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Gamer Girls Taking A Stand in thought provoking youtube video
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Finaika
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I'm a gamer.
She looks like Wolverine.
Like what?
Ghost_Protocol
Member
Belongs in the OP
Go_Ly_Dow
Member
The girls in the video.
Don't make a point or a big deal that they play games and don't refer to themselves as girl gamers.
Just another normal hobby which a broad range of demographics enjoy.
Salacious Crumb
Junior Member
So at what point do women win this battle so to speak, when they stop being told to go back to the kitchen and are just called n****s and f*****s like men?
This video isn't about demographics. It's about how their enjoyment of a normal hobby -- which a broad range of demographics enjoy -- is hampered by the persistent and nagging sexism they face online.
The video is unnecessary and obnoxious and I'd like to hear your suggestions on how 'progress can be made'. Does anyone have a magic solution that stops the abuse of women, or hell, anyone online? oh, but if I say they should avoid revealing their gender to avoid abuse that's being a misogynist. great
The only things videos like in the OP achieve is making things worse.
Until some kind of magic solution is found people will just have to put up with abuse if they insist on talking with random idiots.
If this opinion deems me a misogynist, then so be it I guess. I guess I just don't understand, huh?
ClassyPenguin
Banned
Head over to reddit feminism.
Seriously, though. I understand what you're saying but sexism is just part of the bigger problem, which is anonymity on the internet that makes people think they can do/say whatever they want to. There's absolutely no need for anyone to stand up to promote their own personal problem in this matter. If you want to fight against something, fight against the fact that everyone on the internet gets insulted and don't paint a picture in which the insults against you are worse than the insults others have to deal with.
It doesn't matter why you're insulted and I'm pretty sure I've yet to be proven wrong that the form of the insult changes as people get more information about you, the fact that you/and others get insulted online should be the problem.
I'm all for pointing out what a shithole Xbox Live is when it comes to racism, sexism and insults of every kind. What I'm against is female gamers presenting themselves as the only victims in this when this is clearly not the case. They don't point out that - no matter the gender - you'll find lots of assholes on Xbox Live, for example. They don't point out that males also have to deal with shit (though different kinds of shit).
They probably just say that to point out that everything that matters here happens in-game and whatever happens outside of XBL is none of the important business.
This video outlines several specifics for making progress. The primary directive is actively discouraging the reinforcement of this kind of behavior by a) not being a part of it and b) speaking out against it when it happens.
Probably at the point when they are called a fucker just as much as everyone else on the internet. If I speak on a mic, the odds of someone going "what a dude! I bet that guy has a dick" and launching into a sexually-oriented tirade are slim, and I don't have to worry about being badgered because of it. I only have to worry about random and pointless insults and being singled out because I'm winning. I'm not going to speak for everyone but I'm sure that at least a few of the women featured in that video would jump all over that kind of freedom.
That's not what talking trash means.
Females are certainly the near-exclusive victims of sexism on the internet. The volume and veracity and personality of the insults that they receive allot them greater potential toHead over to reddit feminism.
Seriously, though. I understand what you're saying but sexism is just part of the bigger problem, which is anonymity on the internet that makes people think they can do/say whatever they want to. There's absolutely no need for anyone to stand up to promote their own personal problem in this matter. If you want to fight against something, fight against the fact that everyone on the internet gets insulted and don't paint a picture in which the insults against you are worse than the insults others have to deal with.
It doesn't matter why you're insulted and I'm pretty sure I've yet to be proven wrong that the form of the insult changes as people get more information about you, the fact that you/and others get insulted online should be the problem.
I'm all for pointing out what a shithole Xbox Live is when it comes to racism, sexism and insults of every kind. What I'm against is female gamers presenting themselves as the only victims in this when this is clearly not the case. They don't point out that - no matter the gender - you'll find lots of assholes on Xbox Live, for example. They don't point out that males also have to deal with shit (though different kinds of shit).
accumulate and become offensive and troubling. It more resembles pattern bullying in real life than it does the kind of trash talk that I can expect from playing a game.
Well the vid isn't overly stupid or anything and they do have a point I guess, whatever the point is anyway... still, I don't recall there being any movie girls or music girls or comic girls or fishing girls or whatever so it's kinda dumb that they continue to label themselves as gamer girls or girl gamers.
That's all well and good but that's never going to happen. In fact as more and more young teens play games online it's probably just going to get worse.
As far as I'm concerned there are two options (right now) for both genders:
1) grow a thick skin and be completely unaffected by abuse from internet strangers you don't even know
2) mute everyone when playing with random people
They both work well for me! in my early days on online gaming I'd get upset or annoyed over abuse. Now it just bounces off me and I don't care. I understand that this isn't easy for everyone but what alternatives are there exactly apart from completely hiding your identity away?
Sexism is just a symptom. These girls in the video want to do something against the symptoms without talking about why they occur or what the bigger problem is.
I have a feeling it was just a name drop.
How is it never going to happen? I'm doing it right now. I do it literally every day that I use the internet. It is extremely easy to not participate in something, and it takes approximately one tenth of an ounce of courage to actively speak out against a behavior as fundamentally ridiculous as sexism over the internet. Believe me, it's not difficult.
It doesn't take a thick skin to deflect random insults. We're not talking about random insults.
Sexism is the condition. The symptom is sexism on the internet. And I'm fairly convinced that they're tackling the symptom because the problem of sexism is so systemic that they've simply chosen to focus on an area where there's a chance that they might actually make a difference.
Pretty much yeah.Incredibly cringe inducing - reading lines and trying to inject a bit of faux sass in to it.
Your age, gender, sexuality, class or religion don't matter, if there's open chat then you're going to get abused, whether you take that personally or not is entirely up to you. It'd be great if that WASN'T the case, but:
It's an incredibly cringeworthy video.
Sounds about right.
Sexism is used as a tool to insult females on the internet. People who hide behind their anonymity on Xbox Live insult others because they can hide behind their gamertag, not because they want to share their believes (Women belong in the kitchen...).
ElectricBlue187
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I'm not really sure why they so want to engage with the XBL headset children. As a straight male gamer (lol) I disable all voice except my friends on XBL and PSN, there's really no point in keeping it on unless you want to be harassed or be like "omg in so victimized!"
There's no changing immaturity, they jus keep making more kids. The only way to win is not to play (or rather, play with their voices muted)
There's no changing immaturity, they jus keep making more kids. The only way to win is not to play (or rather, play with their voices muted)
Fusion Pizza
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To me the idea that games are dominated by males has been erroded as I have grown older, when I was younger it made sense, games were heavily targeted towards young males.
As I have gained experience in this game called life, I've seen that the more people repeat something, a corresponding amount of scrutiny is called for. People love to jump onto an idea that makes sweeping generalizations on a small amount of facts.
And 12 year old boys will insult ANYTHING.
That's what 12 year old boys do, that and try and get their hands on as many fireworks as possisble.
As I have gained experience in this game called life, I've seen that the more people repeat something, a corresponding amount of scrutiny is called for. People love to jump onto an idea that makes sweeping generalizations on a small amount of facts.
And 12 year old boys will insult ANYTHING.
That's what 12 year old boys do, that and try and get their hands on as many fireworks as possisble.
At the end of the day, it really is just assholes being assholes. The problem is that women have extra "dirt" on them - the fact that they are women. Basically, an asshole is going to say as much as he can to hurt you.
If you are a white male - they make fun of your mother, your sexuality etc
If you are a minority - on top of the stuff above, you get made fun of for being a minority
If you are a white female - on top of the stuff above for the white male, you get made fun of for being a woman
If you are a minority female - you get EVERYTHING thrown at you
The asshole who was going to call people the n-word is most likely the same guy to tell a woman to make him a sandwich
If you are a white male - they make fun of your mother, your sexuality etc
If you are a minority - on top of the stuff above, you get made fun of for being a minority
If you are a white female - on top of the stuff above for the white male, you get made fun of for being a woman
If you are a minority female - you get EVERYTHING thrown at you
The asshole who was going to call people the n-word is most likely the same guy to tell a woman to make him a sandwich
Haha yeah, I moved on to the Vectrex a long time ago.
I don't really see how this is relevant. Are you saying that people who are sexist on the internet aren't actually sexist? Because the tolerance of their own behavior most definitely makes them sexist.
Let's say you're a white male. And let's say that by some mystical voodoo magic, it is revealed through your speaking voice that your mother is dead. It's not something that you can control -- it just happens, and everyone picks up on it immediately, every time you speak. And so these assholes start making fun of you on the basis of your dead mother. You're probably going to interpret this as cruel and it's going to make you not want to play games online anymore, due to the specificity and persistence of the insults. All of these assholes have the exact same fodder, and unlike the scattershot approach that they take with the white male (itself a product of the fact that "you're a white guy" hasn't been conditioned as insulting in the "gamer" lexicon), these insults are true and reinforce a facet of your life in a negative light. They aren't all branches on the same tree, because as soon as the insults become personal and consistent they are an entirely different beast. I don't necessarily disagree with your post, just your assessment as all of these types of insults appearing on a spectrum and being comparable.
Salacious Crumb
Junior Member
Realistically does anyone think this is a fixable problem? This video isn't going to anything but focus attention on the issue. more people will notice it, and when you add a larger audience to the Greater Internet Fuckwad theory you still end up with a total fuckwad.
The issue will never go away as long as people remain Anonymous on the internet.
The issue will never go away as long as people remain Anonymous on the internet.
Fusion Pizza
Member
See the above post highlighting The Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory. What people do behind an online persona might not and is often not the same as what they would do/say in a real social setting.
More Fun To Compute
Member
This is so mawkish and cringe inducing that it could possibly set back the cause of women being accepted by male gamers by 10 years.
IT still reflects on their inner persona imo.
Yeah that about sums it up.
Ugh, gamer chicks.
You would think two awesome things combined would be great, but they're really not. The best girls are those who are totally fine with me playing games, and that like to watch while I'm playing, without getting annoyed or upset. More nerdy than that and my body performs bonercide.
You would think two awesome things combined would be great, but they're really not. The best girls are those who are totally fine with me playing games, and that like to watch while I'm playing, without getting annoyed or upset. More nerdy than that and my body performs bonercide.
Guys talk shit when they're being competitive. You can't reprogram that out of them because you've decided that isn't how you communicate. If you kickass at a game then you will earn respect. If you take advantage of your position as a woman in a mostly male community then you will lose respect. The newslfash is other than immature, 14 year old sections of the internet, most people don't care what your gender is. It's a curiosity and that's about it.
If you want equal treatment then you're going to have to learn that means males will talk to you like they talk to other males, which is not nice. Equality isn't a cafeteria line sort of deal. You don't get to pick which parts you like or else its a double standard.
The video's response to this is "we get it, but you don't have be the asshole."
This won't work. For one, it addresses a you, which I can only assume to be male gamers. It's a you coming from many images of girls. There is a quiet commentary here of "If you be nice we'll like you more" or "Be nice for us girls". This comes off as playing the gender attraction you previously admonish. "It doesn't matter that I have boobs." Secondly, what is "the asshole"? It's hard to say where the line is being drawn here. I talk crap, I give people crap. Am I an asshole? Others use offensive words, but only to get reactions. I deal with them by deflating them in some way. The worst thing to do is to throw a fit in response or get all serious when nobody is serious. That's why "speak up" is a mistake. You aren't going to make some life changing event happen by getting sanctimonious about people's rights and respect when speaking to a troll.
There is also something weird here about "Sure, bludgeon me in digital form, fill my body with a hundred digital bullets and teabag my corpse, but dear lord, don't call me a ho." The situation is already over the top. Unless we're speaking some sort of RP MMO realm, I'm not sure there is a high standard of conduct to be had.
If you want equal treatment then you're going to have to learn that means males will talk to you like they talk to other males, which is not nice. Equality isn't a cafeteria line sort of deal. You don't get to pick which parts you like or else its a double standard.
The video's response to this is "we get it, but you don't have be the asshole."
This won't work. For one, it addresses a you, which I can only assume to be male gamers. It's a you coming from many images of girls. There is a quiet commentary here of "If you be nice we'll like you more" or "Be nice for us girls". This comes off as playing the gender attraction you previously admonish. "It doesn't matter that I have boobs." Secondly, what is "the asshole"? It's hard to say where the line is being drawn here. I talk crap, I give people crap. Am I an asshole? Others use offensive words, but only to get reactions. I deal with them by deflating them in some way. The worst thing to do is to throw a fit in response or get all serious when nobody is serious. That's why "speak up" is a mistake. You aren't going to make some life changing event happen by getting sanctimonious about people's rights and respect when speaking to a troll.
There is also something weird here about "Sure, bludgeon me in digital form, fill my body with a hundred digital bullets and teabag my corpse, but dear lord, don't call me a ho." The situation is already over the top. Unless we're speaking some sort of RP MMO realm, I'm not sure there is a high standard of conduct to be had.
Fusion Pizza
Member
Yes, but societal norms keep it in check.
Right, but that doesn't change the fact that their actions online are most certainly a part of their offline personhood. Any person that lives by a different moral standard online is either delusional (because they believe that their actions do not affect real people) or equally codified by their online standards (because they accept that their actions affect real people but are comfortable with them anyway). An online sexist is just an offline sexist with less confidence and/or more social awareness of how much of a dumbass the rest of society perceives them to be.
Salacious Crumb
Junior Member
That, or immaturity depending on age.
They know what buttons to push. There's not a lot of thought involved as there won't be any consequences (usually). It's not like real life where people know they cannot do certain things - it's the wild west out there on XBL, there are no rules and no expectations as to how you should behave.
Salacious Crumb
Junior Member
Some people will say anything to get a rise out of other people, they don't have to believe what they're saying.
You can be immature till the day you die.
I don't think those insults are equal at all. Indeed, the very fact that female gamers have an extra set of insults made specifically for them says just that. What I do think though, is that a person who doesn't say racist shit is most certainly not going to say sexist shit either. Most of the hateful stuff online comes from the same type of person: the asshole. They are not worth anybody's time anyway. I deal with racist assholes all the time on xbl. I just mute them and enjoy the company of the others.
Salacious Crumb
Junior Member
Yes, but there's an age where it's at least understandable.