster. Then he took out ref Jimmy Jacobs with a package piledriver, indicating that was his second thing. Then he made the motion to go after Cornette, who ran from him even though his role is babyface authority figure. The crowd was completely behind Steen. That was expected and likely desired given the way they planted fans to make it out like there was an underground movement to bring him back. Before he could get to Cornette, El Generico jumped in. The segment ended with Steen giving Generico a low blow and coming off the apron with a package piledriver on the table. Generico did a stretcher job and is going to be kept off television and away for a few months. He is scheduled to be brought back to feud with Steen.
Sean Waltman, who many expected to be in WWE as part of HHHs new developmental program, likely saw his chances to get that position hurt when he was arrested on 12/21 on three counts related to drug possession. Waltman, 39, was arrested in Hillsborough, FL, at 1:03 p.m. and charged with possession of Hydrocodone (Vicodin), possession of Hydromorphone (Dilauded), the latter an extremely strong pain killer as well as possession of drug paraphernalia. He was released on $2,150 bond. Waltman wrote that he had learned he had a warrant out for something from a few months back but said he couldnt elaborate more.
James Kamala Harris, 61, is going to need a second amputation of more of his leg due to diabetes. It was the leg that he already had his foot amputated on a few months back.
Stacy Keibler is now actually getting $25,000 per appearance simply based on being the girlfriend of George Clooney and being all over gossip pages in newspapers and magazines.
Shelton Benjamin did an interview with Alex Marvez and in it you got the impression he wants to go back to WWE. He signed a deal with ROH, largely because he likes Jim Cornette and is best friends with Charlie Haas, who wanted to be in ROH. Charlie is my best friend and asked me to do this. Between Charlie and Cornette, it seemed like a good idea and something fun. Regarding WWE, he said, Promos are the big thing. Ill be the first to admit Im no John Cena or The Rock. Im not as bad as people make me out to be, but its an aspect where I could expand. He also felt he was hurt, as have been a lot of people, by stop-and-start push booking. In certain cases, I think (WWE) abandoned things too soon. There were situations where I felt I was on the rise and things were going in the right direction and then for whatever reason the machine just turned off. The spotlight moved away and it seemed like no matter what you did, you couldnt get it back. That prompted me to do different things on my own to get their attention again, like dying my hair blond and coming up with the whole Gold Standard thing. Regarding returning to WWE, Ive had a damn good career and made a lot of money. Do I want more? Hell, yes. Do I think Im completely done with WWE? No, but I definitely needed a break. If you look at WWE history, anyone who is worth anything will usually get a second run.
Estimates for the Final Resolution PPV were 8,000 buys.
The identity of the mystery man in the videos will be revealed on Jan. 2 in Memphis. Most expect it to be Jericho, although Jericho has strongly denied it. Sick of all the questions so this is it, wrote Jericho on 12/25. From now on Im not answering anymore wrestling related questions. Im done w/WWE. Deal with it. Jericho has denied it from day one, saying he would be in Hawaii on that day and will be recording an album with Fozzy in the early part of the year. We do know that Jericho had a few months back told his musicians in the group that he was going back to WWE the first of the year for a few month run. At the time this was reported here, Jericho never denied it, nor confirmed it. However, a few months later, after the situation with his character not being in the video game, he said he was done with WWE. Several in WWE and others with knowledge of the negotiations confirmed at the time there was a problem regarding the game, and something happened with Jerichos negotiations to come back, but that they were still confident he was coming back. Later, when the videos teasing the return came, they believed they were for Jericho, although others in the company were saying Undertaker. However, those who said he wasnt coming back said there was a creative impasse. Jericho has always said that if he was coming back, he wouldnt let anyone know. Whether he would outright deny it constantly as opposed to ignore it, I guess well find out in a few days. No matter who it is, the mystery just doesnt seem to have piqued interest anywhere near the level of Jerichos return in 2007, or last years Undertaker returning video (although a lot of that was because people were so insistent it was Sting which it never was even though Undertaker was being advertised locally for the show). Neither Undertaker nor Jericho are being advertised in Memphis, but the Undertaker return last year was never meant to be a secret, and Undertaker returning this year for Mania is also not meant to be a secret. Several have noted that it couldnt be anyone else because there seems to be no indication of Batista, that it cant be Brodus Clay or Skip Sheffield (both set to debut on TV shortly) without it backfiring. So its Jericho and Undertaker and its early for Undertaker to return because it makes no sense to put him in the Rumble.
dream
Member
Shaquille ONeal revealed on 12/21 in a radio interview that hes in discussions with WWE to do a match against Show at this years WrestleMania. Under normal circumstances, Id say this was a bad idea. Whatever the max the show is going to do, itll do with Rock vs. Cena. Plus, with Undertaker basically being an outsider now, and Rock being the same, you dont want to overload the show with outsiders and focus little on the talent that has to carry the company, particularly since this is the one show that should be a lock as far as drawing. Its the same reason that people close to Austin have advised him to sit this one out, because why have your return to third or fourth from the top when it should be something featured. However, this is not a typical Mania because its the launch date of the network. Because of that, they want as much mainstream pub on wrestling on 4/1, and ONeal will being mainstream sports pub that Rock cant bring. WWE was not happy that this got out. ONeal is one of a number of celebrities WWE is considering for the show. The one thing is that the guys who are being looked at to carry the brand with the exception of Cena and probably Punk look like they are going to be down on the card that will be carried when it comes to promotion by Rock, HHH, Undertaker, Michaels, Jericho (if he debuts this coming week) and even Show if that match happens will be featured ahead of the world title match and even Orton who looks to be fifth from the top at best. Last year was kind of the same since Rock was the focal point of the promotion and Miz was an afterthought and HHH and Undertaker stole the show and the No. 3 match as far as hype was really Lawler vs. Cole.
Del Rio looks to be out four to six weeks with a torn groin suffered on the 12/19 Raw show in Philadelphia during the six-man tag match. He will be undergoing minor surgery. Based on that time line hes out of the Rumble and should be back in time for the Elimination Chamber.
When Vince told him to be more aggressive and to work stiffer like a tough guy because he had more believability than the other top heels on Raw, it was indicated he was due for another title run next year.
The actual number of domestic buys for Survivor Series was 160,000, not 180,000 as reported in last weeks issue. It was an error from the source that provided us with the domestic number. The worldwide number at this point remains 280,000. In that case, you have to say from a domestic standpoint the number was a significant disappointment. So the show was up 26% from last year on the domestic side and 3% outside North America thus far, and that comes with a show the day after a UFC PPV this year, but the same thing happened last year and it was a slightly stronger UFC show numbers wise the day before the 2010 show. Some might look at those numbers to say Rocks return wasnt as big outside North America, but its really showing that international PPV has weakened due to major Mexico and Italy declines. The only other PPV shows this year to be up from last year at all were Rumble and Mania, both before the overseas declines hit, and Capital Punishment for some reason that I cant really explain other than the show in 2010 in that slot was Fatal Four Way which was a dud of a PPV concept.
As of today, the plan is that in 2012, the PPV schedule will be the same with Rumble, Chamber and Mania. From April through December, the plan is for only SummerSlam and Survivor Series to be national PPVs and the rest will be WWE Network specials. They may also remain on PPV based on the idea that much of the country wont have access to the network. It would make sense to do so because the people, even if its 60,000 to 70,000, who have to pay $44.95 to watch a show that others are watching for free and they know it, will likely make some noise to their cable companies and help garner pressure to the companies to clear the station. The NFL did the same thing, offering a Thursday night game on the network which was shut out from most of the country with the very idea of expecting their fans to complain that their cable company wouldnt allow them to see the game and that would lead to pressure for more clearances. Of course, theres a big difference between the audience numbers that want to watch an NFL game as compared to those that want to watch a B WWE PPV show.
A funny story is when Punk arrived at Madison Square Garden for the 12/27 show, he was denied entry as a security guard didnt buy that he was a wrestler. Another guard recognized him and made sure he got in. Punk tweeted, Sellout the Horizon (the old name of the All-State Arena they played in on Monday) on a Monday, refused entry to the Garden on Tuesday. My life is awesome. Some serious Larry David shit.
The plan is to push Layla in the championship picture just because theyve worn out Phoenix against Kelly and Torres and everyone knows Fox isnt the answer. Ultimately theyll get to Natalya but not sure when that will be.
At the Chicago Raw, they were confiscating any signs related to Colt Cabana. However, a sign that read, Dana, bring back Miguel Torres made its way onto the broadcast, probably because the sign police likely had no idea what that was about.
The plan right now for the Raw Elimination Chamber match is Punk, Del Rio, Miz, Cena, Kane and R-Truth. Im guessing this outcome will be decided based on whether they want to do Cena vs. Rock for the title at Mania or not.
Del Rio looks to be out four to six weeks with a torn groin suffered on the 12/19 Raw show in Philadelphia during the six-man tag match. He will be undergoing minor surgery. Based on that time line hes out of the Rumble and should be back in time for the Elimination Chamber.
When Vince told him to be more aggressive and to work stiffer like a tough guy because he had more believability than the other top heels on Raw, it was indicated he was due for another title run next year.
The actual number of domestic buys for Survivor Series was 160,000, not 180,000 as reported in last weeks issue. It was an error from the source that provided us with the domestic number. The worldwide number at this point remains 280,000. In that case, you have to say from a domestic standpoint the number was a significant disappointment. So the show was up 26% from last year on the domestic side and 3% outside North America thus far, and that comes with a show the day after a UFC PPV this year, but the same thing happened last year and it was a slightly stronger UFC show numbers wise the day before the 2010 show. Some might look at those numbers to say Rocks return wasnt as big outside North America, but its really showing that international PPV has weakened due to major Mexico and Italy declines. The only other PPV shows this year to be up from last year at all were Rumble and Mania, both before the overseas declines hit, and Capital Punishment for some reason that I cant really explain other than the show in 2010 in that slot was Fatal Four Way which was a dud of a PPV concept.
As of today, the plan is that in 2012, the PPV schedule will be the same with Rumble, Chamber and Mania. From April through December, the plan is for only SummerSlam and Survivor Series to be national PPVs and the rest will be WWE Network specials. They may also remain on PPV based on the idea that much of the country wont have access to the network. It would make sense to do so because the people, even if its 60,000 to 70,000, who have to pay $44.95 to watch a show that others are watching for free and they know it, will likely make some noise to their cable companies and help garner pressure to the companies to clear the station. The NFL did the same thing, offering a Thursday night game on the network which was shut out from most of the country with the very idea of expecting their fans to complain that their cable company wouldnt allow them to see the game and that would lead to pressure for more clearances. Of course, theres a big difference between the audience numbers that want to watch an NFL game as compared to those that want to watch a B WWE PPV show.
A funny story is when Punk arrived at Madison Square Garden for the 12/27 show, he was denied entry as a security guard didnt buy that he was a wrestler. Another guard recognized him and made sure he got in. Punk tweeted, Sellout the Horizon (the old name of the All-State Arena they played in on Monday) on a Monday, refused entry to the Garden on Tuesday. My life is awesome. Some serious Larry David shit.
The plan is to push Layla in the championship picture just because theyve worn out Phoenix against Kelly and Torres and everyone knows Fox isnt the answer. Ultimately theyll get to Natalya but not sure when that will be.
At the Chicago Raw, they were confiscating any signs related to Colt Cabana. However, a sign that read, Dana, bring back Miguel Torres made its way onto the broadcast, probably because the sign police likely had no idea what that was about.
The plan right now for the Raw Elimination Chamber match is Punk, Del Rio, Miz, Cena, Kane and R-Truth. Im guessing this outcome will be decided based on whether they want to do Cena vs. Rock for the title at Mania or not.
dream
Member
Oh yeah
ESTIMATED NORTH AMERICAN BUYS
1,410,000 - Manny Pacquiao vs. Juan Manuel Marquez
1,250,000 - Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Victor Ortiz
1,100,000 - Manny Pacquiao vs. Shane Mosley
800,000 - UFC 129 (St. Pierre vs. Shields)
785,000 - UFC 124 (St. Pierre vs. Koscheck)
725,000 - UFC 126 (Anderson Silva vs. Belfort)
679,000 - WWE WrestleMania (Cena vs. Miz/Rock ref)
600,000 - Miguel Cotto vs. Antonio Margarito
520,000 - UFC 133 (Jon Jones vs. Jackson)
490,000 - UFC 128 (Rua vs. Jon Jones)
480,000 - UFC 140 (Jon Jones vs. Machida)
335,000 - UFC 134 (Anderson Silva vs. Okami)
330,000 - UFC 131 (Dos Santos vs. Carwin)
325,000 - UFC 130 (Jackson vs. Hamill)
320,000 - UFC 132 (Faber vs. Cruz)
310,000 - UFC 133 (Ortiz vs. Evans)
290,000 - UFC 139 (Henderson vs. Rua)
281,000 - WWE Royal Rumble
280,000 - UFC 137 (Penn vs. Diaz)
260,000 - UFC 125 (Edgar vs. Maynard)
260,000 - UFC 127 (Penn vs. Fitch)
225,000 - UFC 136 (Edgar vs. Maynard)
200,000 - Miguel Cotto vs. Ricardo Mayorga
177,000 - WWE SummerSlam (Cena vs. Punk; HHH referee)
160,000 - WWE Survivor Series (Cena & Rock vs. Miz & R-Truth)
145,000 - WWE Elimination Chamber (Cena vs. Punk vs. Morrison vs. Sheamus vs. Orton vs. R-Truth)
144,000 - WWE Money in the Bank (Cena vs. Punk)
108,000 - WWE Extreme Rules (Cena vs. Miz vs. Morrison cage)
108,000 - WWE Night of Champions (HHH vs. Punk)
101,000 - WWE TLC 2010 (Cena vs. Barrett)
93,000 - WWE Hell in a Cell (Cena vs. Del Rio vs. Punk)
85,000 - WWE Capital Punishment (Cena vs. R-Truth)
72,000 - WWE Over the Limit (Cena vs. Miz I Quit)
70,000 - WWE Vengeance (HHH & Punk vs. Miz & Truth; Del Rio vs. Cena)
LARGEST GATES IN NORTH AMERICA
$12,075,000 - UFC 129 4/30 Toronto Rogers Centre Georges St. Pierre vs. Jake Shields
$6,268,391 - WWE WrestleMania 4/2 Atlanta Georgia Dome Rock appears; John Cena vs. The Miz; Undertaker vs. HHH
$4,603,000 - UFC 124 12/11/10 Montreal Georges St. Pierre vs. Josh Koscheck
$3,926,800 - UFC 137 Las Vegas Mandalay Bay Events Center B.J. Penn vs. Nick Diaz (tickets were all sold for Georges St. Pierre vs. Nick Diaz)
$3,650,825 - UFC 126 2/5 Las Vegas Mandalay Bay Events Center Anderson Silva vs. Vitor Belfort
$2,860,000 - UFC 131 6/11 Vancouver General Motors Place Junior Dos Santos vs. Shane Carwin (tickets were all sold for Dos Santos vs. Brock Lesnar)
$2,577,250 - UFC 130 5/28 Las Vegas MGM Grand Garden Arena Quinton Jackson vs. Matt Hamill
$2.430,000 - UFC 128 3/19 Newark, NJ Shogun Rua vs. Jon Jones (tickets were mostly sold for Rua vs. Rashad Evans)
$2,304,500 - UFC 132 7/2 Las Vegas MGM Grand Garden Arena Urijah Faber vs. Dominick Cruz
$2,230,000 - UFC 136 10/8 Houston Toyota Center Frankie Edgar vs. Gray Maynard
$2,174,780 - UFC 125 1/1 Las Vegas MGM Grand Garden Arena Frankie Edgar vs. Gray Maynard
$2,089,575 - UFC 135 9/24 Denver Pepsi Center Jon Jones vs. Rampage Jackson
$1,500,000 - UFC 133 8/6 Philadelphia Wells Fargo Center Rashad Evans vs. Tito Ortiz
$1,268,600 - UFC 139 11/19 San Jose HP Pavilion Dan Henderson vs. Shogun Rua
$1,182,850 - UFC Fight Night 3/26 Seattle Key Arena Phil Davis vs. Antonio Rogerio Nogueira (tickets were all told for Tito Ortiz vs. Nogueira)
$1,100,000 - WWE Survivor Series 11/20 New York Madison Square Garden The Rock & John Cena vs. The Miz & R-Truth
$1,072,187- UFC on Fox 11/12 Anaheim Honda Center Cain Velasquez vs. Junior Dos Santos
$1,008,150 - WWE SummerSlam 8/14 Los Angeles Sports Arena John Cena vs. C.M. Punk
RIP this wretched company.
ESTIMATED NORTH AMERICAN BUYS
1,410,000 - Manny Pacquiao vs. Juan Manuel Marquez
1,250,000 - Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Victor Ortiz
1,100,000 - Manny Pacquiao vs. Shane Mosley
800,000 - UFC 129 (St. Pierre vs. Shields)
785,000 - UFC 124 (St. Pierre vs. Koscheck)
725,000 - UFC 126 (Anderson Silva vs. Belfort)
679,000 - WWE WrestleMania (Cena vs. Miz/Rock ref)
600,000 - Miguel Cotto vs. Antonio Margarito
520,000 - UFC 133 (Jon Jones vs. Jackson)
490,000 - UFC 128 (Rua vs. Jon Jones)
480,000 - UFC 140 (Jon Jones vs. Machida)
335,000 - UFC 134 (Anderson Silva vs. Okami)
330,000 - UFC 131 (Dos Santos vs. Carwin)
325,000 - UFC 130 (Jackson vs. Hamill)
320,000 - UFC 132 (Faber vs. Cruz)
310,000 - UFC 133 (Ortiz vs. Evans)
290,000 - UFC 139 (Henderson vs. Rua)
281,000 - WWE Royal Rumble
280,000 - UFC 137 (Penn vs. Diaz)
260,000 - UFC 125 (Edgar vs. Maynard)
260,000 - UFC 127 (Penn vs. Fitch)
225,000 - UFC 136 (Edgar vs. Maynard)
200,000 - Miguel Cotto vs. Ricardo Mayorga
177,000 - WWE SummerSlam (Cena vs. Punk; HHH referee)
160,000 - WWE Survivor Series (Cena & Rock vs. Miz & R-Truth)
145,000 - WWE Elimination Chamber (Cena vs. Punk vs. Morrison vs. Sheamus vs. Orton vs. R-Truth)
144,000 - WWE Money in the Bank (Cena vs. Punk)
108,000 - WWE Extreme Rules (Cena vs. Miz vs. Morrison cage)
108,000 - WWE Night of Champions (HHH vs. Punk)
101,000 - WWE TLC 2010 (Cena vs. Barrett)
93,000 - WWE Hell in a Cell (Cena vs. Del Rio vs. Punk)
85,000 - WWE Capital Punishment (Cena vs. R-Truth)
72,000 - WWE Over the Limit (Cena vs. Miz I Quit)
70,000 - WWE Vengeance (HHH & Punk vs. Miz & Truth; Del Rio vs. Cena)
LARGEST GATES IN NORTH AMERICA
$12,075,000 - UFC 129 4/30 Toronto Rogers Centre Georges St. Pierre vs. Jake Shields
$6,268,391 - WWE WrestleMania 4/2 Atlanta Georgia Dome Rock appears; John Cena vs. The Miz; Undertaker vs. HHH
$4,603,000 - UFC 124 12/11/10 Montreal Georges St. Pierre vs. Josh Koscheck
$3,926,800 - UFC 137 Las Vegas Mandalay Bay Events Center B.J. Penn vs. Nick Diaz (tickets were all sold for Georges St. Pierre vs. Nick Diaz)
$3,650,825 - UFC 126 2/5 Las Vegas Mandalay Bay Events Center Anderson Silva vs. Vitor Belfort
$2,860,000 - UFC 131 6/11 Vancouver General Motors Place Junior Dos Santos vs. Shane Carwin (tickets were all sold for Dos Santos vs. Brock Lesnar)
$2,577,250 - UFC 130 5/28 Las Vegas MGM Grand Garden Arena Quinton Jackson vs. Matt Hamill
$2.430,000 - UFC 128 3/19 Newark, NJ Shogun Rua vs. Jon Jones (tickets were mostly sold for Rua vs. Rashad Evans)
$2,304,500 - UFC 132 7/2 Las Vegas MGM Grand Garden Arena Urijah Faber vs. Dominick Cruz
$2,230,000 - UFC 136 10/8 Houston Toyota Center Frankie Edgar vs. Gray Maynard
$2,174,780 - UFC 125 1/1 Las Vegas MGM Grand Garden Arena Frankie Edgar vs. Gray Maynard
$2,089,575 - UFC 135 9/24 Denver Pepsi Center Jon Jones vs. Rampage Jackson
$1,500,000 - UFC 133 8/6 Philadelphia Wells Fargo Center Rashad Evans vs. Tito Ortiz
$1,268,600 - UFC 139 11/19 San Jose HP Pavilion Dan Henderson vs. Shogun Rua
$1,182,850 - UFC Fight Night 3/26 Seattle Key Arena Phil Davis vs. Antonio Rogerio Nogueira (tickets were all told for Tito Ortiz vs. Nogueira)
$1,100,000 - WWE Survivor Series 11/20 New York Madison Square Garden The Rock & John Cena vs. The Miz & R-Truth
$1,072,187- UFC on Fox 11/12 Anaheim Honda Center Cain Velasquez vs. Junior Dos Santos
$1,008,150 - WWE SummerSlam 8/14 Los Angeles Sports Arena John Cena vs. C.M. Punk
RIP this wretched company.
funkystudent
Member
beth vs Natalya would be a good, not embarrassing women's match for wrestlmania.
Can layla wrestle? I forget.
Also I always though WWE missed a fun match not having the bella's wrestle each other wearing matching outfits.
Can layla wrestle? I forget.
Also I always though WWE missed a fun match not having the bella's wrestle each other wearing matching outfits.
lessthananth725
Member
NoRéN;33819066 said:
Awwh mah goodness! I got nothing against lispers dawg. I may not like PBR but I rise above hating lispers
Rafa=FedKilla
Banned
Randy needed the rest and to be close to his family.
I respect you. *extends hand for handshake*
-Pyromaniac-
Member
layla was improving. Where is she
lessthananth725
Member
NoRéN;33819549 said:
I respect you more *shakes hand*
Killing_Joke
Member
Is it too late for the GAF rumble? i'm hoping to get wwe12 by next week.
Pretty sweet. I never understood the PPV business anyways since they get little to no money for it. don't get why a lot of people expect doom for the channel either. Their on demand channel i assume has been doing well since it's still alive. Almost every tv company has 700+ of useless channels.
Pretty sweet. I never understood the PPV business anyways since they get little to no money for it. don't get why a lot of people expect doom for the channel either. Their on demand channel i assume has been doing well since it's still alive. Almost every tv company has 700+ of useless channels.
Net_Wrecker
Member
GOTDAYUM UFC killing those PPV and gate numbers. And I'm shocked boxing can still reach 1m NA buys.
spindashing
Banned
Shelton was something else in the ring. It's a shame his promo skills were not up to par. He's right in that there's room for improvement for everybody. Hopefully he can change and return to the WWE someday. I remember him doing a tryout match and nothing else was said about it. Similar thing happened to Colt Cabana if I remember correctly.
Now lets moves this to television!
lessthananth725
Member
If there's still room in the GAF rumble id like to be in. If not I hope to be in the second or even third pool
Spirit of Jazz
Banned
I can't comprehend a better use of Bella.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
Great news above - a steady and significant decline in UFC buys compared to the 120s. This next 141 show with Brock will do gangbusters but after that the decline will continue. Brock only has a few matches left in him. People are tiring of this barbaric 'sport'. It's a fad and it's time is up soon.
Who's the one in the right? Looks familiar.
billy beane
Banned
Shelton was a great athlete, and it was a shame he never made it to the heights it seemed like he was going to hit early on in his singles career. I still remember when he beat Triple H a couple times on Raw.
-Pyromaniac-
Member
my waifu tessmacher, she's with tna now. Get your fucking mind out of that area now.NoRéN;33819754 said:
-Pyromaniac-
Member
not my fault you weren't around when the waifu selections were going down.NoRéN;33819789 said:
For you.
Why does my brain keep giving this idea that in the past, Heavy wasn't this WWE uber-mark and was actually a normal poster in these threads? I just feel like I remember him being "normal" at a point in time.
I don't think so. If their exposure on FOX is a success, then MMA is here to stay. The problem is that PPV is dying.
You son of a....
Barack Lesnar
Banned
My post was in response to dream's "good riddance this wretched company" troll. To your other point: I got back into wrasslin last January and started posting in the thread quietly trying to catch up on the last decade. I'm fully up to speed now and honestly I've never loved the product more. It was of course better "back in the day" due to megastars like Rocky, Austin, Michaels, but I took it for granted cause I was a dumb kid. Not the case now. I appreciate the product and what they're trying to do.
The ratings will blow and FOX will drive a dagger through Dana's heart.
lessthananth725
Member
So anyone know of any good wrestling books for the kindle? I've read both of Jericho's and Bret Harts. I could use some new reading material for when I'm at work.
Charmicarmicat
Banned
Anything by Foley is really good, also Lance Storm has a book out, of various articles he wrote whilst in WCW. Haven't checked that one out yet but it's meant to be good. Regal's book is meant to be good too (but short), don't know if there is a Kindle version though.
Parallax
best seen in the classic "Shadow of the Beast"
You failed harder than pyro did. You have no claim, you lost that.
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