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[zbroome]

KWA is coming out with new gas recoil M4's.

Functions exactly the same as real steel. Bolt even locks back and you have to press bolt release to reengage.

Better than buying a $1000 + Systema PTW.

I already play airsoft, so might as well.

If you want an M4 that's not even an M4, then why don't you get Smith and Wesson's MP15-22.

Have fun with your BB gun I suppose.

Here are a few of my toys:

This is my latest build, finished it about 2 weeks ago. I can add specs if anyone would like me to.

Savage TR-22 trainer

PK 380 and lil borther P22

Artsy picture of my G19 and LCP

Daniel Defense M4XV

SW 642, NO lock

Long range M4 that I built up about a year ago

AK47 Mini Draco

Paratrooper M1 Carbine from WWII

Rem 870 Express Tactical

My two M44 from WWII

My two babies

Squirrel Slayer Marlin 60

Bud helping set up my new gun safe

 

[ChiTownBuffalo]

If you want an M4 that's not even an M4, then why don't you get Smith and Wesson's MP15-22.

Have fun with your BB gun I suppose.

That's just the one with Magpul furniture.

It IS fun!

I can sneak up on some homophobic/racist slur spewing COD kid, that's just camping on some pathin the woods. And ZING. Welt him in the back fat.

I can't sneak up to the same kid and shoot him with a real gun. Not in this country.

People do consider it legitimate training. I play with cops all the time.

 

[JetBlackPanda]

That's just the one with Magpul furniture.

It IS fun!

I can sneak up on some homophobic/racist slur spewing COD kid, that's just camping on some pathin the woods. And ZING. Welt him in the back fat.

I can't sneak up to the same kid and shoot him with a real gun. Not in this country.

why are you shooting random people with anything?

I suppose if you are playing airsoft then whatever but you won't get many people in this thread to tell you its a good idea to spent $500 on a toy.

if you enjoy airsoft then more power to you I guess.

 

[ChiTownBuffalo]

why are you shooting random people with anything?

I suppose if you are playing airsoft then whatever but you won't get many people in this thread to tell you its a good idea to spent $500 on a toy.

Why am I shooting people?

Because they come to an airsoft event, where they know they are going to be shot at?

Nah. But whatever. It's my hobby.

Like I said, it's a great training tool. I can practice my basic and mechanics without spent as much money on ammo. The ags recoil system helps me learn to reacquire my sight picture, etc.

 

[JetBlackPanda]

Why am I shooting people?

Because they come to an airsoft event, where they know they are going to be shot at?

Nah. But whatever. It's my hobby.

Like I said, it's a great training tool. I can practice my basic and mechanics without spent as much money on ammo. The ags recoil system helps me learn to reacquire my sight picture, etc.

Yah its your hobby so that's cool. if you pick it up post some pics.

 

[ChiTownBuffalo]

If you want an M4 that's not even an M4, then why don't you get Smith and Wesson's MP15-22.

Have fun with your BB gun I suppose.

Did you get a complete 416 and add the MOE stuff, or did you just purchase a lower?

 

[zbroome]

Did you get a complete 416 and add the MOE stuff, or did you just purchase a lower?

We don't have that where I live.

 

[BattleMonkey]

I do collect both airsoft and real steel. There is lot of dudes in the business who play airsoft I find. Our local group has several cops, marines, army, and PMC who play it as a hobby. We used to do camping games also where everyone brought out their real steel also and they would set up a shooting range in the forest for everyone to shoot real deal while we have games of airsoft going as well in between (not at same time!).

 

[ChiTownBuffalo]

We don't have that where I live.

Oh, its another manufacturer that makes receivers with H&K style selector icons?

 

[zbroome]

Oh, its another manufacturer that makes receivers with H&K style selector icons?

What weapon are you talking about? If you are talking about the Daniel Defense, then that is just a standard lower. Every selector on every AR or M4 looks just like that.

 

[ChiTownBuffalo]

What weapon are you talking about? If you are talking about the Daniel Defense, then that is just a standard lower. Every selector on every AR or M4 looks just like that.

Not the Daniel Defense, the one below it with the RIS.

 

[zbroome]

Not the Daniel Defense, the one below it with the RIS.

RIS?

 

[ChiTownBuffalo]

RIS?

Or RAS. The rail. With the tan furniture, the tan MagPul grip, AFG, PMAG, MBUS and stock

 

[zbroome]

The one with the FDE furniture is

Bravo Company 14.5 Barrel
Midwest Industries Rail
PWS 556 Compensator
Spikes Tactical Lower
Magpul Stock, Grip, Trigger Guard, and MBUS Sights
M16 polished bolt carrier group
Bravo Company Tactical Charging Handle

I put that one together piece by piece, the lower is just a standard lower with standard markings. All M4 you see will have the same selector like that one.

Edit:
Ohhh, your talking about the red and white color scheme on the selector? Yeah, I just had that done by Spikes to make it have a little more bling.

 

[ChiTownBuffalo]

I put that one together piece by piece, the lower is just a standard lower with standard markings. All M4 you see will have the same selector like that one.

Edit:
Ohhh, your talking about the red and white color scheme on the selector? Yeah, I just had that done by Spikes to make it have a little more bling.

Oh ok. Yeah, that's what I was getting at.

What the twist on your barrel?

I was thinking about getting a 1x8, but I'm probably better off with 1x9.

 

[zbroome]

Mine are both 1:7, I like shooting a heavier bullet

 

[ChiTownBuffalo]

Mine are both 1:7, I like shooting a heavier bullet

1:7 is SPR twist?

 

[Laekon]

I will be shooting some hand tossed clays this weekend. I haven't shot clay at a range in quite a few years. Only type I have done, is Trap. Skeet is a bit more challenging, as the bird comes from a different direction, compared to the same direction in Trap. Sporting Clays looks to be a lot of fun, kind of like golf with a shotgun. Mostly, I just prefer to get some wide open BLM land, a few friends and a hand tosser. I am also thinking about getting a semi-auto 12 this year. Not sure which make or model, I just know I want a new gun and it's either going to be the semi-auto 12 or a bolt action .308

We shot at an outdoor range that just had a spring loaded clay launcher attached to a fence. It could launch 2 clays at a time in different directions.

I'm going to a sporting clay and skeet range a few more times and then start looking for a semi-auto 12 gauge. Probably go for a used Beretta 391 or Remington 1100.

 

[Babalu.]

so my uncle died a month ago and while cleaning out his rooms (he stayed and took care of his bedridden mom) we found a whole bunch of guns. Rifles, an old WWII rifle from his dad, ak47, ar15 and just a bunch of hunting rifles.

I have all that stuff sitting in a closet right now as i'm waiting for a friend to come and check em all out to see what I can do with them.



But anyways There was also a taurus pt92 that I found and am going to keep for home protection.

I've never fired a gun before or been to the range and neither has my dad.

But we got a couple friends from church (one of which is a sheriff) who own a whole plethora of guns from .22 to .375 magnums to rifles to shotguns and whatever else that are going to take me and my dad out to the desert to some spot to go shooting.

I haven't gotten a chance to ask them yet but seeing as they aren't internet suave, i wanted to ask here first.

1. 9mm Ammo for desert shooting paper targets/metal dualing trees/those skeets things that fly in the air. Just get the cheapest ammo you can find? Or is there a certain standard I shouldn't go under.

2. Home protection ammo. What is a good box of ammo that won't travel into my neighbors house if I have to shoot at someone? I think someone said hollow points since they expand or something? brands? price isn't really a factor.

3. Is there a good place online to buy ammo cheap? Any websites that you guys know for buying 9mm ammo?

4. My dad already wants a gun as well for home protection (he went shooting with them once before, i had to work). Any recommendations for a home defense pistol? 9mm? .40?


Thanks.

 

[Piggus]

Honestly a shotgun is better as a home defense weapon. Not a pistol.

They're potentially cheaper, the ammo is cheaper, pump-action shotguns SOUND intimidating, the pellets aren't going to go through to your neighbor's house, and they're much easier to hit stuff with. Pistols take a lot of practice to be accurate with so unless you have a lot of time to go out shooting, don't expect to hit what you're aiming at. Especially in a frantic or dark situation.

You can even buy or load less than lethal shells specifically for home defense.

If he doesn't do a ton of shooting he should just get a Mossberg 500 "Security" model and keep a few different types of shells on-hand.

 

[SUPREME1]

If you want an M4 that's not even an M4, then why don't you get Smith and Wesson's MP15-22.

Have fun with your BB gun I suppose.

Here are a few of my toys:

This is my latest build, finished it about 2 weeks ago. I can add specs if anyone would like me to.

Savage TR-22 trainer

PK 380 and lil borther P22

Artsy picture of my G19 and LCP

Daniel Defense M4XV

SW 642, NO lock

Long range M4 that I built up about a year ago

AK47 Mini Draco

Paratrooper M1 Carbine from WWII

Rem 870 Express Tactical

My two M44 from WWII

My two babies

Squirrel Slayer Marlin 60

Bud helping set up my new gun safe

Expect me come zombie apocolypse time.

 

[zbroome]

so my uncle died a month ago and while cleaning out his rooms (he stayed and took care of his bedridden mom) we found a whole bunch of guns. Rifles, an old WWII rifle from his dad, ak47, ar15 and just a bunch of hunting rifles.

I have all that stuff sitting in a closet right now as i'm waiting for a friend to come and check em all out to see what I can do with them.



But anyways There was also a taurus pt92 that I found and am going to keep for home protection.

I've never fired a gun before or been to the range and neither has my dad.

But we got a couple friends from church (one of which is a sheriff) who own a whole plethora of guns from .22 to .375 magnums to rifles to shotguns and whatever else that are going to take me and my dad out to the desert to some spot to go shooting.

I haven't gotten a chance to ask them yet but seeing as they aren't internet suave, i wanted to ask here first.

1. 9mm Ammo for desert shooting paper targets/metal dualing trees/those skeets things that fly in the air. Just get the cheapest ammo you can find? Or is there a certain standard I shouldn't go under.
just buy some full metal jacket, it's the cheapest. The box will say 9mm FMJ

2. Home protection ammo. What is a good box of ammo that won't travel into my neighbors house if I have to shoot at someone? I think someone said hollow points since they expand or something? brands? price isn't really a factor.
get a good hollow point, i highly recommend hornady critical defense
3. Is there a good place online to buy ammo cheap? Any websites that you guys know for buying 9mm ammo?
ammoman.com
ammuntitiontogo.com

4. My dad already wants a gun as well for home protection (he went shooting with them once before, i had to work). Any recommendations for a home defense pistol? 9mm? .40?
for home defense, i'd go with a glock 17. it is 9mm, has a high capacity, has a rail for adding a flashlight
Thanks.

.

 

[zbroome]

Honestly a shotgun is better as a home defense weapon. Not a pistol.

They're potentially cheaper, the ammo is cheaper, pump-action shotguns SOUND intimidating, the pellets aren't going to go through to your neighbor's house, and they're much easier to hit stuff with. Pistols take a lot of practice to be accurate with so unless you have a lot of time to go out shooting, don't expect to hit what you're aiming at. Especially in a frantic or dark situation.

You can even buy or load less than lethal shells specifically for home defense.

If he doesn't do a ton of shooting he should just get a Mossberg 500 "Security" model and keep a few different types of shells on-hand.

This is not true. Unless you train with the shotgun extensively than it just is not true.

Shotguns are heavy, cumbersome, hard to clear a room with that much length, an intruder could grab the gun by the barrel when you come around a corner.

No one gives a rats ass about them "sounding" intimidating. To some criminals that could just make them try to kill you faster, since they now know you are armed. Please don't believe the wild west movies that one shot covers a whole room, the typical spread for 00buckshot is about 1 inch per ten feet. Pistols do take practice to be accurate, however, most shots in your house will be at less than 10-12 feet. You could hit something very easily at that range. A flashlight on the rail can cure the dark situation.

Please for the love of God, don't buy shells that are underpowered. We have the castle doctrine for a reason, if someone intrudes into your household then kill him. Plain and simple. Don't wound him or try to shoot him in the leg, he'll kill you pal. I bet he won't try to wound you.

I would go with a Glock 19 for home defense.

Also, I teach Concealed Carry classes, was in the military, teach tactical classes to private security firms, and shoot roughly 3-5k rounds a week. Just trying to let you know you can trust me and these opinions. Happy shooting, man.

 

[Dead Man]

This is not true. Unless you train with the shotgun extensively than it just is not true.

Shotguns are heavy, cumbersome, hard to clear a room with that much length, an intruder could grab the gun by the barrel when you come around a corner.

No one gives a rats ass about them "sounding" intimidating. To some criminals that could just make them try to kill you faster, since they now know you are armed. Please don't believe the wild west movies that one shot covers a whole room, the typical spread for 00buckshot is about 1 inch per ten feet. Pistols do take practice to be accurate, however, most shots in your house will be at less than 10-12 feet. You could hit something very easily at that range. A flashlight on the rail can cure the dark situation.

Please for the love of God, don't buy shells that are underpowered. We have the castle doctrine for a reason, if someone intrudes into your household then kill him. Plain and simple. Don't wound him or try to shoot him in the leg, he'll kill you pal. I bet he won't try to wound you.

I would go with a Glock 19 for home defense.

Also, I teach Concealed Carry classes, was in the military, teach tactical classes to private security firms, and shoot roughly 3-5k rounds a week. Just trying to let you know you can trust me and these opinions. Happy shooting, man.

You have forgotten my biggest objection to using pump guns for self defence. Unless people practise with them they re easy to misuse by short stroking or just forgetting under stress. If you practise, fine, but so many people don't. A double barrel shotgun is better than a pump for people that won't be practising.

 

[BattleMonkey]

You have forgotten my biggest objection to using pump guns for self defence. Unless people practise with them they re easy to misuse by short stroking or just forgetting under stress. If you practise, fine, but so many people don't. A double barrel shotgun is better than a pump for people that won't be practising.

Any gun is useless for self defense if a person does not practice with it. There really is no good gun for a person to defend themselves with if they have not trained with it and know how to properly use it. They are just going to get themselves or someone else hurt.

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

so my uncle died a month ago and while cleaning out his rooms (he stayed and took care of his bedridden mom) we found a whole bunch of guns. Rifles, an old WWII rifle from his dad, ak47, ar15 and just a bunch of hunting rifles.

I have all that stuff sitting in a closet right now as i'm waiting for a friend to come and check em all out to see what I can do with them.



But anyways There was also a taurus pt92 that I found and am going to keep for home protection.

I've never fired a gun before or been to the range and neither has my dad.

But we got a couple friends from church (one of which is a sheriff) who own a whole plethora of guns from .22 to .375 magnums to rifles to shotguns and whatever else that are going to take me and my dad out to the desert to some spot to go shooting.

I haven't gotten a chance to ask them yet but seeing as they aren't internet suave, i wanted to ask here first.

1. 9mm Ammo for desert shooting paper targets/metal dualing trees/those skeets things that fly in the air. Just get the cheapest ammo you can find? Or is there a certain standard I shouldn't go under.

2. Home protection ammo. What is a good box of ammo that won't travel into my neighbors house if I have to shoot at someone? I think someone said hollow points since they expand or something? brands? price isn't really a factor.

3. Is there a good place online to buy ammo cheap? Any websites that you guys know for buying 9mm ammo?

4. My dad already wants a gun as well for home protection (he went shooting with them once before, i had to work). Any recommendations for a home defense pistol? 9mm? .40?


Thanks.

For 9mm sd rounds I always used Federal HST rounds. They are, by company policy, le/military restricted, but a lot of gun stores can get them. Check gun-deals.com and their excellent ammo page and daily new item page.

 

[ChiTownBuffalo]

For 9mm sd rounds I always used Federal HST rounds. They are, by company policy, le/military restricted, but a lot of gun stores can get them. Check gun-deals.com and their excellent ammo page and daily new item page.

I like Hydra-Shok for handguns. Shallower penetration but wide damage.

Girth, not length.

 

[Dead Man]

Any gun is useless for self defense if a person does not practice with it. There really is no good gun for a person to defend themselves with if they have not trained with it and know how to properly use it. They are just going to get themselves or someone else hurt.

Well yes, of course. I just see pump action shotguns promoted as a panacea for home defence so often and it seems people don't really think about it before hand. Same way a Glock or DA revolver is going to be better for someone who will not be investing massive time than a 1911 or other SA gun with a safety.

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

I like Hydra-Shok for handguns. Shallower penetration but wide damage.

Girth, not length.

Yeah, the expansion and resulting mushroom is pretty devastating. They also seem to suffer from less failures to expand as other bullets. Its crazy that people can't own HP in NJ. Though they can use Hornaday Critical defense. Someone actually got an official state from the NJ State Troopers (not just a trooper, but policy level) it's posted on The High Road message board. I'll post it when I dig it up. Its interesting reading.

 

[mbmonk]

I vaguely remember hearing that the gas powered shotty's are better for home defense than the pump explicitly because of the short stroking issue.

I chose a pump because I don't trust myself to clean the gas powered shotty annually. I tend to forget I even have a gun except maybe 2 times a year. I went with the pump mainly for that reason, and it was tough to find a 20 gauge* gas powered shotty.

I do plan to get a revolver soon for all the reasons pointed out here. You really lose mobility w/ a shotty. If you need to move around the house the pistol is going to be much better for that.

* = supposedly a 20 gauge has less recoil than a 12 gauge ( thus easier for adolescent to shoot accurately ) but could still deal a killing blow with 00buck.

 

[hwalker84]

I'm in the market for my first weapon.

I'm not looking for something to carry just go to the range with (At this moment).

I love the FN Herstel Five-Seven my dad has but i'm looking to see what some other people's suggestions are.

 

[zbroome]

I'm in the market for my first weapon.

I'm not looking for something to carry just go to the range with (At this moment).

I love the FN Herstel Five-Seven my dad has but i'm looking to see what some other people's suggestions are.

Just go to a range where you can rent some handguns, or ask your friends to take you. You need to know what feels comfortable and natural to you before you even think about buying anything. Are you looking at revolvers or semi autos? Smaller caliber or a bigger caliber? Strictly range use? Budget? Favorite manufacturers?

 

[hwalker84]

Just go to a range where you can rent some handguns, or ask your friends to take you. You need to know what feels comfortable and natural to you before you even think about buying anything. Are you looking at revolvers or semi autos? Smaller caliber or a bigger caliber? Strictly range use? Budget? Favorite manufacturers?

Everything I've shot comes from my father (he's ex military). As I said that FN Herstal five-seven he has is ridiculous.

Budget is no more than $1000.

Semi Auto's I've never been a fan of revolvers.

Range use for my first weapon.

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

Source for Federal HST and Winchester Ranger-T products (the successors to the Black Talon).
http://www.sgammo.com/
http://www.sgammo.com/product/federal/50rd-9mm-federal-hydra-shok-124-gr-hollow-point-p9hs1g1

New Jersey Goofy laws
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=628312

So much has been said (and assumed) on this board and others that I felt compelled to register for a membership and post about hollow point/dum dum restrictions in NJ. Hopefully this will answer questions you may have. The source is New Jersey State Police Ballistics Unit, any questions, give a call:
(609) 584-5051 ext 5815

-It is legal to own and store hollow point ammunition in your home
-It is legal to purchase hollow point ammunition in a store
-It is legal to transport hollow point ammunition to range for sporting use (and for that matter in most hunting situations)
-It is legal to purchase, own and use Corbon Powerball, Hornady Critical Defense and Federal EFMJ (including Federal LE EFMJ +P loads) at range and in personal defense situations in home pursuant to NJ state law on use of force in home defense situation
-NJSP ballistics unit does not consider the rounds mentioned above as hollow point or dum dum bullets and will testify as such if required

-It *may* be illegal to *use* hollow point bullets in a home defense situation, however, this is a gray area. NJSP will not make an arrest higher than 4th degree in this circumstance and if not associated with another unlawlful act will likely not make an arrest at all. However, should criminal or civil charges be pursued by gunshot victim at later date, you may be liable and charged with use.

Recommendation for home defense rounds are the 3 bullets aforementioned. Furthermore, for what it is worth, ballistics expansion tests (for size and consistency each time), penetration results (to FBI guidelines at least 12") and feed reliability suggest the Federal EFMJ 124 +P (for 9mm) be the round of choice. The Corbon Powerball often is seen breaking up and separating and the Critical Defense round is simply too light (along with Federal EFMJ 105-115gr)

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

So anyone have experience with a level action rifle?

I need a single shot hunting weapon and I had a chance to fire a lever action...and damned if it wasn't a ton of fun. Marlin 336's seem to be really cheap, even with a basic scope on it.

 

[SleazyC]

GAF I need some help! I'm going to range for the first time today with some coworkers and can rent a decent swath of pistols and need some suggestions on what to try. Guns available to me can be found here:

http://ontarget.biz/rentals.html

I've never been shooting before so this is my first time and my coworker is bringing his Glock 17 and a .22 Walther. I plan to try both of those out and wanted to also try another 9mm and a .45 out. I had been eyeing a Beretta 92FS for purchase and am kinda disappointed they don't do rentals of it but am open to trying anything that is easy and fun to use for a first timer. Thanks in advance!

 

[Pristine_Condition]

GAF I need some help! I'm going to range for the first time today with some coworkers and can rent a decent swath of pistols and need some suggestions on what to try. Guns available to me can be found here:

http://ontarget.biz/rentals.html

I've never been shooting before so this is my first time and my coworker is bringing his Glock 17 and a .22 Walther. I plan to try both of those out and wanted to also try another 9mm and a .45 out. I had been eyeing a Beretta 92FS for purchase and am kinda disappointed they don't do rentals of it but am open to trying anything that is easy and fun to use for a first timer. Thanks in advance!

Out of those guns, I'd rent:

-the H&K USP for the other 9mm. One of the finest handguns ever made by man.

-either the Sig GSR 1911 or the Smith & Wesson 1911 for the .45. You need to fire a 1911. Personally, I'd go full-size.



I hate the Beretta 92, so I wouldn't be too broken up about it not being available, but that's me.



Other guns I would want to shoot just for fun if it were my first time:

-The S&W 686 in .357 magnum. Because you need to shoot a big fucking gun. And a revolver. And this is both. This will be the highlight of your day, so save it for last. The range guy will probably wanna help you save money so he'll ask you if you want to shoot the much cheaper .38 Special rounds. You don't. Buy one box of .357 magnum. It will go "BOOM!" in your hand and you will smile.

-I'd want to shoot a .40, because it's the perfect step up from 9mm, but not as much as the .45. I'd do this just as an educational exercise if you are seriously trying to figure out what you may want to buy in the future. Unfortunately, they don't have much interesting stuff in that round at your range that's different enough from what you've got in the weapons I've mentioned above plus your friend's Glock. I wish they had the Glock 22C, so you could see what a difference a compensator makes (especially if your range allows double-taps or rapid fire) and if you don't mind a little fire in your sight picture, but all they have is the non-compensated model, which is pretty much the same shooting experience as your friend's 9mm Glock with a bit more punch. So you might be good to go with just those options.

...

Have fun. Follow the range master's rules, and be safe.

Remember, finger on the OUTSIDE of the trigger guard...no finger on the trigger until you are ready to pull it. No pointing at anything you don't want destroyed. On the autos, be sure and keep your thumbs out of the way of the slide where it slides back, or it'll bite ya. And the best safety is the one between your ears.

I love those ranges that have one fee for rental and you can shoot as many as you want as long as you are buying ammo. Sounds like you found a good spot for your first go.

 

[Pristine_Condition]

Everything I've shot comes from my father (he's ex military). As I said that FN Herstal five-seven he has is ridiculous.

Budget is no more than $1000.

Semi Auto's I've never been a fan of revolvers.

Range use for my first weapon.

If I had $1000 to spend, there's only one gun I would want to buy:

Smith and Wesson 1911 100th Anniversary Special Edition

-It's a 1911.

-It's instantly collectable. Only 500 made. But you can still find them if you look.

-As long as you don't have some crazy tax thing going on in your state, you should be able to talk your dealer into giving it to you for exactly $1000 out the door. (I think the MSRP is $1200-ish)

-It has all the bells and whistles of a good 1911.

-Look at it. It's freaking GORGEOUS.


...


Otherwise, I'd probably still go with a S&W 1911, only the brand-new edition...the E-Series. They are the new hotness. Actually kinda hard to get right now. They start @ around $800 retail, IIRC. I'd want the tactical rail version though, which might push the ceiling of your budget.

Smith and Wesson 1911 E-Series w/ Tactical Rail (Also Available in Stainless-Not Shown)

 

[zbroome]

If you do get a 1911, please do it right and buy a Colt.

 

[Godslay]

If you do get a 1911, please do it right and buy a Colt.

Springfield is also a good brand. Colt isn't the end all be all of 1911s.

 

[zbroome]

Springfield is also a good brand. Colt isn't the end all be all of 1911s.

No its not, just saying. For your first and only gun you should treat yourself.

I have a Springfield Loaded SS, and I love it.

 

[Kingpen]

Just bought my first gun.

S&W Governor. It is a six shot revolver that shots .410 .45L and .45 acp.

I was looking at a taurus judge, but the fit and finish was just much better on the governator

 

[Pristine_Condition]

If you do get a 1911, please do it right and buy a Colt.

Meh. He said he wanted to spend $1000. Not $1600-2000. Cheap Colts aren't worth it, IMO. You'll eventually pay $1600-2000. Either off the shelf, or at the smiths...you choose.

He has a set budget. You might as well have said "If you do get a 1911, get a Wilson Combat Tactical Supergrade or a Les Baer Custom 25th Anniversary," for all the good you did him.

I think S&W 1911s are a bargain. I've owned quite a number of 1911's, including a Wilson, and it's not like I still can't go right back to my totally accurate, totally reliable, S&W that "feels good man" right out of the box it came in and had never spent a day in a gunsmiths until the day I got new grips done for it. Because I can. I've had three different Colts too. None felt as good out of the box like as this S&W I have, and had to be re-gripped immediately. They were all great guns though, and I do love me an internal extractor with a 1911, so that's a definite plus in the Colt column, though I'm not as anti-external extractor as most Colt owners.

"Just don't buy a Kimber" is much better 1911 buying advice to me.

 

[mercenar1e]

I have noticed a lot of the posters in this thread are banned? lol what happened to them.. great guns btw

 

[SleazyC]

Thanks for the recommendations Pristine_Condition. Had a blast at the range and got to fire about six different guns. Will definitely go again and am going to ramp up my search for my own handgun.

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

Just bought my first gun.

S&W Governor. It is a six shot revolver that shots .410 .45L and .45 acp.

I was looking at a taurus judge, but the fit and finish was just much better on the governator

Sweet! How much did it wind up costing you?

I have noticed a lot of the posters in this thread are banned? lol what happened to them.. great guns btw

Funny I didn't notice any recents besides AlphaNoid.

 

[Dead Man]

Thanks for the recommendations Pristine_Condition. Had a blast at the range and got to fire about six different guns. Will definitely go again and am going to ramp up my search for my own handgun.

If you haven't had a chance to try out the Beretta 92F you mentioned, that website shows a Taurus 92 which is almost identical with a Berretta 92F except the safety is moved to the frame.

 

[Pristine_Condition]

Thanks for the recommendations Pristine_Condition. Had a blast at the range and got to fire about six different guns. Will definitely go again and am going to ramp up my search for my own handgun.

Well, you gotta tell us more than that. What did you end up shooting, and what were your impressions? You can be a first-timer and still have valid opinions.

 

[SleazyC]

Well, you gotta tell us more than that. What did you end up shooting, and what were your impressions? You can be a first-timer and still have valid opinions.

Sure thing, here are what I ended up shooting:

Walther .22
This was the first gun I ended up firing as I wanted to ease my way into it. Was a good call because the thing had little kick and was easy enough to fire. Was a pretty small and lightweight gun and the sights were set damn near perfect on it as it shot where I was aiming +/- some shakiness from my hand. Really fun and enjoyable gun to shoot. Don't know the model number on this one but will ask my coworker sometime on Tuesday. Perfect gun for a beginner like myself.

Glock 19
The next gun I moved up too. Having no switch safety was a little weird to me, but apparently its not uncommon since one or two of the other guns I fired also didn't have switch safeties. This gun had more kick than the .22 but was still ok. The double-action trigger (think this is what its called? Someone can correct me here) was a bit weird to understand at first but it didn't complicate anything. The gun is not pretty to look at but it very smooth and easy to shoot. I think this actually turned up being the gun that was the most fun to shoot out of all the ones I tried.

Springfield XDP9
Very pretty gun. Unfortunately the sights were terrible or something else was wrong with this gun as the three of us fired it and it seemed to shoot about a foot up of whatever we were aiming at. This gun was also pretty heavy. Was excited about trying this one as I heard good things about it but I think the re-occuring theme here was that this place didn't take too good care of their rentals. I hope to try firing one of these again later hopefully in better condition

Smith and Weston M&P Super Compact
This gun oddly felt like it had the most kick of any of the 9mm's I fired. Other than that it felt fine and I think of all the 9mm's I rented out it was one of my favorites. Wish I had a chance to fire the full sized version but it was checked out our whole time at the range

Sig P226
Out of all the rentals I tried this was the best. It had a bit of an issue jamming on me randomly but it had a nice weight and not too much kick and was spot on where-ever I was aiming at. My coworker told me he did not like Sig's at all but my impression from firing them at the range was the exact opposite.

Sig GSR1911
Monster kick. I was super nervous when I had this gun in my hands ready to take the first shot but pulling the trigger was very funny. Big boom with a major kick compared to everything else I fired. I went through about 40 rounds with this one and it was a complete joy. Was heavy but felt like a good weight in your hands and aiming was spot on with this one as well. Definitely will be buying a 1911 in the near future.

Total for the day came out to $105 or so for the three of us. I had spent about $60 on ammo so that gives you and idea of how much the rentals really cost ($16 per 50 rounds of 9mm and $27 for 50 rounds of .45). Here is my zombie clown target after I put about 10 rounds of .45 into it:

 

[Gor@n]

What's peoples thoughts on snap caps? Wanna learn/memorise the trigger pull on my rifle without dry firing or using live rounds.