Complex Shadow
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Oh common man. You can't blame someone for chosing securety over ease of use. I mean even I admit that if your new to the smart phone market an iphone would be smart choice. Droid can burn in... Though.
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Oh common man. You can't blame someone for chosing securety over ease of use. I mean even I admit that if your new to the smart phone market an iphone would be smart choice. Droid can burn in... Though.
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OneNote is really interesting. It's actually one of Microsoft's better products but the document format has had very little traction (and it has other 'competitors' like Evernote, PDF etc). I really don't understand why Apple hasnt made a serious play for this. I think it's going to be even more important that Word, Excel etc over the next decade and Apple still has a chance to own it. I'd of course prefer that an open source document format as portable as .txt becomes the defacto standard... anyway Apple is supposedly announcing a textbook thingie later this month. If they don't announce a notebook initiative to go along with it, they would have made a horrible shortsighted strategic decision. Everyone who has used OneNote on a pen enabled tablet raves about it. One Note could become a really big deal after Win8
The majority of businesses will though and that will have a huge effect on marketshare.
OneNote is really interesting. It's actually one of Microsoft's better products but the document format has had very little traction (and it has other 'competitors' like Evernote, PDF etc). I really don't understand why Apple hasnt made a serious play for this. I think it's going to be even more important that Word, Excel etc over the next decade and Apple still has a chance to own it. I'd of course prefer that an open source document format as portable as .txt becomes the defacto standard... anyway Apple is supposedly announcing a textbook thingie later this month. If they don't announce a notebook initiative to go along with it, they would have made a horrible shortsighted strategic decision. Everyone who has used OneNote on a pen enabled tablet raves about it. One Note could become a really big deal after Win8
Businesses will be the last ones to adopt tablets, let alone new computers or operating systems. They're the slowest sector of the market.
I doubt most people buy iPads to replace their main computer right now. It's complementary. Maybe in the future, but it's not there yet. So I don't see an Office suite to be a big factor just yet, though there's no doubt that MSFT's Mac BU is working on Office for iOS.
I doubt most people buy iPads to replace their main computer right now. It's complementary. Maybe in the future, but it's not there yet. So I don't see an Office suite to be a big factor just yet, though there's no doubt that MSFT's Mac BU is working on Office for iOS.
antiquegamer
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My old work at one point was considering iPad but decided against it due to security and difficult in interface with the rest of the system (all running Windows). A guy who was working on the system said if Microsoft made a decent touch interface tablet they would have consider it if it could interface and integrate with the rest of the system.
brotkasten
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Nokia just bought Smarterphone, a company who developed a multitasking capable featurephone OS.
http://www.smarterphone.com/
It could be for patents, or Nokia is not convinced that Microsoft can scale down Windows Phone enough to make it usable on featurephones. That's an interesting development.
http://www.smarterphone.com/
It could be for patents, or Nokia is not convinced that Microsoft can scale down Windows Phone enough to make it usable on featurephones. That's an interesting development.
I think you're perspective is colored by the iPads. Apple is a consumer electronics company so it's understandable that businesses are the last to adopt their products (although Apple execs never miss the opportunity to mention that almost all of the Fortune 500 have deployed, or are trialing, iPads--which should be a wakeup call for Microsoft). The enterprise is Microsoft's bread and butter though. Windows 7 didn't become the faster selling OS ever because consumers were lining up outside a store to buy it... My anecdote is that most of the 'average' consumers I know buy a pos computer and keep it as long as it holds together, without running any updates since they dont know how while most of the businesses I know invest in a decent computer, run all the security updates and upgrade on a set schedule as a business expense...
An iPad can't replace a family computer. I think it can replace a business computer though. All the business cares about are a couple of apps that the worker uses on the job (a lot of the IT departmemt's responsibilities is locking down the computer to prevent it from being used for family stuff :| ). If the right set of apps were available -- email, Office, professional apps etc -- then it could easily replace a computer for many businesses. The iPad is still far off from that though. Companies are very conservative about changing apps.
Wait, are you serious? You really think more/better features are going to dissuade customers from an iPad this late in the game? I don't think you realize this is less everyone else's game to win, and more apples game to lose.
antiquegamer
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Only other viable pad I think is something like Kindle fire, where it is considerably cheaper. If Microsoft OEM partners can come up with decent 300 tablet then may be Win 8 tablet might have a chance (along with recompiling Xbox Live games and Windows program as an apps). Somehow I doubt this will happen... I can already see overprice tablet with mostly overpriced ported app.
Late? we've only had the opening act here.
Complex Shadow
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Opening act is the only act that matters when it comes to tech these days.
Psychotext
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Not really, unless you consider opening act to be the one that suddenly makes a tech popular.
See mp3 players, smart phones, tablets.
That's aside from Android increasing its marketshare continuously.
Complex Shadow
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Yes because droid tablets are so popular right now. If anything when windows comes in, itl phase out droid. *crosses fingers*
Windows 7 tablets aren't seeing any uptake and those tablets would be the most seamless for business adoption. Business computers need Office and professional apps. That means x86. I just don't see how x86 Windows 8 tablets would change anything since many businesses aren't going to go out of their way to spend more than necessary to get a tablet interface for their apps and ecosystem.
Psychotext
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Wow, so you basically just completely missed the point. Or was that just an attempt at a strawman?
Firstly, I was talking about Android's phone marketshare.
Secondly, one swallow does not a summer make. There are clearly many examples of being successful early on not being everything, in tech as much as anything else.
Right. So you agree, the iPad made tablets popular (and subsequently, set the standard for what tablets should be). Android as an OS increasing in market share is irrelevant here.
I think removing the windows and maybe the Microsoft name from the upcoming tablets would be a smart thing to do for starters.
Psychotext
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Let me simplify.
If you're saying that you can't win the fight without winning the first couple of rounds I'd say you're wrong, and there are plenty of examples of that out there to back that up.
Don't get me wrong, it wont be easy, but tablet computers aren't even close to being mainstream yet. 20m tablets is one thing, 200m is quite another.
If the point is something else entirely... well, then I don't have a clue what statement is trying to be made.
If you're saying that you can't win the fight without winning the first couple of rounds I'd say you're wrong, and there are plenty of examples of that out there to back that up.
Don't get me wrong, it wont be easy, but tablet computers aren't even close to being mainstream yet. 20m tablets is one thing, 200m is quite another.
If the point is something else entirely... well, then I don't have a clue what statement is trying to be made.
What fight? There has to be legitimate competition for there to be a "fight". Also, considering there is never an end to these tech fights, the here and now is all we can go by. As it stands, Apple is winning, so to speak
Psychotext
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Yeah, I think we're at cross purposes here, I tried to clear it up with the edit but I think I'll just have to go with the fact that I don't agree that it's all over in the tablet market. Not even close.
Complex Shadow
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There are no fights. Only races. And as of when the ipad came out apple has been winning. And they plan to keep doing that. Saying that anything can happen is true but that doesn't mean that apple doesn't have soild groud in the tablet market unlike microsoft.
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Tablets will eventually be a 200-300 million/year + market, and Apple will not have the dominant tablet marketshare at that point. You need cheap tablets for that. Apple will have the dominant profit share, though. Its the PC and phone market all over again. Only question is wheter Google or MS will be the dominant tablet OS, and my sense is that it'll be MS.
Psychotext
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Nothing other than cost.
Unless you consider the carrier installed apps to be a bonus... 98% of the time they're nothing but bloat.
Unless you consider the carrier installed apps to be a bonus... 98% of the time they're nothing but bloat.
Ok. Don't really care about the carrier apps. As long as it has Nokia drive. How about updates, how do they work?
BLaZiN PRopHeT
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Personally I've been holding out getting a tablet because im waiting for a windows 8 tablet. Main reason is for office.
brotkasten
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If you get an actual unbranded device, you'll get the updates directly from Microsoft. If it's just unlocked, but still has a carrier branding, you might have to wait until the carrier greenlights the update. That said, the update situation seems to be pretty good right now and you might have an advantage with a branded device, since features like tethering and visual voicemail can be carrier exclusive.
Which one?
Working in a client-facing business that works with a lot of stodgy large enterprise companies (insurance, security, banks, biotech, etc.), you'd be shocked, SHOCKED by how far behind they are.
One company, I think one of the three largest insurers in the world, just moved up to Windows XP.
Our product has to support back to IE6 and Firefox 5.5 at times. There are websites that don't support IE6. Moving at a snail's pace.
Anton Sugar
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Didn't expect to see the 900 but it is pretty cool to see big time nokia advertising at ces. Hopefully means there will be a reason to go see their booth.
Why no white theme?
frontieruk
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Bulk of the NHS is only just moving from IE6 to 7... and the arguments over which version of office to use in trusts is headache inducing.
I have friends that are management consultants, and there are folks in their office that refuse to upgrade from Excel 2003 because they don't want to learn new shortcuts.Bulk of the NHS is only just moving from IE6 to 7... and the arguments over which version of office to use in trusts is headache inducing.
And that's management consulting, which is pretty tech-savvy as an industry compared to, say, accountants or insurance adjusters.
Le sigh.
antiquegamer
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Looks like we are back to carriers/OEM dictate update for Windows Phone. If this is true (look like it is according to the block) they are absolutely just took 10 steps back and really strive to be the friendliest OS to carriers.
http://windowsteamblog.com/windows_...ew-maintenance-release-for-windows-phone.aspx
http://windowsteamblog.com/windows_...ew-maintenance-release-for-windows-phone.aspx
Psychotext
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What does that mean in real terms?
Dunno, I thought that the updated process was always like that?
Basically, in addition to phone testing, the carriers will have to push the yes button for every update pushed from here on out.
Psychotext
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So does that mean they just have to agree, or that they can all have different updates?
Microsoft can finish the update and push it out immediately for unlocked devices.
As for phones still locked to carriers, the carriers will have to request the updates to be put on the phones. That will only occur if someone in the carrier department watches Microsoft pushed out a WP update so he/she can contact MS for approval to accept the update and eventually release it.
antiquegamer
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Well not sure what it really mean because the blog is used unclear term (and this was probably on purposed, and noticed how this is post late on Friday most likely to avoid any negative press they know are coming their way). From what I read, I interpreted it as essentially we will no longer push out update to carrier specific devices unless carrier ask for it. So until At&t decided that they want any of the Windows Phone devices in their portfolio to get update then they won't have to.
Any update is now up to carrier to request. Talking about big Fuck you right before their big roll out, but then again how else they are going to get carrier to sell Windows Phone, they are not Apple and carriers obviously much prefer the Android models where people are "encourage" to get new model to get the new OS version.
Also noted they take down update page.
Well there's always the Nexus with ICS, I heard from some people round here that it's better than Metro.
brotkasten
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So nothing has changed.
Psychotext
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I see. Thanks.
antiquegamer
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If you are brave you can do your own manual update with this update hack tools.
http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2012...ed-get-it-now-and-update-manually/#more-26844
I update mine Titan just now. I went with ball option, no backup since I only have 8 gb left on my C drive and really don't feel like clearing anything out just to update my phone. Talking about another needed update, where the heck is the new Zune software.
http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2012...ed-get-it-now-and-update-manually/#more-26844
I update mine Titan just now. I went with ball option, no backup since I only have 8 gb left on my C drive and really don't feel like clearing anything out just to update my phone. Talking about another needed update, where the heck is the new Zune software.
brotkasten
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When you update manually, make sure you pick the right language.
And the Zune software is dead for now. Maybe Windows 8 will be the new one.
And just one more time: Nothing has changed about the update process.
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