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[Ysiadmihi]

It's too bad Uncharted 3 isn't 1080p. So much detail just to get lost in the blurry mess that is 720p. Oh well, it's not like you'd notice it sitting 8ft away from your TV anyway...

 

[XiaNaphryz]

Which we've been trying to tell you they are. The largest improvement you are likely to get next gen, and this is completely dependent on what hardware the systems are packing, is engines designed around tessellation. That is the only potential paradigm shift in realtime rendering going into next gen. Everything else is more of what made this current gen of games look good. Higher precision, but still the same underlying tech.

Until the tech sees that next huge shift all you are going to get is iteration on iteration. You guys with sky high expectations need to temper them. Or just skip next gen. Because the tech will be powerful, insanely so by any metric. But no where close to what some of you expect.

Avatar in real time man, just you wait! ;P

 

[Pranay]

It's too bad Uncharted 3 isn't 1080p. So much detail just to get lost in the blurry mess that is 720p. Oh well, it's not like you'd notice it sitting 8ft away from your TV anyway...

Viewing Distance does matter but the AA in Uncharted 3 was very much terrible.

 

[Log4Girlz]

You should totally check out the Wolfire games vlog:

Their animation techniques are awesome.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ta5SYgh5kDw

Damn now I'm watching tons of videos and its got my imagination racing.

 

[Special J]

Its Pranay btw

credits go to aldro from nd forum who took these screenshots.



Also he posted some multiplayer screenshots , though im pretty sure they are done through cinema mode, characters models are crap though

kinda reminds me of really bad HDR photography

 

[shintoki]

Cinema mode != reality

Don't even need to say that. When you narrow your canvas down to a fraction of the size. Its going be easier to make it look more impressive. At the low end of HD, having to fight for 30FPS, Areas that progress in a strictly linear fashion, more awe going on the more scripted and linear its going to be.

I don't think screenshots really capture the difference between the systems. In many cases, they completely downplay the strengths of PC while hiding faults in consoles. Instead of just showing the pretty picture, but still stuck inside a tiny box. You can push out that box multiple times further, while still showing the same pretty picture. All in HD, with 60FPS.

 

[Krauser Kat]

someone post crysis one shots running with crazy amounts of shadows.

This is the first gen where shaders are not going to be brand new. no normal maps to normal mapping is a huge step. All i expect is full usage of AO and per lighting shadows for everything.

Sykrim is always going to look ugly as fuck when the lighting in the dungeons does not actually cast light. Same goes for almost this entire generation. Better shadows is going to make next gen games, "next gen" if i see one more staircase on some fuckers face i will burn that POS to the ground.

 

[Thunder Monkey]

And I'm really sorry to say this to my PC gaming brethren that want good IQ, and stable framerates... it won't happen. Won't.

Those will be the first things sacrificed when they hit any wall in what performance they want.

 

[Metroid-Squadron]

Does that look like a Wii games to you? The difference between Wii and PS3 is a generational leap. Are you saying there's the same difference between this Uncharted pic you posted and Witcher 2 that there is between a Wii game and Uncharted? Is there magical details that only the PC elitists can see which do not exist to my weary eyes?

Considering one takes place in a massive open world with fully realtime lighting and other in comparatively tiny rooms with most of the lighting prebaked, it's a HUGE difference.

In any case, PC wins easily:

Realtime path-tracing Pong:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCqXd6bAw0k

 

[Raitosaito]

The dithering hurts my eyes. ;_;

I don't recall the game having bad dithering like that.

Well, FFXIII-2 has worse dithering if you have seen the japanese version analysis video. On the 360 the average FPS is like 21 frames.

Square-Enix for shame

 

[NervousXtian]

Whenever I read these threads, I wonder if some of you guys even enjoy playing games. Anyone who thinks UC3 looks like shit can't really truly enjoy playing games.

PC's are powerful, we all know this. I like my PC, but I play my consoles considerably more for various reasons.

High IQ means jack and shit with bad art and animation. Witcher 2 IQ wise blows away UC3, but I can understand why someone would prefer the overall graphics package of UC3, because in the end it's pretty polished product.

Also, kind of funny when people want to talk up tech demos to show the power of the PC. Tech demos are great to look at, but I play "games".

 

[delta25]

lol pc what do pc have minesweeper?

look at this

yuck, I'll admit, Homefront is one of those rare games where a high end PC IQ really does wonders for the games overall visuals.

 

[ScepticMatt]

Better shadows is going to make next gen games, "next gen" if i see one more staircase on some fuckers face i will burn that POS to the ground.

Not kidding. Battlefield 3 and Crysis 2 were quite good, but it's still a very long way to realtime full global illumination raytracing voxel engines ...

 

[TheExodu5]

Whenever I read these threads, I wonder if some of you guys even enjoy playing games. Anyone who thinks UC3 looks like shit can't really truly enjoy playing games.

I think UC3 looks good at times, and bad other times, and I enjoy playing it. What say you?

 

[jim-jam bongs]

Whenever I read these threads, I wonder if some of you guys even enjoy playing games. Anyone who thinks UC3 looks like shit can't really truly enjoy playing games.

Bold statement, and totally incorrect. I'll happily play games which look like shit to me if they're fun. Hell, I'm playing Final Fantasy 7 on and off right now, and was playing Arcanum before that. One of my favourite games from last year is Dungeons of Dredmor which isn't really a graphical beast.

That said, if someone uses UC3 as a reason why console hardware shouldn't be updated, or as a demonstration of how close the gap between it and a high-end PC game is, then I'll call them on their bullshit.

 

[SapientWolf]

Its Pranay btw

credits go to aldro from nd forum who took these screenshots.



Also he posted some multiplayer screenshots , though im pretty sure they are done through cinema mode, characters models are crap though

Why did Nathan Drake have to ruin those nice set of shots with his blurry, derpy mug?

 

[Grayman]

I believe that the end of Desktop PC's is very near. After watching CES. Its very clear that desktops are already dying. The future is glass/touch/audio command. I am very curious where will go from here. Where is the future of pc gaming headed? Will it be as customizable?

well the publishers and consoles couldn't do it so now the great tablet is killing PC gaming?

 

[delta25]

It's too bad Uncharted 3 isn't 1080p. So much detail just to get lost in the blurry mess that is 720p.

give me a break, even at 720p the game rivals some of the PC's top tier regardless of what resolution the game is running at.

Oh well, it's not like you'd notice it sitting 8ft away from your TV anyway.

Is this really necessary?

 

[Pranay]

I think UC3 looks good at times, and bad other times, and I enjoy playing it. What say you?

uncharted 3 was very much disappointing interms of IQ.TBH IQ in uncharted 2 was better

I was hoping for the IQ to be atleast as good as gow 3.


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the mp models are quite bad <_<

 

[iam220]

yuck, I'll admit, Homefront is one of those rare games where a high end PC IQ really does wonders for the games overall visuals.

one of those rare games

rare

Insanity. It's rare when a high end PC IQ does NOT do wonders for the games overall visuals. Not the other way around.

 

[Raitosaito]

Whenever I read these threads, I wonder if some of you guys even enjoy playing games. Anyone who thinks UC3 looks like shit can't really truly enjoy playing games.

PC's are powerful, we all know this. I like my PC, but I play my consoles considerably more for various reasons.

High IQ means jack and shit with bad art and animation. Witcher 2 IQ wise blows away UC3, but I can understand why someone would prefer the overall graphics package of UC3, because in the end it's pretty polished product.

Also, kind of funny when people want to talk up tech demos to show the power of the PC. Tech demos are great to look at, but I play "games".

I enjoy Nintendo games more than most titles other developers put out, and people always say they look like shit. Still, PC games look better than current 360/PS3 games and to deny that better IQ doesn't have an effect on my enjoyment, it would just be me lying. Those guys saying games need AA/1080p/goodIQ probably enjoy games too, but they like the games to be presented in the best possible light. I'm sorry we all have opinions; saying we don't enjoy games though is a bit ridiculous and is avoiding the whole topic of "what is next gen".

give me a break, even at 720p the game rivals some of the PC's top tier regardless of what resolution the game is running at.

Resolution magically doesn't matter now?

 

[Necronomikon]

What will happen is that everyone who said The Witcher 2 wasn't all that, will suddenly act like the new consoles are bringing never before imagined visual fidelity.

PC graphics are shit right up until the moment they are reproduced by a console - then they are "stunning!"

Amen brother!

There is a "generational leap" between PCs and consoles, the thing is that people is not able to distinguish the differences yet! That and game art direction helps to hide all the "flaws" or technical hindrances consoles brings (overuse of motion blur, bloom, skyboxes, etc).

The thing is that this generation won't bring a huge generation leap as the old ones, because developing is more demanding thus elevating costs... and that people just don't notice the differences between great IQ and normal IQ.

 

[jim-jam bongs]

Resolution magically doesn't matter now?

I'm fairly sure he was saying that 720p console games rival the PC's best when the best is running at 1080p.

Mmmmhmm.

 

[delta25]

Resolution magically doesn't matter now?

Some games, sure, other games, no. Resistance 3 is a prime example of how you can still have a great looking game regardless of the IQ present.

 

[Pranay]

Some games, sure, other games, no. Resistance 3 is a prime example of how you can still have a great looking game regardless of the IQ present.

umm Yes, Resistance 3 does look great especially the effects in the game.

 

[delta25]

I'm fairly sure he was saying that 720p console games rival the PC's best when the best is running at 1080p.

Mmmmhmm.

Mmmmhmmmm

 

[RibbedHero]

give me a break, even at 720p the game rivals some of the PC's top tier regardless of what resolution the game is running at.

Nah. Maybe the mid-tier.

 

[NervousXtian]

That said, if someone uses UC3 as a reason why console hardware shouldn't be updated, or as a demonstration of how close the gap between it and a high-end PC game is, then I'll call them on their bullshit.

Well, I didn't read the whole thread, but yeah if someone is saying UC3 is "good enough" to not update console gens or as good as a high-end PC.. they are wrong.

UC3 looks great for the hardware it runs on. It's good enough for me on consoles right now, and if the next gen consoles can pull of TW2 from modest developers then I can't wait for people who have the money to fully optimize things.

..andl someone was talking about Metro 2033 as high point of graphics, and it was a great looking game, but the game itself? Pretty shit.

 

[delta25]

Nah. Maybe the mid-tier.

more like uber-tier

 

[Ysiadmihi]

Resolution magically doesn't matter now?

Console-only gamers loooooooooooooove talking about resolution, AA, framerate etc. and will argue endlessly about minor differences between 360 and PS3 games...but then when PC is brought up, they suddenly couldn't care less about any of these since their favorite system just can't compare.

 

[jim-jam bongs]

According to Google this is Resistance 3 direct-feed:

 

[Black_Stride]

According to Google this is Resistance 3 direct-feed:

According to me this looks like shit.

 

[Raitosaito]

I'm fairly sure he was saying that 720p console games rival the PC's best when the best is running at 1080p.

Mmmmhmm.

I know I know. Is just the consoles can't output Uncharted at 1080p with all the bells and whistles of a PC so this hypothetical comparison doesn't exist.

Console-only gamers loooooooooooooove talking about resolution, AA, framerate etc. and will argue endlessly about minor differences between 360 and PS3 games...but then when PC is brought up, they suddenly couldn't care less about any of these since their favorite system just can't compare.

Pretty much

 

[jim-jam bongs]

hay gusy did you know that wipeout hd sometimes runs at a resolution which is technically 1080p???

 

[Thunder Monkey]

Just keeps going around in circles.

UC3 in a purely technical sense is not even close to a top end PC title. No game made for either the PS3 or 360 can be... because their tech is developed with 2004-2005 tech in mind.

Artistically though... Wii games can look good, DS games. Artistry can only be expanded with more tech, but isn't hindered by a lack of it.

This isn't about the artistic side. This is about pure tech. High end BF3 on a top of the line PC has access to tech no PS3 or 360 game can. Simple cold hard truth there. The hardware is at the very least of a generation removed.

Uncharted, Resistance, even Skyward Sword can be the prettiest game you've ever seen. But please guys... stop acting like artistic merit is in any way shape or form like technical proficiency.

 

[delta25]

umm Yes, Resistance 3 does look great especially the effects in the game.

Dat lighting.

I wish I knew where I could find the falling snow gif, best looking falling snow I've ever seen in a game

 

[Thunder Monkey]

Yes yes.

Very pretty game. Has nothing to do with what we're talking about, but thanks.

 

[XiaNaphryz]

Dat lighting.
http://k.minus.com/ibycVDswU8sHhD.gif[/IMG

I wish I knew where I could find the falling snow gif, best looking falling snow I've ever seen in a game[/QUOTE]
All I'm seeing are the areas that could be better. :/

It's the downside of always working on high-end stuff with people pushing the envelope every day. The shadows are hurting actually my eyes in that loop.

 

[delta25]

Yes yes.

Very pretty game. Has nothing to do with what we're talking about, but thanks.

well fine then.

IMO yes, hardware wise there's no denying that PC's are a full generation ahead of current gen consoles, but software wise, well, I personally don't think so, but I can point you in the direction towards a few frothing mouths that think otherwise.

 

[jim-jam bongs]

All I'm seeing are the areas that could be better. :/

It's the downside of always working on high-end stuff with people pushing the envelope every day. The shadows are hurting actually my eyes in that loop.

You work for ILM don't you? I remember you explaining why you thought that the UNLIMITED DETAIL guys were full of crap and being totally ignored.

 

[Vulcano's assistant]

well fine then.

IMO yes, hardware wise there's no denying that PC's are a full generation ahead of current gen consoles, but software wise, well, I personally don't think so, but I can point you in the direction towards a few frothing mouths that think otherwise.

True, no game is next gen yet. Though I believe that software-wise Cryengine 3 and few others are next gen ready.

 

[BlazingDarkness]

Absolutely not.

There are games like Witcher 2 with lots of bells and whistles with all of the post-processing effects and whatnot, but there's nothing I've seen that is a generation apart from what's been released on consoles

 

[Pranay]

According to Google this is Resistance 3 direct-feed:

worst looking level + old build demo


You need to play it, screens wont do justic to the game.

 

[Ysiadmihi]

You need to play it, screens wont do justic to the game.

But actually playing PC games in order to make fair comparisons is a ridiculous idea, amirite?

 

[Pranay]

But actually playing PC games in order to make fair comparisons is a ridiculous idea, amirite?

Well Resistance 3 IQ is terrible imo but the lighting and effects totally make up for it.

That screenshots is from a old build which did put off a lot of people

 

[AcceptableGhost]

worst looking level + old build demo


You need to play it, screens wont do justic to the game.

I own the game and have played some of it. It looks fairly blurry in general (sub-720 res lol). It has some nice effects but it is not an amazing looking game technically (and has terrible IQ), and it doesn't run at 60FPS like their previous games. I do plan to play through the game sometime though in full.

 

[jim-jam bongs]

Well Resistance 3 IQ is terrible imo but the lighting and effects totally make up for it.

That screenshots is from a old build which did put off a lot of people

Okay, but so far the pro Resistance 3 crowd has produced one blurry GIF which is basically completely devoid of light for 95% of the scene. I'm willing to be convinced that the game is a looker despite having horrible IQ, if you can show me some media from the game which demonstrates the point you're making that would be a start.

 

[AcceptableGhost]

Okay, but so far the pro Resistance 3 crowd has produced one blurry GIF which is basically completely devoid of light for 95% of the scene. I'm willing to be convinced that the game is a looker despite having horrible IQ, if you can show me some media from the game which demonstrates the point you're making that would be a start.

Not going to find an unblurry shot given that it runs at 960x704 according to DF.

 

[Pranay]

I own the game and have played some of it. It looks fairly blurry in general (sub-720 res lol). It has some nice effects but it is not an amazing looking game technically (and has terrible IQ), and it doesn't run at 60FPS like their previous games. I do plan to play through the game sometime though in full.

The latter part of the game is really really good.

You should complete it, its the best fps this year imo.

Not going to find an unblurry shot given that it runs at 960x704 according to DF.

tbh many didnt mind the sub hd since the added effects did make up for it.

 

[delta25]

Okay, but so far the pro Resistance 3 crowd has produced one blurry GIF which is basically completely devoid of light for 95% of the scene. I'm willing to be convinced that the game is a looker despite having horrible IQ, if you can show me some media from the game which demonstrates the point you're making that would be a start.

Do you have a PS3, why not give the game a try, maybe rent it?