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[Ghost_Protocol]

That just sounds like you want impassive and subservient girls who take enjoyment from just staring at you enjoying yourself whilst playing.

Haven't you learned anything from reading this thread?

 

[Inanna]

I don't like to mention that I'm a gamer girl I just love playing games. I'm not here to represent all the female gamers out there. I am just a person who has gaming as a hobby.

I do however hate most female gamers that like to taunt other females and say stuff that you'd hear a douchebag say like "Go to the kitchen" for instance, so odd coming from a gamer who is a female.

 

[Jarmel]

This jew thinks these girls need to harden up. You don't see [insert minority here] starting campaigns after the HALO 2 era and lord knows the girls can't be getting it that bad. Lord knows the idiots that actually spout racist/sexist crap aren't going to spend their time watching this.

Sigh. You kinda just get used to it.

edit: unfortunately the chances of meeting someone willing to act asshole-ish online are astronomically high compared to in person, so it's something that's not likely to stop happening so long as those people feel safe behind the anonymity of the internet.

This is amazing.

 

[Truant]

That just sounds like you want impassive and subservient girls who take enjoyment from just staring at you enjoying yourself whilst playing.

Not at all. This has to go both ways. If my girl has a hobby or activity she does that allows me to spend time with her without being able to actually participate, I'll do that if she wants me to. No problem.

 

[Fugu]

They know what buttons to push. There's not a lot of thought involved as there won't be any consequences (usually). It's not like real life where people know they cannot do certain things - it's the wild west out there on XBL, there are no rules and no expectations as to how you should behave.

Sorry, still not seeing the relevance. I am aware that the internet grants people greater opportunity to express themselves without consequence. The issue is that they express themselves as sexists.

Guys talk shit when they're being competitive. You can't reprogram that out of them because you've decided that isn't how you communicate. If you kickass at a game then you will earn respect. If you take advantage of your position as a woman in a mostly male community then you will lose respect. The newslfash is other than immature, 14 year old sections of the internet, most people don't care what your gender is. It's a curiosity and that's about it.

If you want equal treatment then you're going to have to learn that means males will talk to you like they talk to other males, which is not nice. Equality isn't a cafeteria line sort of deal. You don't get to pick which parts you like or else its a double standard.

The video's response to this is "we get it, but you don't have be the asshole."

This won't work. For one, it addresses a you, which I can only assume to be male gamers. It's a you coming from many images of girls. There is a quiet commentary here of "If you be nice we'll like you more" or "Be nice for us girls". This comes off as playing the gender attraction you previously admonish. "It doesn't matter that I have boobs." Secondly, what is "the asshole"? It's hard to say where the line is being drawn here. I talk crap, I give people crap. Am I an asshole? Others use offensive words, but only to get reactions. I deal with them by deflating them in some way. The worst thing to do is to throw a fit in response or get all serious when nobody is serious. That's why "speak up" is a mistake. You aren't going to make some life changing event happen by getting sanctimonious about people's rights and respect when speaking to a troll.

There is also something weird here about "Sure, bludgeon me in digital form, fill my body with a hundred digital bullets and teabag my corpse, but dear lord, don't call me a ho." The situation is already over the top. Unless we're speaking some sort of RP MMO realm, I'm not sure there is a high standard of conduct to be had.

I've already addressed this line of thinking several times on this page. The issue is the specificity and persistence of the insults. As well, the purpose of sanctimony is to counteract said persistence.

 

[etiolate]

Right, but that doesn't change the fact that their actions online are most certainly a part of their offline personhood. Any person that lives by a different moral standard online is either delusional (because they believe that their actions do not affect real people) or equally codified by their online standards (because they accept that their actions affect real people but are comfortable with them anyway). An online sexist is just an offline sexist with less confidence and/or more social awareness of how much of a dumbass the rest of society perceives them to be.

To the bolded: Yes

But coding this discussion in gender is a mistake. The actual issue is that people have disconnected from the responsibility associated with speaking. They may use sexist or racist words, but that's only due to the general power of those words to evoke reaction. (Which I know you know.) So, why are we approaching this from a gendered view when it's a matter of a change in how people treat and view sincerity? The "GAMER GIRL" aspect totally distracts from what's going on.

 

[Fusion Pizza]

Right, but that doesn't change the fact that their actions online are most certainly a part of their offline personhood. Any person that lives by a different moral standard online is either delusional (because they believe that their actions do not affect real people) or equally codified by their online standards (because they accept that their actions affect real people but are comfortable with them anyway). An online sexist is just an offline sexist with less confidence and/or more social awareness of how much of a dumbass the rest of society perceives them to be.

I agree with you that they are still sexist, and I also concur that they are dumbasses.

 

[Fugu]

Some people will say anything to get a rise out of other people, they don't have to believe what they're saying.

Yeah. But I doubt these videos are targeted at them, because reducing the efficacy of sexism relies on the non-career assholes removing it from their vocabulary first so that it can't be used to deconstruct women.

But coding this discussion in gender is a mistake. The actual issue is that people have disconnected from the responsibility associated with speaking. They may use sexist or racist words, but that's only due to the general power of those words to evoke reaction. (Which I know you know.) So, why are we approaching this from a gendered view when it's a matter of a change in how people treat and view sincerity? The "GAMER GIRL" aspect totally distracts from what's going on.

It is the people disconnected with the responsibility of speaking that I suspect that these videos have the potential to be effective on, because it may actually indicate to them the effect that their words have. This issue is certainly not limited to gender, but I would argue that it is, far and away, the most extreme form of abuse encountered on the internet. It's just my opinion but I would be willing to bet that a thread about online racism would not look much like this.

 

[snap0212]

Sorry, still not seeing the relevance. I am aware that the internet grants people greater opportunity to express themselves without consequence. The issue is that they express themselves as sexists.

There's a difference between saying things and actually meaning things, that's what you seem to ignore here. Or at least that's what it seems like to me. People who act like homophobic assholes aren't necessarily homophobic at all.

 

[ultim8p00]

Also, I really don't think that people have a problem with women identifying themselves as female online, unless they are assholes - which like I said are not worth anybody's time.

I think what's really annoying, or at least with pisses me off, are girls who get on there because they have this assumption in their head that because we are male gamers, we are desperate for their attention. Basically attention whores.

I had a friend whose gamertag was xCassie7eEx or something like that. You could tell she was a girl and she was a gamer. Cool. No big deal

Then you have people like sexyHaloHotNerd or some shit. And while you are allowed to choose whatever gamer tag you want, that just seems attention whoreish. There really is no need to point out that you are a sexy hot nerd. You aren't on a dating site.

It would be equally ridiculous to have a guy with the name HotFamousMovieSTUDster. Why? What's the point? Who cares that you are a hot movie stud?

 

[Replicant]

Not the most effective way of doing it and kinda cheesy but there are some truth to it.

But in general, it's because some people on the internet are more than willing to show their true colors (being sexist/racist/bigot) since they are under the guise of anonymity. It's not just females who cop some flack, other races and those with different sexual orientation got the same kind of shitty treatment.

I am not sure what people can do about it. Societal norm are what keep these monsters inside these douches and usually it takes inebriation OR anonymity to have them show up in full blast. It'd be nice to catch these losers in those moments and have their real identity exposed so that they are aware that just like in RL, you are responsible for what you say and do to other people. Take off the anonymity guise and see them squirm. It probably won't happen though.

 

[reggie]

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[etiolate]

It is the people disconnected with the responsibility of speaking that I suspect that these videos have the potential to be effective on, because it may actually indicate to them the effect that their words have. This issue is certainly not limited to gender, but I would argue that it is, far and away, the most extreme form of abuse encountered on the internet. It's just my opinion but I would be willing to bet that a thread about online racism would not look much like this.

They won't be effective on these people because it is codified in gender. This video comes off a bit too much like the Beauty and The Beast female fantasy. The female taming and educating the unrefined male. This interferes with pointing directly at what is going on, and asking all people if something has changed and if it is harmful. You are dealing with people throwing away the power of their voice for any attention whatsoever. Why? Do they think that the internet, with all its ability to record everything we say and archive it, database it and make it easily accessible for generations to come won't somehow travel back to them in real life? Do they seriously think the future won't care?

"We're girls, be nice." does not touch on these problems at all.

By the gender coding, this because one gendered way of communicating--within competition--seeking to overwrite another gendered way of behavior. What gives one side the right over the other? Temporal morals? Get to the problem, not the shallow surface of "eat a dick".

 

[Fugu]

There's a difference between saying things and actually meaning things, that's what you seem to ignore here. Or at least that's what it seems like to me. People who act like homophobic assholes aren't necessarily homophobic at all.

People who are consistently homophobic on the internet are homophobic. Whether or not they actually believe that gay people do not deserve to exist or whatever becomes irrelevant as soon as they accept that it is appropriate to hinder the betterment of homosexuals. If they don't accept that it's what they're doing by being homophobic on the internet, then they're delusional.

Also, I really don't think that people have a problem with women identifying themselves as female online, unless they are assholes - which like I said are not worth anybody's time.

I think what's really annoying, or at least with pisses me off, are girls who get on there because they have this assumption in their head that because we are male gamers, we are desperate for their attention. Basically attention whores.

I had a friend whose gamertag was xCassie7eEx or something like that. You could tell she was a girl and she was a gamer. Cool. No big deal

Then you have people like sexyHaloHotNerd or some shit. And while you are allowed to choose whatever gamer tag you want, that just seems attention whoreish. There really is no need to point out that you are a sexy hot nerd. You aren't on a dating site.

It would be equally ridiculous to have a guy with the name HotFamousMovieSTUDster. Why? What's the point? Who cares that you are a hot movie stud?

While I think attention-seeking people have a tendency to receive flak regardless of gender, I would guess that a female would probably receive more flak for doing so. I don't have any evidence to back this up so whatever.

However, the more important part of this is the generation of the female "attention whore" stereotype. It is a mainstay in this debate. Indeed, it is a mainstay in this thread. However, it is not a mainstay online and compromises as insignificant a percentage of the total online female population as it does the online male population. It is a gigantic straw man and the discussion of it is almost completely irrelevant in the grand scheme of the whole debate. Most women aren't this way, so why are we discussing it with such frequency? Why doesn't it come up nearly as frequently in discussions about online gamer behavior in general?

They won't be effective on these people because it is codified in gender. This video comes off a bit too much like the Beauty and The Beast female fantasy. The female taming and educating the unrefined male. This interferes with pointing directly at what is going on, and asking all people if something has changed and if it is harmful. You are dealing with people throwing away the power of their voice for any attention whatsoever. Why? Do they think that the internet, with all its ability to record everything we say and archive it, database it and make it easily accessible for generations to come won't somehow travel back to them in real life? Do they seriously think the future won't care?

"We're girls, be nice." does not touch on these problems at all.

By the gender coding, this because one gendered way of communicating--within competition--seeking to overwrite another gendered way of behavior. What gives one side the right over the other? Temporal morals? Get to the problem, not the shallow surface of "eat a dick".

It needs to be codified in gender because the insults are codified in gender. I perceive this as less about the assholes themselves and more about the enablers that accept the systemic presence of sexism on the internet. If the assholes were not enabled by the reaction of the target and the lack of reaction by everyone else in the game (and by the lack of reaction of a lot of people in this thread, and a lot of people on the internet), then the assholes would not have the basis to antagonize females on the internet on the basis of their gender. Like I've said, it is indicative that men are not attacked on the basis of their gender; it is as simple as the fact that being a male on the internet is not remarkable or even worth mentioning.

 

[Thrakier]

I'm prefering the related video much more tbh.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vtk8zW7xF9E#!

 

[Drinkel]

Doesn't this happen to everyone who "stand out" in some way. As soon as someone joins with RUS in their name or a French accent they are bound to receive the same kind of harassment.

 

[Inanna]

Do you see anything feminine in the way I type or in my avatar or my name? The types that DOES this are the ones that are obnoxious about this problem because they're obvious and obviously wanted the attention.

I'm pretty feminine but being feminine isn't the problem. I agree about them wanting attention, but just because you don't get mistaken for a boy doesn't mean that you want attention.

 

[Fugu]

Doesn't this happen to everyone who "stand out" in some way. As soon as someone joins with RUS in their name or a French accent they are bound to receive the same kind of harassment.

Except races aren't drastically and disproportionately under-represented in online games. Racially-motivated harassment isn't acceptable either; it's just not as severe as what we're discussing.

I'm pretty feminine but being feminine isn't the problem. I agree about them wanting attention, but just because you don't get mistaken for a boy doesn't mean that you want attention.

At what point does identifying your gender become obnoxious? Serious question.

 

[Inanna]

Also, I think online communities have changed a lot. I almost always use my mic, I play with friends but I rarely get harassed, and when I do instead of getting into verbal battle I just block and mute them. But then again I play games like MAG, BF3, UC3 etc so maybe people who play games like these aren't really that assholish towards women who game online. I only play on Steam or PSN, never played on XBL.

 

[Salacious Crumb]

Except races aren't drastically and disproportionately under-represented in online games. Racially-motivated harassment isn't acceptable either; it's just not as severe as what we're discussing.

I don't get this point. Are you saying the severity of the insults are the cause of women's under-representation, or that the insults are more severe because women are under-represented?

 

[LiK]

not a fan of the term 'gamer girl'.

 

[etiolate]

It needs to be codified in gender because the insults are codified in gender. I perceive this as less about the assholes themselves and more about the enablers that accept the systemic presence of sexism on the internet. If the assholes were not enabled by the reaction of the target and the lack of reaction by everyone else in the game (and by the lack of reaction of a lot of people in this thread, and a lot of people on the internet), then the assholes would not have the basis to antagonize females on the internet on the basis of their gender. Like I've said, it is indicative that men are not attacked on the basis of their gender; it is as simple as the fact that being a male on the internet is not remarkable or even worth mentioning.

No, they're coded in troll which comes from post-irony.
No reaction is the only reaction they don't want.

 

[aDDiKt24]

Video is terrible - Im going to hang myself. Who wants my gaf account?

 

[Inanna]

At what point does identifying your gender become obnoxious? Serious question.

The ones that keep repeating how much they own men's arses online. And how much better they are compared to all the men out there. The ones who identify themselves as girl gamers instead of just gamers. It has NOTHING to do with being feminine.

I also despise gamers who are tomboyish and think that if you are feminine you are an attention whore. I've run into a few in my life. Hell there is one in this very topic. Saying stuff like "Go to the kitchen" to other girls and "The problem is that you're feminine" etc coming from a girl (tomboy or not) is pretty shocking to me.

But I deal with these girls like I deal with guys that ask if I'm hot, I ignore them. The more you engage them the more they get encouraged. Treat them like losers and they'd stop.

 

[ultim8p00]

People who are consistently homophobic on the internet are homophobic. Whether or not they actually believe that gay people do not deserve to exist or whatever becomes irrelevant as soon as they accept that it is appropriate to hinder the betterment of homosexuals. If they don't accept that it's what they're doing by being homophobic on the internet, then they're delusional.

While I think attention-seeking people have a tendency to receive flak regardless of gender, I would guess that a female would probably receive more flak for doing so. I don't have any evidence to back this up so whatever.

However, the more important part of this is the generation of the female "attention whore" stereotype. It is a mainstay in this debate. Indeed, it is a mainstay in this thread. However, it is not a mainstay online and compromises as insignificant a percentage of the total online female population as it does the online male population. It is a gigantic straw man and the discussion of it is almost completely irrelevant in the grand scheme of the whole debate. Most women aren't this way, so why are we discussing it with such frequency? Why doesn't it come up nearly as frequently in discussions about online gamer behavior in general?



It needs to be codified in gender because the insults are codified in gender. I perceive this as less about the assholes themselves and more about the enablers that accept the systemic presence of sexism on the internet. If the assholes were not enabled by the reaction of the target and the lack of reaction by everyone else in the game (and by the lack of reaction of a lot of people in this thread, and a lot of people on the internet), then the assholes would not have the basis to antagonize females on the internet on the basis of their gender. Like I've said, it is indicative that men are not attacked on the basis of their gender; it is as simple as the fact that being a male on the internet is not remarkable or even worth mentioning.

Well, my response was more of a response to people saying that girls should not identify themselves as girls online. I think that is ridiculous, and what I was saying was that as long as they aren't trying to be attention whores then I don't think anybody should have a problem with a "girly" gamer-tag.

Yes, attention whores tend to receive flak regardless of sex, though I'd argue that there are more female attention whores than male attention whores. This is because males have nothing to gain from attention whoring within a hobby that is stereotypically seen as male, whereas a female tends to look "cooler, more fun, more like the guys, exotic, more desirable because she isn't stuck-up" etc.

Coming from a COD/Halo type circle, the attention whore is NOT a straw man. A lot of the girls I personally have met in the COD, HALO circles tend to be more vocal about the fact that they are girls. I think part of this has to do with the fact that there aren't very many girls in the Halo/COD circles and as such these girls want some kind of special recognition for being able to "hang with the boys," hence the need to have their gamer-tag say "hot girl" in it and the need to remind everyone that they are girls and what have you.

I think that your post has some truth to it, especially concerning gaming in the grander scheme of things, or maybe concerning different types of games -especially when you start including games like WoW and the likes. But the attention whore is very real in games that tend to be more male-exclusive.

 

[etiolate]

Also, I think online communities have changed a lot. I almost always use my mic, I play with friends but I rarely get harassed, and when I do instead of getting into verbal battle I just block and mute them. But then again I play games like MAG, BF3, UC3 etc so maybe people who play games like these aren't really that assholish towards women who game online. I only play on Steam or PSN, never played on XBL.

There is noticeable difference in the levels of fuckwaddery within different communities. XBL gets the worst image. I've never used it so I'm not sure its earned, but people tend to agree that it has the worst offenders. WoW community had some bad behavior that I often saw. Not even just in offensive stuff in a PC way, but stuff that was irritating in a non-stop listing of bad chuck norris jokes every hour. Older communities are generally better. LOTRO had some good people on it at one time. Guild Wars has a more open female presence in its community. TF2, from what I've experienced, is pretty much just fun and instructions. Most of the talk is game based or laughing at something that happened.

 

[daviyoung]

Video is terrible - Im going to hang myself. Who wants my gaf account?

Junior account? Eugh, no way.

 

[SmithnCo]

not a fan of the term 'gamer girl'.

"Gamer" in general is pretty gringe-inducing most of the time.

 

[Bit-Bit]

Girls are just another target for the middle and high school kids who spends all of their time online. Nothing special.

Everyone gets a derogatory word thrown at them when they're on xbox live. Get over it.

Go play a PC game with your friends. Problem solved.

 

[aDDiKt24]

Junior account? Eugh, no way.

Girl gamers need to understand that it's a part of the culture that is online gaming. I wish it wasn't but it is. This video is going to do nothing to help the situation. I have seen plenty of these so called angelic girl gamers proclaim at the end of a game after no shit talking has been spoken "YOU JUST GOT YOUR ASS HANDED TO YOU BY A GIRL!!!!"

Girls gamers - Stop calling yourselves that and call yourself GAMERS!
United GAMERS!

 

[Yoshichan]

Cringe worthy.

 

[ShinNL]

Thank goodness I don't play games with communities like this. I think I know some females in Monster Hunter, Starcraft 2, Street Fighter 4, but the fact is that I don't have to bother remembering who is what gender since it's not important. People who play these kind of games invest a lot of time in the game and have respect for the games themselves. They're not gonna use these games as dating sites.

I'd imagine half the video is made with CoD players, with the amount of 'pwn' and 'snipe' references going on.

 

[m31]

I read this thread so far and decided I don't want to watch the video. Please tell me I made the right decision.

You did the right decision. I had to turn that off somewhere through the middle.

Why go telling everyone you're a girl? Just play the damn game, you will be harassed nonetheless in multiplayer games.

 

[SmithnCo]

Haha, I have GAME GURLZ in my YouTube recommended videos now. Worth it.

 

[Karkador]

The thing I find the most off-putting about this video (and everything "girl gamer" is that they insist they are only interested in "kicking ass", talking trash and "pwning", like that's what BEIN A GAMER is all about and that's what gives them clearance to run in the gaming circles. I understand some people are into competitive games more so than I am, but I find that kind of talk to be really annoying from either gender.

Coming from a group seeking acceptance, though, it also comes off as trying too hard to be cool and assertive.

 

[Night_Trekker]

It's fucking absurd that anybody actually believes there is a real world "solution" to this sort of behavior. There's absolutely nothing anybody can do about it outside of muting the offenders. The millions and millions of people playing online are individuals, each with their own individual personalities, motivations, sets of values, behavioral quirks, cultures, and so on. Nobody controls how these individuals behave except themselves, and the truth is not everybody wants female gamers to go unharassed online. And everybody else has to deal with that, even if they don't like it.

And no, this isn't going to change, even if we open a serious dialogue about it, even if female gamers "take a stand" and "make their voices heard" or whatever emotionally satisfying and ultimately impotent phrases are used, even if paths for progress are outlined by the few people who believe in imaginary roads to some impossible utopia.

By all means, have the discussion. Come up with real world ways to deal with the situation, like ignoring the behavior or playing online games where harassment is minimal (Team Fortress 2 has tons of women playing it, and I've literally never seen a woman harassed for being female on the servers I frequent.) But please be fucking realistic about it. It's insane to me that I share the world with actual adults who are so delusional that they actually believe there is a realistic "solution" to every problem. That isn't true, and in many cases it is never going to be true no matter how high-minded we are, and that's painfully obvious to anyone who bothers to take the blinders of idealism off and observe the real world around them.

 

[Kinyou]

Haha, I have GAME GURLZ in my YouTube recommended videos now. Worth it.

This is amazing.

"My Eyes are so blue today"

 

[ChryZ]

Their video is so fucking pointless: people are assholes online, it doesn't matter if you're a girl. Anyone got to deal with them in way or the other: use mute, grief report them, play with good company/communities.

 

[VanWinkle]

This just makes me think how weird it is that people still talk/listen to strangers on XBL in general or CoD on PSN. Nothing good comes from it. The first thing I do when I get in a game is mute all of them.

 

[domlolz]

Their video is so fucking pointless: people are assholes online, it doesn't matter if you're a girl. Anyone got to deal with them in way or the other: use mute, grief report them, play with good company/communities.

it does matter, you get much more grief for being a woman, why should that happen?

anyway, I'm assuming this thread is full of hilarious sexism and a few kitchen jokes as well! Hahah! GIRLS!

e:Except for Fugo's posts, they are good, good posts Fugo.

 

[navii]

I'm prefering the related video much more tbh.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vtk8zW7xF9E#!

lost me when number 7 appeared

 

[Cousteau]

"You know what kind of player they are.

And what kind of player you are."



This is some next level think tank shit right here.

 

[lowhighkang_LHK]

Does anyone else also hate the term "gamer"

Like - yes, I am one who games. But it's not my job. I don't get paid from it. It's not 'all' I do.

You don't call a person who goes to watch a few movies every few months a "movie-er" Or a person who demonstrates regular hygiene a "bath-er" Though I'd imagine movie-goer would also incite the same kind of response from me. But it's used much less often than "gamer"

Anyway, term gamer just strikes me as a person who does it for a living, or that is all he does. Rather, all he or *she* does (out of respect for this thread).

 

[VGChampion]

People who don't think iPhone gaming makes you a gamer are deluding themselves. If you play a game of any kind guess what you are?

 

[ChryZ]

it does matter, you get much more grief for being a woman, why should that happen?

Even if you manage to stop grief for being a woman, they'll find something else. The only way to solve this whole mess is to stop people being assholes online, good luck with that.

 

[The Technomancer]

Does anyone else also hate the term "gamer"

Like - yes, I am one who games. But it's not my job. I don't get paid from it. It's not 'all' I do.

You don't call a person who goes to watch a few movies every few months a "movie-er" Or a person who demonstrates regular hygiene a "bath-er" Though I'd imagine movie-goer would also incite the same kind of response from me. But it's used much less often than "gamer"

Anyway, term gamer just strikes me as a person who does it for a living, or that is all he does. Rather, all he or *she* does (out of respect for this thread).

Enthusiast subculture pride dude.

 

[lowhighkang_LHK]

Enthusiast subculture pride dude.

We're subculture supporters then.

 

[Metalmurphy]

Who the hell still plays on an Atari?

 

[OrangeYouGlad]

Does anyone else also hate the term "gamer"

Like - yes, I am one who games. But it's not my job. I don't get paid from it. It's not 'all' I do.

You don't call a person who goes to watch a few movies every few months a "movie-er" Or a person who demonstrates regular hygiene a "bath-er" Though I'd imagine movie-goer would also incite the same kind of response from me. But it's used much less often than "gamer"

Anyway, term gamer just strikes me as a person who does it for a living, or that is all he does. Rather, all he or *she* does (out of respect for this thread).

Fun story! Every year my company does a summer event and one year we did an Amazing Race type thing around Toronto with everyone being put on a team. One team believed I would be nothing but a problem for my team because.. I'm a "gamer" and probably couldn't run despite being 5'5" and 120lbs. Apparently being a gamer is almost akin to having a degenerative muscle disease.

 

[la flama blanca]

I don't judge girls based on their gender, I judge them based on how well they play. And I will treat them as equals. By the way, I call men sluts too.