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[Nemesis121]

In 10 years we'll all have the same answer to that question.
Josh Freeman.

:jnc

 

[brentech]

In 10 years we'll all have the same answer to that question.
Josh Freeman.

This isn't an argument for all-time greatest Nathan's Hot Dog Eating Contest

 

[Barack Lesnar]

Manning, I think he's probably up there. Brady*, come one mang.

I used to think that too but look at his body of work. He doesn't get enough credit. Ignorant people drop the Belichick bomb when the discussion comes up but Brady really is that good.

 

[Jason's Ultimatum]

In 10 years we'll all have the same answer to that question.
Matt Flynn.

Fixed

 

[BigAT]

I forgot what game it was last year, but remember him complaining because they got to the stadium too early and it apparently threw him off? That was laughable but he is such a different player right now. Before anything (and I want to say - now that he's passed the whole "at the end of the day" thing, he's got a "first and foremost" thing going) he constantly praises Coughlin and Fewell for getting the team ready and providing a really good game plan. That is a far cry from what we as fans think from game to game. Glad to hear it from Antrel.

He has really turned around my opinion on him.

It was the Colts game, they got absolutely embarrassed during that one. Fewell's gameplan was worthless, they went super heavy against the pass (they had a single active DT that day) and then the Colts ran all over them. And passed all over them.

 

[BaltimoreLarry]

Greatest QBs of all time:
Vinny Testaverde
Eric Zeier
Jim Harbaugh
Tony Banks
Stoney Case
Scott Mitchell
Trent Dilfer
Elvis Grbac
Randall Cunningham
Jeff Blake
Chris Redman
Kyle Boller
Anthony Wright
Steve McNair
Troy Smith

No I didn't leave anyone off.

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This list is super fucking sad

 

[verbum]

He made crucial errors in tight playoff games like the young Peyton used to, like throwing deep when just out of field goal range rather than trying to setup a sure score, not managing the clock well, etc. Marino was a very unimpressive playoff QB in my opinion. He just never grew into what he could have been.

His torn Achilles tendon in 1993 was a heart breaker. He will always be #1 for The Clock Play. You want to talk about some mad Jets.
My excuse for him is he never had a running game threat to take the pressure off of him.

 

[levious]

No I didn't leave anyone off.

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This list is super fucking sad

should probably list Boller twice

 

[Godslay]

If you want an answer, regardless of my homerism, I still say Elway. I feel with him in there we always had a shot. It might not make him the best statisically, or even have the most wins or titles, but he was always close to either the sb or playoff runs with average teams. It wasn't until shanny built talented teams around him that they were able to get over the threshold. I wish I could elaborate more, but I have afternoon meetings.

 

[brentech]

I used to think that too but look at his body of work. He doesn't get enough credit. Ignorant people drop the Belichick bomb when the discussion comes up but Brady really is that good.

It's not ignorant people, it's simple a fact.

I'd argue that he's become a better QB since winning his last Super Bowl, but since he hasn't been able to lock up another since SG...it's really hard to feel great about the guy.

He's an excellent QB and has been consistent, but it's hard to feel good about his biggest moments considering what we know....and what we don't know because it was destroyed. It's not ignorant, it's exactly what it is.

Top 10 QB, I'd say so. Beyond that, well, they've fucked that up for now.

 

[Gigglepoo]

At least we can all agree on one thing -- Joe Namath is better than Dan Marino.

 

[Barack Lesnar]

1. Peyton
2. Marino
3. Brady
4. Unitas
5. Montana
6. Warner
7. Favre
8. Tarkenton
9. Elway (sorry, Terrell Davis and that o-line got him those two rings, at least the 98' one)
10. Brees

 

[ConradCervantes]

Manning, no question.

 

[levious]

He's an excellent QB and has been consistent, but it's hard to feel good about his biggest moments considering what we know....and what we don't know because it was destroyed. It's not ignorant, it's exactly what it is.

Teams have historically stolen signals. Teams for the most part always tape the opposing sideline from their own sideline (this is allowed). NE taped it from their opponents sideline (this is not allowed). What difference does that really make?

The only "significant" allegations about NE was STL making a somewhat meek claim that maybe someone from NE's organization was in the stadium while they were doing their walkthrough.

When Parcells, Madden, Steve Young and others all comment on this "controversy" and say it's not really anything significant, than I'm not going to carry a torch for it.

 

[brentech]

Yes, please ignore everything else I said about him.

 

[ZedIndyLil]

Manning.

I know there's the natural human tendency to look upon the past as the "good old days", where everything was great and now everything sucks, but that's not true with the NFL. The good old days are right now, and Manning is the best of a bunch of future legends.

 

[Barack Lesnar]

considering what we know....and what we don't know because it was destroyed.

You really think the taping had that much of an impact?

 

[Buckethead]

I'm putting this whole goddamn team on my back, do

This thread is a glorious Eznark/Buckethead union

Suit up, Packers-GAF, we've got a 14th Championship to win.

 

[levious]

Yes, please ignore everything else I said about him.

what else did you say? Was there another post? Or was that not directed at me?


I wasn't even someone arguing for Brady as no. 1, just commented on what I quoted and bolded. This isn't forensic class, why do I have to address everything anyway?

 

[Dutch Gronk]

Suit up, Packers-GAF, we've got a 14th Championship to win.

Racist.

 

[Greg]

I'm putting this whole goddamn team on my back, do

You're back! Now you can retire that alternate account and stay the fuck away from every other board on GAF.

edit: and you forgot the Finley avatars - unless they were already taken due to high demand

 

[verbum]

Teams have historically stolen signals. Teams for the most part always tape the opposing sideline from their own sideline (this is allowed). NE taped it from their opponents sideline (this is not allowed). What difference does that really make?

The only "significant" allegations about NE was STL making a somewhat meek claim that maybe someone from NE's organization was in the stadium while they were doing their walkthrough.

When Parcells, Madden, Steve Young and others all comment on this "controversy" and say it's not really anything significant, than I'm not going to carry a torch for it.

The Pats got caught doing it, there were allegations the Broncos were doing it, and now the same weasel is back in Foxboro and probably looking at satellite photos of the Bronco's defense practicing.

 

[Buckethead]

eznark makes better threads anyway.

You're back! Now you can retire that alternate account and stay the fuck away from every other board on GAF.

:jnc Don't have an alt. I like his avatar though.

edit: and you forgot the Finley avatars - unless they were already taken due to high demand

Finley can go screw.

But speaking of Finley, I think I get banned as much as he drops balls. :jnc

 

[Plinko]

Manning.

I know there's the natural human tendency to look upon the past as the "good old days", where everything was great and now everything sucks, but that's not true with the NFL. The good old days are right now, and Manning is the best of a bunch of future legends.

Wrong. It was much harder to throw against those defenses back in Montana's time. The entire game has been restructured over the past 10 years to encourage a pass-first league.

Manning is fantastic and would probably be #2 or #3 on my list but he's playing in a time that is the easiest ever in the league for QBs.

 

[Slo]

Tark! First real consistent scrambling QB in the NFL, and owned pretty much every career NFL passing record when he retired. It's too bad he wasted a few years in New York.

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My research indicates that Tark may be ARog's father, based only on playstyle.

 

[levious]

The Pats got caught doing it, there were allegations the Broncos were doing it, and now the same weasel is back in Foxboro and probably looking at satellite photos of the Bronco's defense practicing.

yes, but look at the distinction between what they were caught doing and what is actually allowed and common (or at least WAS, prior to the mic being granted to the defense).

 

[brentech]

what else did you say? Was there another post? Or was that not directed at me?

Just commenting that I specifically stated he's a great QB that's become better than he was before all of that. So take it as you will.

You really think the taping had that much of an impact?

My point is that we simply don't know what impact it had. No on can claim it had no impact because we don't know what was on it or how they used it. What we know is that it was bad enough to burn it down and not let anyone see.
It possibly had absolutely no impact, but it may have made a big one...maybe. That's all there is to say.

Let me throw some more bread under the bridge for you though.
/nom nom nom

 

[Barack Lesnar]

Wrong. It was much harder to throw against those defenses back in Montana's time. The entire game has been restructured over the past 10 years to encourage a pass-first league.

The defenses 'back in Montana's time' also weren't filled with finely-tuned genetic freaks with an undeniable advantage in fitness, health, and technological resources , so no, I don't agree with that. I think they offset.

Oh and also all the coaching resources in terms of advanced video editing, computer software, and so many other advantages for the defenses.

 

[brentech]

Welcome back Bucket!!

Stay in NFL threads!

 

[cuevas. PhD.]

great, fuckethead is back

 

[squicken]

McKenzie fired Hue Jackson

 

[WanderingWind]

The defenses 'back in Montana's time' also weren't filled with finely-tuned genetic freaks with an undeniable advantage in fitness, health, and technological resources , so no, I don't agree with that. I think they offset.

....that actually makes sense.

 

[Narag]

Packets age is filled beyond capacity now. Fire code dictates one of you will need to leave.

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welcome back!

 

[levious]

....that actually makes sense.

those advantages go for both sides of the ball. Anyone who doesn't see the drastic difference in difficulty in passing between the 70's/80's and today is a fool with a worthless opinion.

 

[xnipx]

Greatest QBs of all time:
Vinny Testaverde
Eric Zeier
Jim Harbaugh
Tony Banks
Stoney Case
Scott Mitchell
Trent Dilfer
Elvis Grbac
Randall Cunningham
Jeff Blake
Chris Redman
Kyle Boller
Anthony Wright
Steve McNair
Troy Smith

No I didn't leave anyone off.

Spoiler

This list is super fucking sad

How many super bowls do we have by now if Troy smiths herpes doesnt flare up right before the season starts??

 

[Barack Lesnar]

those advantages go for both sides of the ball. Anyone who doesn't see the drastic difference in difficulty in passing between the 70's/80's and today is a fool with a worthless opinion.

k

 

[h1nch]

Holy shit @ Hue Jackson firing. Just when the Raiders looked to be on the up and up too...

 

[Slo]

Packets age is filled beyond capacity now. Fire code dictates one of you will need to leave.

Spoiler

welcome back!

LET IT BURN! LET IT BURN! LET IT BURN!

 

[TheFatOne]

@RapSheet
Ian R. Rapoport
From Patriots practice, big news. As in, linemen big. G Logan Mankins and OT Sebastian Vollmer are back. Long time for Vollmer

Great fucking news Pats fans. It seems like no one was missing at practice, and today was full pads so Seabass and Mankins should be ready to go on Saturday. Man this is great news

 

[snesfreak]

Mr. Head is back, oh good.
:jnc

 

[ConradCervantes]

Welcome back, Bucket. I'll keep my far-superior avatar, but it's the thought that counts.

Also, the lack of Flynn avatars saddens me. FIX THIS SHIT GUERRILLA.

 

[Buckethead]

Welcome back, Bucket. I'll keep my far-superior avatar, but it's the thought that counts.

It's all good.

 

[ZedIndyLil]

Wrong. It was much harder to throw against those defenses back in Montana's time. The entire game has been restructured over the past 10 years to encourage a pass-first league.

Manning is fantastic and would probably be #2 or #3 on my list but he's playing in a time that is the easiest ever in the league for QBs.

I agree the rules are out of whack, but I'm separating the rules from the players. I admit I'm also making a bit of a crass popularity argument. Defying trends in every other sport or entertainment, pro football is more popular than ever. The hallowed legends that were made in other sports decades ago are being made right now in the NFL. And Manning is clearly the best of that group.

 

[snesfreak]

Wanna takes bets on how long till he gets banned again?
:jnc

 

[Greg]

How many super bowls do we have by now if Troy smiths herpes doesnt flare up right before the season starts??

One for every national title he won at OSU.

 

[WanderingWind]

those advantages go for both sides of the ball. Anyone who doesn't see the drastic difference in difficulty in passing between the 70's/80's and today is a fool with a worthless opinion.

Relax fucker. It's not that serious.

 

[levious]

Defying trends in every other sport or entertainment, pro football is more popular than ever. The hallowed legends that were made in other sports decades ago are being made right now in the NFL. And Manning is clearly the best of that group.

The NFL has been popular as fuck for like 40 years. Hallowed legends have been made since well before you were born.

Relax fucker. It's not that serious.

wasn't trying to insult you, nor did I mean to come off harsh with that.

 

[Greg]

Wanna takes bets on how long till he gets banned again?
:jnc

I fear his account's status is tied to the Packers' success in the playoffs. Anything less than another WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP and he'll troll his account into oblivion.

Likely after your next one!

:jnc

 

[Narag]

Wanna takes bets on how long till he gets banned again?
:jnc

Likely after your next one!

 

[squicken]

Holy shit @ Hue Jackson firing. Just when the Raiders looked to be on the up and up too...

They had to fire him. He was doing a mad power grab and really set the franchise back a couple of years with that terrible trade.