entremet
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I see. Looks pretty recent. I remember two major divisions.
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Sony in big trouble with PS Vita, Portable market in perm decline, rotting - Forbes
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I see. Looks pretty recent. I remember two major divisions.
This comic annoys me (Gabe's argument) because I would rather play one brilliant game than 50 shit games any day of the week. 50 pieces of shit is still a pile of shit.
Callibretto
Member
People keep throwing this around yet they have several DS games including Liberty City Stories, Ghost Trickhantom Detective, and Ace Attorney and plenty of "core" games like Infinity Blade, etc.
the strategy here, Iphone is the dumping ground for old games that have dropped it's value since it's released on dedicated gaming handheld like DS and PSP. without PSP and DS, Librety City Stories, Ghost Trick, and Ace Attorney would never be developed at all exclusively for Iphone if they can't initially sell it for the full $30-$40 value the game actually cost originally.
Why are you assuming all those 50 games are bad?
we.are.the.armada
Member
This sort of response confuses me because what is "shit" is all subjective anyway. Wouldn't the best outcome for something like the Vita be that it has all games from 99 cent apps to 50 dollar games?
Hmmm, I just don't know anymore. The lines are so blurred now.
dream
Member
iPhone gamers seem pretty happy with their games, though.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
I'm sorry for the aside but... picardwtf.gif
A billion people just got Fires for christmas and everywhere I've turned, hype and satisfaction is through the roof. And not a real tablet? Eh? You realize the Fire can run competitive apps at quality, and not just from the Amazon store, right? People are using it for all the regular tablet functions. Just because it doesn't have Infinity Blade (yet) doesn't mean much.
GTP_Daverytimes
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People who use euro do not pay with dollar last time i checked, they get payed in euro and they buy things with euro. Converting it will make it seem expensive but how much is it priced in the United States, as someone already calculated it's in the low $300's.
They told Sony not to release Vita there,
Don't wanna see that box, it's not gon' disappear,
The fire's in Nintendo's eyes and their games are finally here,
No Vita, for Vita
No games to sell, Sony'll do what they can,
But not a lot to do with no Monhan
Sony wants to sell Uncharted but this is Japan
No Vita, for Vita
VITAAAA vitaaa VITTAAA vitttaaa
No one wants a stinky Vita
Showin' how dumpy and wrong is your price
It doesn't matter if your screens are really nice
No Vita, for Vita
Dash Kappei
Not actually that important
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charlequin
Banned
People on every platform are happy with their games. People retroactively justify their purchases by boosting the stuff that doesn't quite match up to their expectations, and this is the most obvious when you have real gems sitting aside areas that don't measure up -- which I'd say is certainly the state of the phone-OS game market today.
Is Infinity Blade a great game that's easily the equal in content and value of < $20 indie/DD games on other platforms? Yes. Have phones successfully monetized a huge breadth of excellent arcade-score-attack, simulation, and other boiled-down genres of a scope that was economically non-viable until recently? Absolutely. Do some games neatly straddle the line and find the greatest success by targeting multiple options out of tablets, phones, handhelds, PCs, and consoles (World of Goo is an example that comes immediately to mind)? Definitely.
But at the same time, people who claim that iOS (the only phone system with a fully-developed gaming marketplace) provides an entirely fulfilling gaming experience for someone who's been a long-time major gaming hobbyist, that a single iPad can sub in for the full range of other gaming delivery systems, are -- rightfully -- looked at as mental, because the market isn't in a state to do that and there are good reasons to believe it won't ever be.
That comic annoys me because how do you measure fun? Is it smiling? Because whenever I see Level-5 fail I smile but I don't really see any fun in that...
we.are.the.armada
Member
They told Sony not to release Vita there,
Don't wanna see that box, it's not gon' disappear,
The fire's in Nintendo's eyes and their games are finally here,
No Vita, for Vita
No games to sell, Sony'll do what they can,
But not a lot to do with no Monhan
Sony wants to sell Uncharted but this is Japan
No Vita, for Vita
VITAAAA vitaaa VITTAAA vitttaaa
No one wants a stinky Vita
Showin' how dumpy and wrong is your price
It doesn't matter if your screens are really nice
No Vita, for Vita
Bwahahahahaha! I sang that out loud just now and that was awesome!
Is it wrong I have the guitar riff in my head now?
I see your anecdotal evidence and counter with this.
I rode the train into Phildelphia 5 days a week for grad school for 2 years.
I saw 2 DS' and 1 PSP in that time.
The train was full of Kindles, Nooks, Android phones, iPads, iPhones and iPod Touches
EDIT - I asked my fiancé when we first met (in the computer lab in college) what she would have thought if she saw me playing a DS or PSP. Her response? She never would have talked to me.
I don't really think that's it. I saw all sorts of people using the DS in public.
I could name 50 non shit iPhone games.
UncleSporky
Member
The thing that gets me about it is that you can only do it once.
One game vs. the best 40 $1 games on a smartphone, ok. Maybe more value there. But 5 games vs. 200 smartphone games? There's no way that 80% of those games are going to be worth your time. Or a modest console library of 15 games vs. 600 smartphone games? Only the first 40 were ever of any value.
Plus I've still only paid full price for two 3DS games. I just got Steel Diver and Pilotwings for $5 each (brand new from Best Buy), and Mighty Switch Force for $5, so the "$40" argument doesn't hold much sway over me.
Filth
Member
They told Sony not to release Vita there,
Don't wanna see that box, it's not gon' disappear,
The fire's in Nintendo's eyes and their games are finally here,
No Vita, for Vita
No games to sell, Sony'll do what they can,
But not a lot to do with no Monhan
Sony wants to sell Uncharted but this is Japan
No Vita, for Vita
VITAAAA vitaaa VITTAAA vitttaaa
No one wants a stinky Vita
Showin' how dumpy and wrong is your price
It doesn't matter if your screens are really nice
No Vita, for Vita
sang outloud beats in my head picturing knife seen replaced by vitas. sir i applaud you 10/10
TheLastCandle
Member
Dynamite Shikoku
Congratulations, you really deserve it!
I will never pay $50 for a portable game. Vita games should be priced at between $15-20 - especially if they are digital downloads. Then I would consider getting one.
You chose a winner! What kind of person judges someone on their personal electronics?
1 game is $50 so far.
1 game.
Want to know how many are launching at $30? A lot more than 1 game.
Does it count if they've been reduced to a dollar before?
Yup, and I don't blame her, honestly. It's not socially acceptable. Stigma attached, etc.
I never really understood why. I'd pay whatever I thought a game was worth. If it looked expensive, I'd be willing to pay more. I don't have like the criteria in my head that portable = worth less.
They told Sony not to release Vita there,
Don't wanna see that box, it's not gon' disappear,
The fire's in Nintendo's eyes and their games are finally here,
No Vita, for Vita
No games to sell, Sony'll do what they can,
But not a lot to do with no Monhan
Sony wants to sell Uncharted but this is Japan
No Vita, for Vita
VITAAAA vitaaa VITTAAA vitttaaa
No one wants a stinky Vita
Showin' how dumpy and wrong is your price
It doesn't matter if your screens are really nice
No Vita, for Vita
I have tears in my eyes.
Dash Kappei
Not actually that important
She sounds like a bright, smart human being, she's definitely a keeper
Uno Venova
Banned
Hmm, did she say she wouldn't talk to you just because you were playing a handheld (which sounds stupid) or because you were preoccupied? Because people are less likely to talk to someone when they doing something.
Trent Strong
Banned
I'm sorry for the aside but... picardwtf.gif
A billion people just got Fires for christmas and everywhere I've turned, hype and satisfaction is through the roof. And not a real tablet? Eh? You realize the Fire can run competitive apps at quality, and not just from the Amazon store, right? People are using it for all the regular tablet functions. Just because it doesn't have Infinity Blade (yet) doesn't mean much.
I've heard nothing but bad things about the Fire.
You know how stupid this sounds right?
Be offended all you want, but that's the public perception.
Like I said, if you want to do it, fine, but it's not really socially acceptable when you're an adult.
EternalGamer
Banned
People who think Tycho wins this argument are people that don't own an IOS device.
JordanLMiller
Member
I was gonna try to actually read all 7 pages. I made it to 2 
I agree with this, but I also believe that there are a large number of people who will overlook the deficiencies of iOS gaming because of the fact they are getting complete multi-function devices instead of something dedicated only to gaming.
Its kind of like my iPad. I never wanted one, but ended up winning one. Then when I had it, I never thought I'd use it as much as my laptop. My laptop can do things much better than my iPad. Over time though, my laptop use decreased as my iPad use increased to the point where I seldom even turn my laptop on any more. The convenience of the iPad, and its multi-function use when iOS5 hit - cloud saving, able to get text messages instantly through iMessaging, all my social media sitting in front of me (yes I know Vita has some of this functionality), plus the fact its an instant-on machine, and I'm at the point where I now overlook the things that it CAN'T do, because I've become integrated to the things that it CAN do.
I'll tell you (almost) exactly what she said.
"It's childish, and you usually only see children playing them. I've only seen little kids play DS' in the waiting room (she works at a hospital) and there's a reason they make princess accessories for these things."
Not really. Part of my job is to teach social skills...usually to kids, but I've worked with adults. This actually came up once.
And I never really understood this. It seems illogical to judge a game's worth by how "expensive" it looked. Hardly thinking in terms of marginal utility, Kev!
You mentioned college computer lab, so that puts you into your mid-20's unless you're a middle age person getting a second leaf at life or something. How is it not acceptable to a young person for another young person to play video games? Did your finace grow up in a mormon household or something?
Wow glad my wife isn't so superficial, thats horrible...
I'm glad I've never dealt with a person within my age bracket like that either. Usually people my age ask me what I'm playing or something when I pull out my PSPgo...
Pureauthor
Member
Might I suggest that perhaps it is not in the best of tastes to rag on SeanR's wife here?
More to the point, even if this article is ultimately correct, it's not providing the evidence needed for us to draw the conclusion the writer did, so it's not very useful.
More to the point, even if this article is ultimately correct, it's not providing the evidence needed for us to draw the conclusion the writer did, so it's not very useful.
25.
Don't get me wrong, I have friends who play games, but they don't follow gaming news, updates, play a large variety, etc.
It's not like it's a bad thing to be a big fan of gaming, but crossing into the "hobby/obsession" area is still looked down on.
I remember a couple years ago I used to keep every game, had a huge collection. One of my friends was over and remarked, "you can't possibly be playing all these games." It made me realize, at my age, how socially unacceptable it is to own a huge collection of games. Sold off everything I wasn't playing and I keep it to about 15 games on my shelf now.
The iPad is always socially acceptable and actually a status symbol. Walk into a board room carrying a 3DS or Vita vs. an iPad and see the difference in the way people react. Even in this day and age gaming has a negative stigma among most adults. Just ask the hosts of the Today Show.
Uno Venova
Banned
Sounds very close minded no offense, I get saying young people but only children? Yikes. I've never run into anyone like that though.
Practically, my indifference curves for video games don't even map logically. But I'd have no problem paying more for a game that cost more to develop ("looking expensive" is my only proxy for development costs).
Otherwise, I'd wait for a price drop.
They told Sony not to release Vita there,
Don't wanna see that box, it's not gon' disappear,
The fire's in Nintendo's eyes and their games are finally here,
No Vita, for Vita
No games to sell, Sony'll do what they can,
But not a lot to do with no Monhan
Sony wants to sell Uncharted but this is Japan
No Vita, for Vita
VITAAAA vitaaa VITTAAA vitttaaa
No one wants a stinky Vita
Showin' how dumpy and wrong is your price
It doesn't matter if your screens are really nice
No Vita, for Vita
omg
We have a winner winner chicken dinner.
Is it though? If you could give your gut opinion on every single issue in the world, do you not think a large percentage would be considered "close minded?"
You see it as close minded because it's your hobby, and it's difficult for you to place yourself in another persons shoes. Think of it from their (or in this case my fiancé's) perspective.
You see the product advertised primarily to children (through the use of children-centric brands) and in your experience you only see children playing the device.
How many of them are less than a dollar or not ports? The comic referred to iPhone games under a buck each.