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[Snaku]

WH likely to announce opposition to the keystone pipeline, TODAY

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Why? Obama will capitulate eventually.

 

[popeutlal]

http://thinkprogress.org/romm/2012/...canada-reapply-with-alternate-pipeline-route/

WH is asking for an alternate route for the pipeline.

 

[gcubed]

http://thinkprogress.org/romm/2012/...canada-reapply-with-alternate-pipeline-route/

WH is asking for an alternate route for the pipeline.

didn't they already get the alternate route? or an alternate to the alternate?

 

[Rocket Scientist]

I'll be tragically amused if it turns out you haven't contacted your representative/senators.

Unfortunately the Netherlands have no representative in the United States Congress or House. As for it being meaningless, I've heard that one many times before. Unfortunate that you guys feel that way.

 

[airmangataosenai]

Yep.

I'll be tragically amused if it turns out you haven't contacted your representative/senators.

I almost forgot to do this, thanks for reminding me.

 

[PhoenixDark]

Just came here to post this.

It's really silly when you think about it. This oil is still going to get used in America, it's just going to cost more to ship it here.

Just another example of politicians failing to seize on these opportunities and create new revenue streams and instead trying to impede the inevitable (like on-line gambling).

It hasn't been rejected - all the WH has done is reject the GOP's time table. This just goes in the administration's pocket as a bargaining chip for later this year.

Personally I agree with you and see few reasons not to ok this. It will create jobs

 

[The Librarian]

Obama seems to taking advantage of the Internet blackout to make notice of his opposition as well.
https://my.barackobama.com/page/s/free-and-open-internet?source=20120117LHP

 

[Particle Physicist]

Probably was posted already but I just saw it today. What do people think about this and how do you justify voting Obama (or voting at all since republicans are even worse) with this kind of baggage?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adbU...xt=C373d161UDOEgsToPDskIbAM6Kn-hAB6fJ9DyQ9uaW

Mind posting a non-young turks link? I can't stand that guy.

 

[Bulbo Urethral Baggins]

It hasn't been rejected - all the WH has done is reject the GOP's time table. This just goes in the administration's pocket as a bargaining chip for later this year.

Personally I agree with you and see few reasons not to ok this. It will create jobs

If that's the case, then it's unethical to say the least. Why hold up thousands of jobs to use as a bargaining chip?

 

[speculawyer]

If that's the case, then it's unethical to say the least. Why hold up thousands of jobs to use as a bargaining chip?

Go ask the GOP Congress, they do it all the time.

 

[popeutlal]

How many jobs will the pipeline create?

A recent State Department study said the construction workforce would be 5,000 to 6,000 workers. And once the construction phase ends, almost all of these jobs, however many are created, would go away.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpoli...-many-jobs-would-the-keystone-pipeline-create

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

Obama seems to taking advantage of the Internet blackout to make notice of his opposition as well.
https://my.barackobama.com/page/s/free-and-open-internet?source=20120117LHP

Psh, if he actually thinks I'm dumb enough to give him my address so he'll know where I live and then can come and take away my guns, he's got another thing coming to him.

 

[Bulbo Urethral Baggins]

Go ask the GOP Congress, the do it all the time.

Give me one example where the GOP has done essentially the same thing.

 

[RustyNails]

If that's the case, then it's unethical to say the least. Why hold up thousands of jobs to use as a bargaining chip?

There's also environmental consideration to be made. Also looks like President called on TransCanada's bluff that the pipeline could not be re-routed. WH and environmental groups wanted to avoid some key areas which house water resources and aquifers.

 

[speculawyer]

Give me one example where the GOP has done essentially the same thing.

Every time they threaten to shut down government.

 

[The Librarian]

Give me one example where the GOP has done essentially the same thing.

Payroll tax cut.

 

[Invisible_Insane]

Give me one example where the GOP has done essentially the same thing.

FAA funding.

Debt Ceiling.

Really, did you think we were going to have difficulty with that?

 

[Bulbo Urethral Baggins]

FAA funding.

Debt Ceiling.

Really, did you think we were going to have difficulty with that?

I thought you'd have difficulty coming up with ONE example, and I was right.

 

[PhoenixDark]

How many jobs will the pipeline create?


http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpoli...-many-jobs-would-the-keystone-pipeline-create

I guess temporary stimulus jobs are only good when Obama proposes them!

 

[Invisible_Insane]

I thought you'd have difficulty coming up with ONE example, and I was right.

Ladies and gentlemen, the definition of pedantry! #altwiki

 

[JCreasy]

In November, with administration officials exploring the advantages and disadvantages of the Keystone XL pipeline, they announced that a final decision would require more time and analysis. In particular, agencies wanted to study potential alternate routes that would steer clear of sensitive habitats and water supplies.

Not good enough, Republicans said. As part of the two-month extension of the payroll tax cut, GOP officials demanded an expedited decision on the project. “Forget the studies,” Republicans argued. “We want a decision now.”

“Fine,” the Obama administration is effectively responding today. “The answer is no.”

I’d argue that this is the outcome Republicans wanted all along. The GOP didn’t really want the pipeline; they wanted the ability to whine about the absence of the pipeline. This wasn’t, in other words, about energy production; this was about creating an issue for the 2012 campaign.

Indeed, Republicans were told this would happen. A month ago, the State Department said an arbitrary deadline, imposed by GOP lawmakers, would cut short the review process, deny officials access to relevant environmental information, and very likely leave officials “unable to make a determination to issue a permit for this project.”
. . .

By the way, we’re likely to hear from the right that this project would have created 20,000 jobs. Nonpartisan estimates suggest that figure is wildly inflated, and one independent report concluded that “the project could actually destroy more jobs than it creates.” Something to keep in mind.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2012_01/obama_admin_nixes_keystone_pip034833.php

 

[Angry Fork]

This is a collection of generalized campaign platitudes with Uygur countering with little more than "but he didn't". When a candidate says something like "there will be time to put these people to the fire" of course that's just fiery (ahem) rhetoric.

I'm not going to sit here and say Obama has not underwhelmed or come up short in any conceivable capacity, but I will say that there is a shitload of circumstance between 2007 and 2012, and I don't think a video of his broadest red meat campaign statements really says much about anything.

? He had tons of chances and can currently launch an investigation to see what bankers did wrong and he hasn't done any of that. Instead he bailed them out. How were they general statements? They specifically addressed banks and people who 'started this mess'. Everyone knows who he's talking about and he completely flip flopped to support the people who funded his campaign. (The same type of funding that he promised to 'fix' or get rid of because he claimed it was hurting politics, but instead took advantage of it worse than any president before.)

So... you advise to just not vote at all?

Well you can if you want obviously I'm just wondering what the justification is unless you think Obama isn't a flip flopper and agree with everything he does then that's different. I'm personally not going to choose the lesser of 2 evils. I don't want to contribute to someone I find to be a liar/con artist and I loved Obama in 2008. If it's between Obama vs. Romney I probably won't vote, but if I do it'll be independent or socialist party usa. Even if they're wasted votes at least they're for people I agree with and stand behind.

 

[KingK]

If that's the case, then it's unethical to say the least. Why hold up thousands of jobs to use as a bargaining chip?

Judging by your previous posts on Gaf, I'm assuming you're a solid Republican voter. With that being the case, this post literally made me laugh out loud.

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

? He had tons of chances and can currently launch an investigation to see what bankers did wrong and he hasn't done any of that. Instead he bailed them out. How were they general statements? They specifically addressed banks and people who 'started this mess'. Everyone knows who he's talking about and he completely flip flopped to support the people who funded his campaign. (The same type of funding that he promised to 'fix' or get rid of because he claimed it was hurting politics, but instead took advantage of it worse than any president before.)



Well you can if you want I'm just wondering what the justification is unless you think Obama isn't a flip flopper and agree with everything he does then that's different. I'm personally not going to choose the lesser of 2 evils. I don't want to contribute to someone I find to be a liar/con artist and I loved Obama in 2008. If it's between Obama vs. Romney I probably won't vote, but if I do it'll be independent or socialist party usa. Even if they're wasted votes at least they're for people I agree with and stand behind.

You didn't say to vote other than Dem, Republican, you said why vote at all. Also, please show me a candidate that you agree with on EVERY SINGLE ISSUE. No, forget that, show me a person in this entire world that you agree with on every single issue. I don't have to agree with a person on every single issue to offer them my vote. I will vote for the person who I agree with on the issues that are most important to me.

 

[Black Republican]

ahh back just in time for the SC primary

 

[JCreasy]

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/01/18/palin_almost_endorses_gingrich.html



Lol the reasoning is just glorious

"She said that a longer race meant more debates and more vetting of candidates, something that did not occur as it should have, in her view, with President Obama."

 

[demon]

Give me one example where the GOP has done essentially the same thing.

You're an absolute joke, really.

 

[RoninChaos]

It's times like this where I say, you know what, I should go into more detail.

I think Newt is probably the smartest man in the race currently. I think he has some great ideas on the environment as well.

So guys we watched a 1 and a half hour ethics pbs video. It was about ethics in the military, and Newt Gingrich was one of the people on the panel. I liked almost everything he said, and it made a lot of sense to me. He clicks with me, I kind of like that fire he gets some time. We haven't had one of those presidents in a while.

I thought that was going to be Obama, but then he got elected. I'm not talking about policy, he is just... idk not enthusiastic.

None of that will lead to Newt Gingrich "ripping Obama apart". If Obama debates him on the bullshit newt has said, then Newt will get exposed for the amount of bullshit he's spewing.

The basic premise that the republicans are currently debating from is pretty erroneous on all accounts. Most of the stuff that they're saying now are strictly sound bites. Sound bites that racists, evangelicals and fucking idiots will cling to, even when it's all bullshit.

Tell me what issue Gringrich would rip Obama apart on. I'm curious about this.

 

[BotoxAgent]

Newt will throw red meat at the debates and pander to what the right wants to hear, on that aspect he will entertain and rile up the base. And he do it in a more real and convincing fashion that the Mitt the phoney ever could.

 

[Ghost_Protocol]

The republican governor of Nebraska asked for an alternate route. Not the White House.

 

[Averon]

Gingrich Calls For Commission On Returning To Gold Standard

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/updates/4222

Republican presidential candidate Newt Gingrich is calling for the United States to think about returning to the gold standard.

Speaking at a foreign policy forum in South Carolina on Tuesday, Gingrich advocated a "commission on gold to look at the whole concept of how do we get back to hard money."

Gingrich, a former Speaker of the House, has spoken in favor of a "hard money" policy in the past, but these were his strongest comments to support reinstating the gold standard.

 

[AlteredBeast]

The republican governor of Nebraska asked for an alternate route. Not the White House.

He is a good governor, too, by most metrics.

The debate I have with all the proponents is about the myriad of supposed jobs this is supposed to create, but after a year or so when the pipe is in and running, how many people are really going to be permanently employed? 5 dudes on horseback to make sure no farmers run their diggers over the pipe?

 

[Atilac]

Gingrich Calls For Commission On Returning To Gold Standard

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/updates/4222

A play at Ron Paul's voters

 

[Invisible_Insane]

Gingrich Calls For Commission On Returning To Gold Standard

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/updates/4222

Is he desperately trying to take a bite out of Ron Paul's apple, or does he actually believe that? I don't know how Gingrich expects to pick up additional big money if he keeps endorsing positions that are anathema to them (bashing PE, gold-buggin').

 

[Rocket Scientist]

Is there a (aproximate) date for the first presidential debate between Obama and the Republican candidate?

 

[AlteredBeast]

Is there a (aproximate) date for the first presidential debate between Obama and the Republican candidate?

As soon as everyone else gives up. Obama vs Romney should not be fun to watch, though.

 

[Invisible_Insane]

Is there a (aproximate) date for the first presidential debate between Obama and the Republican candidate?

http://www.2012presidentialelectionnews.com/2012-debate-schedule/2012-presidential-debate-schedule/

 

[Admiral Bone to Pick]

As soon as everyone else gives up. Obama vs Romney should not be fun to watch, though.

It's one of the reasons I wanted Paul to win the nomination. Even if you don't like all of his policies, it would have made for some pretty interesting debates.

 

[Angry Fork]

You didn't say to vote other than Dem, Republican, you said why vote at all. Also, please show me a candidate that you agree with on EVERY SINGLE ISSUE. No, forget that, show me a person in this entire world that you agree with on every single issue. I don't have to agree with a person on every single issue to offer them my vote. I will vote for the person who I agree with on the issues that are most important to me.

I agree with Obama on many issues but that's based on what he's said. His actions have been the complete opposite.

Gingrich Calls For Commission On Returning To Gold Standard

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/updates/4222

People like Ron Paul because of his war/drug stance not the gold standard shit lol. If he wants to get their votes he has to do better than that.

It's one of the reasons I wanted Paul to win the nomination. Even if you don't like all of his policies, it would have made for some pretty interesting debates.

This. Romney vs. Obama is going to be boring as hell. They're the pinnacle of the '2 sides of the same coin' phrase.

 

[Byakuya769]

Judging by your previous posts on Gaf, I'm assuming you're a solid Republican voter. With that being the case, this post literally made me laugh out loud.

The solid republican voter who doesn't like when politicians treat government jobs as if they have no impact or are always wasteful*

 

[Rocket Scientist]

http://www.2012presidentialelectionnews.com/2012-debate-schedule/2012-presidential-debate-schedule/

Thanks! Heh, I will probably be in NYC around those dates and one of them is fairly close to it it seems. Shame it is probably impossible to get tickets as a foreign national. I look forward to experiencing the whole brooha from the ground however.

His actions have been the complete opposite.

This is really an extreme exaggeration and completely ignores the fact that the alternative candidate would have been exactly that. You can say that you don't want to choose between two evils, but that is incredibly short sighted. As someone said before you will never agree 100% with anyone. It's your choice to let fate decide however.

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

I agree with Obama on many issues but that's based on what he's said. His actions have been the complete opposite.

I admit that Obama hasn't stood by and fought as hard as many as his supporters would have liked him to do on numerous issues like health care, financial regulation, going after those complicit in the economic meltdown, bush/now Obama tax cut, etc., nevertheless, he has accomplished quite a bit. Much more so than McCain or Romney would have in 2008.

I am going to vote for him because I'd like to see what he can do with another four years and without having to worry about a reelection campaign.

 

[mckmas8808]

First read on manufacturing this year. Expectations was for a reading of 10.5, it came in at 13.5 (above 0 means expansion). The details are particularly encouraging:

The Empire State Manufacturing Survey indicates that manufacturing activity expanded in New York State in January. The general business conditions index climbed five points to 13.5. The new orders index rose eight points to 13.7 and the shipments index inched up to 21.7. ... Future indexes conveyed a high degree of optimism about the six-month outlook, with the future general business conditions index rising nine points to 54.9, its highest level since January 2011.

On employment:

Employment indexes were positive and higher, pointing to higher employment levels [12.1 up from 2.3] and a longer average workweek [6.6 up from -2.3]. ... On a series of supplementary survey questions, 51 percent of respondents indicated that they expect their workforces to increase over the next six to twelve months, while just 9 percent predicted declines in the total number of workers—results noticeably more positive than in the June 2011 survey.​

WTH? This manufacturing report is so good, I'd like to believe it's fake or a blip. No way this holds right?

 

[Snake]

I thought you'd have difficulty coming up with ONE example, and I was right.

You're alright, Baggins.

 

[Salvor.Hardin]

WTH? This manufacturing report is so good, I'd like to believe it's fake or a blip. No way this holds right?

Actually manufacturing is making a decent recovery. It's just that the employment figures are seeming a bit sticky in comparison when they should be seeing a similar upward trend. Still, some employment growth is better no employment growth.

 

[Rocket Scientist]

No way this holds right?

I would like to see GAF's detailed analysis like with the jobs reports. There seem to be so many factors and parameters that can literally make the whole thing negative instead of positive.

 

[Wolfgunblood Garopa]

I agree with Obama on many issues but that's based on what he's said. His actions have been the complete opposite.

Absurd.

This. Romney vs. Obama is going to be boring as hell. They're the pinnacle of the '2 sides of the same coin' phrase.

Look up the accomplishments of the 111th Congress. Right after reading each legislation enacted, ask yourself if that would have happened with a Republican in the WH.

 

[speculawyer]

Gingrich Calls For Commission On Returning To Gold Standard

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/updates/4222

Newt is a conservative memebot. He just throws shit out there that he thinks might stick. He is definitely entering fringe territory with that one though. It does look like a sad attempt to steal some Ron Paul mojo that will fail spectacularly. He done goofed with that one.

 

[Stinkles]

"She said that a longer race meant more debates and more vetting of candidates, something that did not occur as it should have, in her view, with President Obama."

The press should have a point where they are professionally allowed to ask politicicans if they think we are retarded.

"Mrs. Palin, based on what just fell out of your gaping noisehole, do you think people are just retarded?"

 

[The Librarian]

This. Romney vs. Obama is going to be boring as hell. They're the pinnacle of the '2 sides of the same coin' phrase.

lol