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[RustyNails]

Video here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=7v8qtZ3I5AM

"We shouldn't bomb other countries"

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

"We don't need another war"

YAY

What a bunch of utter morons

 

[Particle Physicist]

Actually one of them has squandered any real chance of changing the tax brackets while he was President and is now finally speaking out against it, while extending the $858 billion Bush tax cuts.

He was speaking out against it from the very beginning. And did you miss the whole bush tax cut battle that went on?

 

[Salvor.Hardin]

It's news because he wants to lower that even further, Obama wants to raise taxes on rich people like himself.

Um, didn't Obama just recently sign a bill in which:

the tax cut package angered liberals in the president's party due to the extension of the Bush-era tax cuts for the roughly two percent of highest-earning Americans, which comes at a cost of $120 billion over two years. They were also incensed at the level at which the estate tax was set in the measure, which exempts estates under $10 million for couples and taxes subsequent income at 35 percent.

Source

 

[RustyNails]

Fitting?

Get them swing state votes!

Are you trolling? Pretty much every big stadium that can house few tens of thousands of people is owned by a corporation. Allstate Arena, Staples center, etc.

 

[Invisible_Insane]

Then does he just lie about how much tax he's paying, because this sure doesn't sound like a counterfactual to me:

Somebody who’s making $50,000 a year as a teacher shouldn’t be paying a higher effective tax rate than somebody like myself or Jeff, who’ve been incredibly blessed.

Jeff and I are paying a lower effective tax rate than a teacher making $50,000.

Sophisticated users of the English language will note that these are not the same thing.

 

[The Librarian]

Actually one of them has squandered any real chance of changing the tax brackets while he was President and is now finally speaking out against it, while extending the $858 billion Bush tax cuts.

If the payroll tax cuts get extended through to the end of this year, then ratio of the cost of the high-income tax extension (~$125 billion) to the stimulus that comes from extending the payroll tax cut (~$400 billion) was well worth the trade off.

That's nearly a 4:1 ratio.

 

[Salvor.Hardin]

He was speaking out against it from the very beginning. And did you miss the whole bush tax cut battle that went on?

The president said the bill ultimately reflected "a good deal for the American people."

Just as Mitt's insistence on lower taxes is a rally call for conservative voters, Obama's speeches regarding the 1% is a platform for his reelection campaign.

 

[empty vessel]

Obama's election year budget going to piss off the troops?

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/204435-obama-warns-left-you-will-not-like-my-budget

OWS appeared on the scene a tad too late to preempt this, unfortunately. It was nevertheless a politically stupid move for Obama to agree to such spending cuts even in OWS's absence. That's on him, and he'll reap the repercussions.

 

[zomgbbqftw]

This may be out of nowhere, but what do people think of Hilary on the ticket as VPOTUS? I feel like Biden doesn't bring anything to the ticket this year, previously Biden brought foreign policy experience to a relatively inexperienced Senator, now post Libya, Obama has no need for Biden and he will be a net drag on the campaign. Hilary makes more sense and it gives the Dems a position for 2016 if Hilary still wants the Presidency.

So, Hilary, yay or nay?

 

[Matt]

I don't deny that he tried to get Republicans on board with HIS plan, but true post-partisanship is also adopting ideas from the other side. Shit, it would be easy if all you had to do was get people to agree to YOUR ideas. What did he say when Republicans made proposals?

Huh?

The Recovery Act was radically changed in order to incorporate Republican ideas. The ACA was modeled off a Republican plan. Financial Reform was much more conservative then any similar bills passed in American history.

 

[Matt]

This may be out of nowhere, but what do people think of Hilary on the ticket as VPOTUS? I feel like Biden doesn't bring anything to the ticket this year, previously Biden brought foreign policy experience to a relatively inexperienced Senator, now post Libya, Obama has no need for Biden and he will be a net drag on the campaign. Hilary makes more sense and it gives the Dems a position for 2016 if Hilary still wants the Presidency.

So, Hilary, yay or nay?

It's not on the table right now.

 

[Salvor.Hardin]

Sophisticated users of the English language will note that these are not the same thing.

Sophisticated users of the English language will instead note that 'shouldn't' is not subjunctive without a counterfactual clause, and the clause simply does not exist in that sentence.

"Tommy shouldn't be playing video games when he has an exam tomorrow." There is no hypothetical involved.

"Tommy shouldn't be playing video games when he has an exam on the following day."

Notice the difference? The latter sentence has a clause which provides a hypothetical context.

 

[GhaleonEB]

Hu?

The Recovery Act was radically changed in order to incorporate Republican ideas. The ACA was modeled off a Republican plan. Financial Reform was much more conservative then any similar bills passed in American history.

Yup, and it was altered dramatically as it progressed to incorporate Republican demands.

 

[Salvor.Hardin]

If the payroll tax cuts get extended through to the end of this year, then ratio of the cost of the high-income tax extension (~$125 billion) to the stimulus that comes from extending the payroll tax cut (~$400 billion) was well worth the trade off.

That's nearly a 4:1 ratio.

Are you actually equating the extension of the stimulus to the extension of high-income tax cuts? That's absurd. It was a terrible compromise, and the fact that you would justify it with this ridiculous comparison shows you don't know what you're talking about.

 

[ToxicAdam]

Are you trolling?

You should never ask this question. The answer is always yes.

Pretty much every big stadium that can house few tens of thousands of people is owned by a corporation. Allstate Arena, Staples center, etc.

These corporations don't own the building, they just buy the naming rights.

 

[The Librarian]

Are you actually equating the extension of the stimulus to the extension of high-income tax cuts? That's absurd. It was a terrible compromise, and the fact that you would justify it with this ridiculous comparison shows you don't know what you're talking about.

:lol

 

[Invisible_Insane]

Sophisticated users of the English language will instead note that 'shouldn't' is not subjunctive without a counterfactual clause, and the clause simply does not exist in that sentence.

"Tommy shouldn't be playing video games when he has an exam tomorrow." There is no hypothetical involved.

"Tommy shouldn't be playing video games when he has an exam on the following day."

Notice the difference? The latter sentence has a clause which provides a hypothetical context.

Neither of those entails that Tommy has an exam tomorrow, which is my point; similarly, Obama's statement doesn't mean he necessarily pays a higher rate than a schoolteacher, simply that if it was the case that he did, then he shouldn't.

 

[Particle Physicist]

Um, didn't Obama just recently sign a bill in which:

Source

By recently you mean over a year ago, and once again... Did you not follow what was going on at the time? Did you forget about the huge battle with the republicans and their freaken hostage tactics?

 

[Tim-E]

This may be out of nowhere, but what do people think of Hilary on the ticket as VPOTUS? I feel like Biden doesn't bring anything to the ticket this year, previously Biden brought foreign policy experience to a relatively inexperienced Senator, now post Libya, Obama has no need for Biden and he will be a net drag on the campaign. Hilary makes more sense and it gives the Dems a position for 2016 if Hilary still wants the Presidency.

So, Hilary, yay or nay?

LOL Jesus, people need to stop with this because it ISN'T happening. Hillary will be going on 70 in 2016. She's said she will not run for president again. She has said she's glad she didn't win. They are not going to start a bunch of shit by dropping Biden and bringing her on. Biden has been a good VP and doing this would be so obviously political that the Obama campaign would never hear the end of it from the media. The media would say that Obama thinks his administration is weak by changing his VP for no reason other than to help attract a few bitter democrats who will vote for him anyway.

 

[The Librarian]

Greg Sargent outlines why Mitt Romney's tax rate matters, and is news.

 

[RDreamer]

I have to wonder what Romney's tax plan would do to his effective rate of pay. Would his elimination of capital gains tax on those earning $200,000 or less affect him or not? If I understand correctly he likely isn't making any traditional earnings, so he would be under that $200,000. Could he really be campaigning on basically eliminating his tax burden to almost nothing?

Seriously, correct me if I'm wrong. I hope I'm wrong.

 

[PhoenixDark]

Report: Dems To Announce That Obama Will Deliver Acceptance Speech In BofA Stadium

Democratic convention officials will announce today that President Obama will deliver his acceptance speech at the outdoor Bank of America stadium in Charlotte, CBS News' Norah O'Donnell reports.

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/updates/4151

How fitting

 

[The Librarian]

There was someone in PoliGAF, who when he read that Huntsman had dropped out, predicted that Colbert would take the credit.

Well...gues what?

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/updates/4151

How politically stupid

Fixed

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

Mitt Romney hasn’t yet released his tax returns, but on Tuesday he confirmed the biggest nugget that Democrats have been salivating over: he pays an effective tax rate of just 15%.

“It’s probably closer to the 15 percent rate than anything,” Romney told reporters, noting that his income “comes overwhelmingly from some investments made in the past, rather than ordinary income or earned annual income.”

“The Romney Rule is going to be a major issue if Romney is the GOP nominee,” he said. “Republicans win the tax debate when the middle class feels they’re paying too much. But Democrats win it when the middle class believes the wealthy are paying too little. It’s bad enough than Mitt made millions by laying off middle class workers. Now he’s making middle class workers shoulder his share of the tax burden.”

Obama campaign spokesman Ben LaBolt also name-checked the Buffett Rule on Twitter Tuesday, noting that President Obama “has called for the loophole that allows the wealthiest to pay lower income taxes than [the middle class] to be closed. Romney opposes.”

So how does Romney’s rate compare to the average American? The recent recession means that the average American’s effective tax rate has been lowered, mostly because the government has instituted a series of temporary tax cuts to help stimulate the economy. In 2010, American households in the middle fifth of the income spectrum, paid an effective tax rate of 14.3%, according to the Center for Budget And Policy and Priorities. So Romney seems to be at about the same spot even though he makes vastly more money.

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[GhaleonEB]

Unfortunate naming, but they were probably much more focused on logistics than the name of the place. Probably apt, though.

I really hate how so many places sold their names off like that. Some of the venues I grew up around are now named after major corporations. Fitting, I suppose. :\

 

[Cyan]

If nothing else, I am so glad you will think of Michelle Obama and me every time you see Lysol wipes in the store, LOL

Congrats on being annoying enough to be memorable?

I think he pretty much blew that chance out of the water when he started his Presidency by saying "I won. I don't have to take your ideas" and similar rhetoric.

Nah, you're thinking of Dubya.

 

[Plinko]

Kind of OT, but this Bill O'Reilly clip from last night is classic:

http://www.buzzfeed.com/jpmoore/bill-oreilly-explains-the-difference-between-ice

 

[Particle Physicist]

I have to wonder what Romney's tax plan would do to his effective rate of pay. Would his elimination of capital gains tax on those earning $200,000 or less affect him or not? If I understand correctly he likely isn't making any traditional earnings, so he would be under that $200,000. Could he really be campaigning on basically eliminating his tax burden to almost nothing?

Seriously, correct me if I'm wrong. I hope I'm wrong.

Yup, another reason why this matters.

 

[joedan]

Kind of OT, but this Bill O'Reilly clip from last night is classic:

http://www.buzzfeed.com/jpmoore/bill-oreilly-explains-the-difference-between-ice

Hilarious.

 

[joedan]

My favorite part of the debate (paraphrased):

Newt: Mitt, you have no control of your super PAC! What terrible leadership skills for a possible president, am I right? * crowd goes nuts *

Mitt: You do realize that contacting/interacting with/leading a super PAC is against federal law, right?

Newt: *sheepishly* Yes.

* tepid applause *

Any clips of this?

 

[Plinko]

With each passing debate I get more and more disgusted with the GOP mindset.

It seems that every policy they have is directed solely at expanding wealth for the top elites in the country at the expense of the "peasant class" underneath.

As a Christian, last night's debate was even more infuriating. Paul made a really good point about the "Golden Rule" and it just seemed like the ravenous crowd wanted to destroy him at that point. That's not "Christian" in any sense of the word. Also, booing Mexico? Booing a simple question from Juan Williams? It's disgusting.

 

[Plinko]

Any clips of this?

I'm trying to find one but I can't yet--when I do I'll post it.

 

[JCreasy]

I said WOW

What’s more, while Romney’s candor was a change of pace this morning, as Paul Krugman and Jamison Foser explained earlier, we still need to see those tax returns.

But Romney said something else at the same event that’s worth remembering.

Mr. Romney added: “And then I get speaker’s fees from time to time, but not very much.”

In fact, in the most recent year, Mr. Romney made $374,327.62 in speaker’s fees, at an average of $41,592 per speech, according to his public financial disclosure reports.

There’s some dispute about the precise figure from Romney’s disclosure forms, but at a minimum, he earned $362,000 in speaking fees last year.

In Romney’s mind, that’s “not very much” money.

For a candidate already accused of being an out-of-touch elitist, unaware and unconcerned about the struggles of working families, this is clearly another “uh oh” moment.

As American Bridge joked, for most of us, “not very much” refers to money “found in the couch.” For Romney it means over $360,000.

This is the same guy who recently suggested elected office is only for the rich, thought nothing of dropping $10,000 on a bet during a debate, and considered a $1,500-a-year tax cut for the typical middle-class family to be a meaningless “band aid.”

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2012_01/quote_of_the_day_30034807.php

 

[RustyNails]

With each passing debate I get more and more disgusted with the GOP mindset.

It seems that every policy they have is directed solely at expanding wealth for the top elites in the country at the expense of the "peasant class" underneath.

As a Christian, last night's debate was even more infuriating. Paul made a really good point about the "Golden Rule" and it just seemed like the ravenous crowd wanted to destroy him at that point. That's not "Christian" in any sense of the word. Also, booing Mexico? Booing a simple question from Juan Williams? It's disgusting.

I'm pretty sure A27_starwolf has a perfectly valid explanation for that. And also including people cheering executions and cheering an uninsured man die on the streets.

 

[Plinko]

Here's the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y66pS8gLdfg

This is the whole debate. Fast forward to 1:33:00.

I want everyone to watch this and then watch Gingrich's facial expression when Romney says, "Now, I can't call these people and direct them to do that." Gingrich looks surprised, like he didn't know that.

Then, listen/watch his response when Romney calls him out on how that would violate federal law. He stammers for a second, and then says, "...that's correct."

I don't think Gingrich knew.

 

[Salvor.Hardin]

I said WOW



http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2012_01/quote_of_the_day_30034807.php

There are a lot of things to criticize Mitt about, but the fact that he's being vilified for being rich is idiotic. Republicans are usually high on slander, but the Democrats sure are catching up.

 

[ToxicAdam]

I'm pretty sure A27_starwolf has a perfectly valid explanation for that. And also including people cheering executions and cheering an uninsured man die on the streets.

Look who's trolling now.

 

[RustyNails]

Look who's trolling now.

It aint trolling if you can prove it

 

[RoninChaos]

The more gridlock, the better, IMO. The less Congress does, the better off we are.

So you don't think things should be done to actually help the country?

Now you just have to be trolling. Gridlock creates NUMEROUS problems for the way our ENTIRE system works.

C'mon, son.

 

[JCreasy]

There are a lot of things to criticize Mitt about, but the fact that he's being vilified for being rich is idiotic. Republicans are usually high on slander, but the Democrats sure are catching up.

Nope.

He's being criticized for being out of touch, and his tax plan reflects that all by itself.

I mean, if you're going to ask the middle class to pay more in taxes and the wealthy to pay less, and then turn around and say $300K isn't that much money . . . I mean, really?

He's clearly out of touch. That's all.

Warren Buffet is constantly sited as a surrogate for progressive economic values and will continue to be all through the election. Democrats have no problem with him being rich.

 

[Joel Was Right]

Video of Fox News reaction to Paul's twitter success last night

Look at what the woman says and the response

http://youtu.be/KfDJfvYH6CY

 

[Dan]

Here's the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y66pS8gLdfg

This is the whole debate. Fast forward to 1:33:00.

I want everyone to watch this and then watch Gingrich's facial expression when Romney says, "Now, I can't call these people and direct them to do that." Gingrich looks surprised, like he didn't know that.

Then, listen/watch his response when Romney calls him out on how that would violate federal law. He stammers for a second, and then says, "...that's correct."

I don't think Gingrich knew.

Nah, he knows, he's just trying to make the dumb audience believe that Romney has control over those ads. And it seemingly worked.

 

[state-of-the-art]

I'm pretty sure A27_starwolf has a perfectly valid explanation for that. And also including people cheering executions and cheering an uninsured man die on the streets.

Anyone who attempts to rationalize those things has no credibility and deserves any derision that comes their way.

 

[RDreamer]

There are a lot of things to criticize Mitt about, but the fact that he's being vilified for being rich is idiotic. Republicans are usually high on slander, but the Democrats sure are catching up.

There's a difference between criticizing someone for being rich and criticizing someone who still wants to cut taxes for the rich while at the same time is so absolutely filthy rich that he's completely out of touch with the people he's supposed to represent and possibly out of touch with the ramifications of what his tampering with the tax code in that way may actually do. I cannot get behind vilifying someone merely for being rich, but there is a question in America about how much those who are blessed with more than any of us could possibly imagine should have to pay back to the country that helped them get that way in taxes. With that question looming overhead, I think it's perfectly valid to question whether a man who effectively pays 15%, less than a great many Americans, should be put into office and into a position where he wants to lower that even further. And along those same lines it's also right to question the words he uses to describe what would be a great deal of money to millions and millions when he is supposed to be called on to represent those very people.

So, vilifying riches isn't right, but we absolutely do have a right to look at why someone is rich, how they got that way, what they pay back in taxes, and question whether that's really the way we want things to be for our society, and whether that's a man we want in office.

 

[Plinko]

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie...ME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-01-17-12-21-28

ANKARA, Turkey (AP) -- U.S. Republican presidential candidate Rick Perry drew Turkey's ire on Tuesday after suggesting the country is ruled by Islamic terrorists and questioning its NATO membership.

Turkey's Foreign Ministry released a scathing statement saying Perry's comments were "baseless and inappropriate" and that the U.S. has no time to waste with candidates "who do not even know their allies."

More at the link.

Perry is such an idiot.

 

[ToxicAdam]

I saw a recent poll (PPP) that Perry is running third in Texas right now. lol

He's performed so poorly on the national stage, you wonder if this won't have a negative effect on him keeping his job in Texas next election.

 

[RustyNails]

Mustafa kemal ataturk am rolling in his grave

 

[Jason's Ultimatum]

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie...ME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-01-17-12-21-28



More at the link.

Perry is such an idiot.

Disgusting, vile, human trash.

 

[maximum360]

And especially black people with Mexican names.

Spanish speaking black people or Mexican "darkies"...

Being from the Caribbean, I'm part black, part jew, etc., thus almost putting all the things they hate into one convenient package.