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Are current PC games a full "Generational Leap" ahead of current console games?
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Try bringing up a Final Fantasy XIII screenshot of Chapter 11. I dare you.
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DKCR would be another Wii game that looks as good as any 360/PS3 game in HD:
SneakyStephan
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If you're good with photoshop just put a blur filter on there and some bloom and a mass effect lense flare and they'll go AAAhhhh I see it now.
Haunted
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so sick
I have the same graphics card and I mostly agree with him. Maybe it's the card! Dun dun dun...
Samaritan Demo is running using a 3-Way SLI GeForce GTX 580 on PC. If we are lucky enough Sony and MS are using current GPU architecture(Nvidia 500 series or AMD 6000) in a single chip. When Next Gen consoles launch around 2013, the PC market will be in Nvidia's 700 series and AMD 8000, powerful enough to run the Samaritan Demo in a single card configuration. So yes, it's a Generation Leap, people thinking that they will get Samaritan level of graphics in the next gen is wrong.
I added an example to my initial post, btw.
My point is that an objective definition really doesn't exist without numerous caveats and points of valid disagreement. It's very clear that this discussion has devolved into a PC vs. Consoles thread (as it expected) whereas the discussion should be how far removed are PC multi-plats from their console counterparts; not in visual fidelity but in 'essence.' Is BF3 on consoles a wholly unrecognizable entity which shares only its name in common? Does one's assessment attempt to remove disparities that exist only as a consequence of the hardware they are on, rather than how much they utilize it from the ground up, i.e., the differences between a 'next-gen' game and current-gen game running on next-gen hardware? To me a next-gen game would be one where at its core it fundamentally could not transition, seem feasible, or exist in any comparable fashion except on a PC. And by that, I mean as a 'core' experience and not if it could transition at certain resolutions and with a certain amount of AA.
BigTnaples
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The Witcher 2 BF3 ect look amazing on PC, and they blow the console versions out of the water. The hardware is MORE than a generation beyond console games.
That said, the software itself is nowhere near a generational leap.
As someone else posted
Sure there is a huge difference between IQ of the PC and 360 version, but they dont look anywhere near a generational leap. Even when taking into account diminishing returns.
Whatever game Naughty Dog desires to make for the PS4 a couple years into the PS4's lifespan, will absolutely blow away the Witcher 2. I guarantee it.
That said, by that time, PC's will be running games that look even better.
This is the way of things.
That said, the software itself is nowhere near a generational leap.
As someone else posted
Sure there is a huge difference between IQ of the PC and 360 version, but they dont look anywhere near a generational leap. Even when taking into account diminishing returns.
Whatever game Naughty Dog desires to make for the PS4 a couple years into the PS4's lifespan, will absolutely blow away the Witcher 2. I guarantee it.
That said, by that time, PC's will be running games that look even better.
This is the way of things.
I would consider BF3 on consoles on the same level as DOOM3 or HL2 on xbox.
I'm not overly impressed with BF3, to be honest. The visuals in that game do nothing for me. I don't think that's a fault with PC gaming...I think it's just a very boring looking game, with some horrendous artistic choices. For example:
AcceptableGhost
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I built my PC like 2 years ago for ~500 and it runs circles around the consoles and it is a huge noticeable difference.
jim-jam bongs
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Are people really trying to tell me they don't see much difference between those Witcher 2 screens and this direct feed UC3 capture?
And to put an even bigger spanner in the works, considering that those 360 shots came out as soon as they announced the port the "console" comparison shots for TW2 were most likely captured on PC with projected settings applied. If you think the 360 version will have DOF and IQ that high-quality you craaaaaaazy.
And to put an even bigger spanner in the works, considering that those 360 shots came out as soon as they announced the port the "console" comparison shots for TW2 were most likely captured on PC with projected settings applied. If you think the 360 version will have DOF and IQ that high-quality you craaaaaaazy.
The Witcher 2 is a gorgeous game, and when reproduced exactly on Next Box, will remain gorgeous, but will be one of those games where people will say "Is this really the leap we were expecting?". The answer would be no...first gen games never look as good as last gen games. Now, pretty much the moment we have this conversation in the future, there will be another conversation about Crysis 3 PC and whether anyone has a rig that can run it in Ultra Setting and the graphics will melt faces.
First off, you'll be looking at a mid-range 700 chip at best. That will not come anywhere near 3x GTX 580 in terms of performance. 3x GTX 580 is 900W TDP. Consoles deal with ~200W total TDP. That's for everything combined, so you have to assume maybe 100-120W TDP at best for a GPU. They're not going to have cards that are 9x as efficient as a GTX 580 in 2 years time. Not even close.
nelsonroyale
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I am pretty sure that the demo was not very optimized at all, they said they could probably get it working on one 580. It was made by like three people or something. That is the kind of visuals I want to see next gen though... I honestly think we will get close to it, given current gen consoles can output something like Uncharted 3...if nothing else it proves that PC devs are absolutely not pushing the hardware to its limits.
When the 360 released I think it had a fairly contemporary card, did it not? They shouldnt release a new console with a 500 series....I am willing to hold out for a while until stuff like Samaritan can be produced. I am content enough playing nice looking games on PC for now, but I want the next consoles to offer a sizeable leap...
Jim-Jam: There are far, far more impressive scenes in U3 than that. I actually think Drake's model looks better than Geralts though. Certainly it animates more impressively.
The desert section for instance: Spoilers http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALkaw5U3rgI&feature=relmfu
I built my PC when the first Crysis came out and I run practically all console ports at 1080p with 4x AA at high/very high settings.
I did upgrade from an 8800gts to a 4890 though.
Raitosaito
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I'm guessing MW3 is Dennis's favorite looking game of the year. Because GOD DAMN.
Foliorum Viridum
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What's with the colours in the console pic?The Witcher 2 BF3 ect look amazing on PC, and they blow the console versions out of the water. The hardware is MORE than a generation beyond console games.
That said, the software itself is nowhere near a generational leap.
As someone else posted
Sure there is a huge difference between IQ of the PC and 360 version, but they dont look anywhere near a generational leap. Even when taking into account diminishing returns.
Whatever game Naughty Dog desires to make for the PS4 a couple years into the PS4's lifespan, will absolutely blow away the Witcher 2. I guarantee it.
That said, by that time, PC's will be running games that look even better.
This is the way of things.
Also, huge difference.
jim-jam bongs
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So... do you have a PC?
Not quite.
Has everyone forgot about Epic's 2011 Unreal NEXT-GEN Tech Demo? It needed THREE GeForce GTX 580 in SLI to get this done.
So yes. Even MOST people running top-end rigs today might have to UPGRADE. My 6970 will overheat trying to run this demo AT THAT LEVEL OF DETAILS with consistent ~30fps.
(EDIT: late :/ )
Are people really trying to tell me they don't see much difference between those Witcher 2 screens and this direct feed UC3 capture?
And to put an even bigger spanner in the works, considering that those 360 shots came out as soon as they announced the port the "console" comparison shots for TW2 were most likely captured on PC with projected settings applied. If you think the 360 version will have DOF and IQ that high-quality you craaaaaaazy.
Does that look like a Wii games to you? The difference between Wii and PS3 is a generational leap. Are you saying there's the same difference between this Uncharted pic you posted and Witcher 2 that there is between a Wii game and Uncharted? Is there magical details that only the PC elitists can see which do not exist to my weary eyes?
They bruteforced the tech-demo with virtually no actual optimization according to themselves. They didn't want to bother with optimizing so just went ahead with a tri sli build.
SapientWolf
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If you have halfway decent hardware and 720p/30fps is good enough for you then you probably won't need to upgrade. Especially considering how well PC titles scale. I just can't see that happening if the new generation of console hw comes out within two years.
You're being overly optimistic if you think next-gen consoles will approach anywhere near the level of the Samaritan demo. Even considering that it's not technically feasible, the development budget just isn't there.
Half-Life 2 did a lot more than just better IQ and framerate. It had lighting effects and physics and other things on a level that just wasn't possible on the PS2 - and they still got it running on the Xbox 1. Even then, current gen games look at lot better than HL2. HL2 was like a half-step forward. Same as DOOM 3, Splinter Cell Chaos Theory, and Riddick back in 2004/5.
Perhaps you're right and these diminishing returns ensure that BF3, TW2, and Crysis 2 PC really are what we get out of next gen consoles. I actually do think that's what PS4 and Xbox 720 games may look like for the first couple years after launch. Remember: a lot of us were disappointed with launch 360 graphics until Gears came out.
Still, there are people in the development community who want shit to look like Avatar, Samaritan, or maybe the CG movies from FFXIII, even if it's just at 30fps or or 720p. At the very least I think next gen games at launch are going to tessellate the fuck out of everything just like they overused normal mapping and called it a day early in this gen.
By saying "diminishing returns" means that we're looking at "next gen" games right now on PC, you're basically admitting that the next gen leap isn't going to look as impressive as previous generational leaps.
Even Xenoblade at 1080p gives 360/PS3 games a run for their money (besides the HUD):
The characters may not look as good, but the environments put FF XIII to shame.
Putting it into shame is a bit too much imo.
Puts it to shame considering it's a Wii title. The world geometry it comparable, but then it also has a ton of foliage going for it as well. FF XIII grass is entirely flat. It's pretty shameful.
And I will agree that Uncharted 3 looks very, very good for a console title. It has the best models I've seen for any game, period. The budget for PC games simply isn't there to produce that kind of artwork.
I think Uncharted is an artistic achievement more than anything.
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Naughty Gods just utterly destroyed Witcher 2 with that shot. That's the difference I see. PCs/games wish they could handle that level of ambient occlusion.Are people really trying to tell me they don't see much difference between those Witcher 2 screens and this direct feed UC3 capture?
jim-jam bongs
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To me that does look like a "Wii game" actually, assuming that's your benchmark for when a game on the HD consoles looks "last gen". There are no magical details:
- Textures blur beyond about 1m because of a lack of AF
- Jaggies everywhere in this bitch
- Low-poly models on the background objects
- 720p
If you use your eyes, these things are readily apparent.
Actually not quite, see above. I do think it's impressive, but I also think a lot of people in this thread are indulging in some cognitive-dissonance.
The point is that we've got to the point with TW2 where you can walk up and press your nose up against a texture and see nothing blurry, where you can inspect a character model and see almost no sharp edges, where DOF actually looks like DOF and not some bad gaussian blur. At this point the things which will push games closer to "Avatar" are better image-quality and framerates, and if people don't think that PC games look a whole generation ahead they won't think it about the consoles when they come out either.
DR2K
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That's um. . . what? I understand liking Xenoblade as a better game, but what exactly are you seeing that could possibly assert that?
Geometry? Oh lordy.
Stallion Free
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Lmao @ those rocks. No way the Wii could handle rendering dat rock detail.
http://uk.geforce.com/whats-new/art...dia-talk-samaritan-and-the-future-of-graphics
The demo was optimized by Nvidia's engineers. Next Gen is not even close to that demo. I expect Witcher 2 at maybe ultra settings no more.
Are people really trying to tell me they don't see much difference between those Witcher 2 screens and this direct feed UC3 capture?
And to put an even bigger spanner in the works, considering that those 360 shots came out as soon as they announced the port the "console" comparison shots for TW2 were most likely captured on PC with projected settings applied. If you think the 360 version will have DOF and IQ that high-quality you craaaaaaazy.
This is supposed to look as good as TW2?
lol
Wow, you've been playing some pretty sweet looking Wii games. On dolphin I presume?
jim-jam bongs
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You are using "Wii game" to mean a game a whole generation behind what I'm playing right now, so yes it does look like a "Wii game" but not a Wii game.
Raitosaito
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Yeah, the Yemin part killed the game for me visually. His teeth even shimmers.
A lot of it does look good though.
Hope you're trolling... take one look at the pool table. Ugh, we need more precise effects next gen.
jim-jam bongs
Member
The console screenshots thread is actually a goldmine of material for this discussion.
So you believe that Uncharted 3 is a whole generation behind and look as atrocious compared to Witcher 2 as Zelda Twilight Princess does next to Uncharted 3. Its the exact same quality difference in your eyes. Sorry, but 99% of people will not see it that way. The Witcher 2 is unquestionably beautiful, with amazing IQ, and is a step in the right direction, but IMO, not a "Leap", a nice big step.
It's either pre-baked or smoke & mirrors. It's definitely not entirely dynamic.