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The White House Statement on Keystone XL:

Statement by the President on the Keystone XL Pipeline

Earlier today, I received the Secretary of State’s recommendation on the pending application for the construction of the Keystone XL Pipeline. As the State Department made clear last month, the rushed and arbitrary deadline insisted on by Congressional Republicans prevented a full assessment of the pipeline’s impact, especially the health and safety of the American people, as well as our environment. As a result, the Secretary of State has recommended that the application be denied. And after reviewing the State Department’s report, I agree.

This announcement is not a judgment on the merits of the pipeline, but the arbitrary nature of a deadline that prevented the State Department from gathering the information necessary to approve the project and protect the American people. I’m disappointed that Republicans in Congress forced this decision, but it does not change my Administration’s commitment to American-made energy that creates jobs and reduces our dependence on oil. Under my Administration, domestic oil and natural gas production is up, while imports of foreign oil are down. In the months ahead, we will continue to look for new ways to partner with the oil and gas industry to increase our energy security –including the potential development of an oil pipeline from Cushing, Oklahoma to the Gulf of Mexico – even as we set higher efficiency standards for cars and trucks and invest in alternatives like biofuels and natural gas. And we will do so in a way that benefits American workers and businesses without risking the health and safety of the American people and the environment.

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[KingK]

Here is former Democratic Senator Chris Dodd explaining why SOPA/PIPA are just and why the actions of Wikipedia et. al are an "abuse of power."

This is your daily reminder that it isn't as simple as Republicans = bad, Democrats = good.

Of course. Democrats tend to be just as bad or worse than Republicans when it comes to censorship. It's one of the few issues that usually gets bipartisan support.

 

[mckmas8808]

well, he can attach its approval to the longer payroll tax extension. If thats how it works out it's almost as if Obama is learning.

Good GOD I would love for this to be true.

 

[GhaleonEB]

Thanks, good luck convincing DemocratorgyGAF, I mean PoliGAF

I <3 you guys.

I've been posting in PoliGAF threads for four or five years now. The people you seem to be talking about - those blindly loyal the Democratic party to the point of enthusiastically cheering on odious people like Dodd - do not exist. In fact, most of the left-leaning folks in here have a great deal of contempt for the party (hi!). Dodd in particular has been the subject of much ire over the past few years; there was much cheering in PoliGAF from pretty much everyone when he retired.

Sorry dude, but posts like that are the fastest way to get your views dismissed; you're lobbing insults at a broad swath of folks in the thread without merit. I don't think you can name one person here who will defend Chris Dodd, in general or on this in particular.

 

[reilo]

Dodd has been the shit on the bottom of the DNC's shoe for a long time now. I can't think of anyone on here that supported him in any way.

 

[JCreasy]

I've been posting in PoliGAF threads for four or five years now. The people you seem to be talking about - those blindly loyal the Democratic party to the point of enthusiastically cheering on odious people like Dodd - do not exist. In fact, most of the left-leaning folks in here have a great deal of contempt for the party (hi!). Dodd in particular has been the subject of much ire over the past few years; there was much cheering in PoliGAF from pretty much everyone when he retired.

Sorry dude, but posts like that are the fastest way to get your views dismissed; you're lobbing insults at a broad swath of folks in the thread without merit. I don't think you can name one person here who will defend Chris Dodd, in general or on this in particular.

PREACH!

Take'em to church Ghal!

 

[Averon]

Anyone who thinks there's any love lost between Dodd and PoliGAF have not been involved with PoliGAF for long. He was in the same group as Lieberman and Nelson as far as I was concerned. That is, at best he was useless and at worst he was a hindrance to progressive-leaning legislation.

 

[ToxicAdam]

So, you're proving that poligaf doesn't have a mob mentality by saying that everyone felt the same way about select politicians?

 

[thekad]

^ Yeah, I don't appreciate how the GAF hive mind has vilified Pol Pot. I personally am tired of this mob mentality.

 

[Jackson50]

So I feel like Newt Gingrich has a better chance against Obama than Mitt Romney. Maybe not by a whole lot, but Gingrich vs Obama in a debate? The man would rip him apart.

No. First, Gingrich would not fare better against Obama than Romney. He is a disgraced former Speaker who was wildly unpopular at the zenith of his power. Gingrich left a terribly bitter taste in the nation's mouth. Moreover, Newt is a madcap prone to capricious behavior. And his closet is replete with skeletons. He would be an awful general election candidate. Second, the perception of Newt as an adroit debater is based on his ability to pander to raucous partisan crowds. Absent that opportunity his performances are pedestrian. This occurred in December. And it would only be magnified in the general election when the crowd would be less receptive of his glib one-liners. Dude's a total charlatan.

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/updates/4212

holy shit

It is fairly standard behavior for conservatives to propagate the Sharia canard and portray Muslim fundamentalists as an existential threat to our Republic. But the influence of Christian fundamentalists is legitimately disconcerting. The best part of that statement? "That Yankee is hopelessly left-wing on homosexuality."

So, you're proving that poligaf doesn't have a mob mentality by saying that everyone felt the same way about select politicians?

No. He's repudiating the notion that PoliGAF would not criticize Dodd because we are Democratic drones.

 

[JCreasy]

Wow

First this: https://twitter.com/#!/2chambers/status/159778102300524544

Then, on blast: @CharlesMBlow: Poor Juan. He actually thought it was *his* house...

 

[ToxicAdam]

Pol Pot and Chris Dodd. I always knew you were a righty kad, your false equivalency skills are in-line with some of the best.

."No. He's repudiating the notion that PoliGAF would not criticize Dodd because we are Democratic drones.

You mean the same Democrat politicians that get run down at ThinkProgress? Yea, no drone mentality here.

 

[reilo]

So, you're proving that poligaf doesn't have a mob mentality by saying that everyone felt the same way about select politicians?

The accusation wasn't hivemind. The accusation was that PoliGAF unabashedly supports any democrat.

 

[Jason's Ultimatum]

Leave A27 alone! He's only 19! He dun know any better!

 

[KtSlime]

^ Yeah, I don't appreciate how the GAF hive mind has vilified Pol Pot. I personally am tired of this mob mentality.

I can't believe how we quickly dismissed the ideas of that Hitler fellow as well. PoliGaf groupthink at its finest. We should become more sympathetic to the ideas of the other sides... Lol.

 

[thekad]

Pol Pot and Chris Dodd. I always knew you were a righty kad, your false equivalency skills are in-line with some of the best.

I was going to choose Eric Cantor, but I didn't want to offend anyone.

 

[jamesinclair]

Obama vs. Romney is going to be hilarious because they are virtually identical candidates

Whoever wins. WE LOSE

Fortunately, we have a choice

If the candidates for President this year were Democrat Barack Obama, Republican Mitt Romney, and independent Stephen Colbert, who would you vote for?

Barack Obama: 41%
Mitt Romney: 38%
Stephen Colbert: 13%
Undecided: 7%

Among Republicans, 13 percent of those polled said they'd back Colbert over Romney in a general election against Obama. (Six percent of Republicans said they'd vote for Obama over Romney.) Interestingly, 15 percent of voters who identified themselves as "very conservative" said they'd vote for Colbert over Romney in a general election. Seven percent of those voters said they'd favor Obama over Romney.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/...rt-ahead-gary-johnson-national-221038346.html

 

[Suikoguy]

The White House Statement on Keystone XL:

That's a pretty sad response.

 

[The Librarian]

Here is former Democratic Senator Chris Dodd explaining why SOPA/PIPA are just and why the actions of Wikipedia et. al are an "abuse of power."

This is your daily reminder that it isn't as simple as Republicans = bad, Democrats = good.

What's your point with this comment?

 

[AlteredBeast]

Fortunately, we have a choice





http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/...rt-ahead-gary-johnson-national-221038346.html

Wow. Wtf colbert is a total liberal. It is retarded people who consider themselves very conservative were even thinking of voting for him it is obvious that many people just don't know a lot about politics or just don't care.

 

[Averon]

Wow

First this: https://twitter.com/#!/2chambers/status/159778102300524544

Then, on blast: @CharlesMBlow: Poor Juan. He actually thought it was *his* house...

What did Williams say?

 

[GhaleonEB]

So, you're proving that poligaf doesn't have a mob mentality by saying that everyone felt the same way about select politicians?

So you're saying a lack of people defending a terrible politician is a mob mentality? That's....interesting. You won't find a lot of guys saying they enjoy getting kicked in the balls, either, but it's not because they have a mob mentality. It's because most reasonable people - across the political spectrum - agree that getting kicked in the balls sucks.

The accusation wasn't hivemind. The accusation was that PoliGAF unabashedly supports any democrat.

Yup.

 

[Gr1mLock]

I've been posting in PoliGAF threads for four or five years now. The people you seem to be talking about - those blindly loyal the Democratic party to the point of enthusiastically cheering on odious people like Dodd - do not exist. In fact, most of the left-leaning folks in here have a great deal of contempt for the party (hi!). Dodd in particular has been the subject of much ire over the past few years; there was much cheering in PoliGAF from pretty much everyone when he retired.

Sorry dude, but posts like that are the fastest way to get your views dismissed; you're lobbing insults at a broad swath of folks in the thread without merit. I don't think you can name one person here who will defend Chris Dodd, in general or on this in particular.

Wait..you're not allowed to make sense when arguing with conservatives remember? All you wanna do is grow the government and install death panels into every truck, or is it home? I forget.

 

[The Librarian]

Time has a preview up of its exclusive interview with Obama.
http://swampland.time.com/2012/01/1...policy-attacks-will-wither-in-serious-debate/

 

[Joel Was Right]

Apparently Marianne Gingrich has given an interview, or has said she could give an interview, in which she claims would end her husbands political career.

Edit here it is

http://www.businessinsider.com/drud...ending-interview-with-gingrich-ex-wife-2012-1

 

[JABEE]

What did Williams say?

He questioned Gingrich on his comments about Obama as a "food stamp" President and how that would be insulting to blacks in America.

 

[Stinkles]

Apparently Marianne Gingrich has given an interview, or has said she could give an interview, in which she claims would end her husbands political career.

Wait, what? Like this interview happened, or she is suggesting it might happen?

 

[hydragonwarrior]

I've been posting in PoliGAF threads for four or five years now. The people you seem to be talking about - those blindly loyal the Democratic party to the point of enthusiastically cheering on odious people like Dodd - do not exist. In fact, most of the left-leaning folks in here have a great deal of contempt for the party (hi!). Dodd in particular has been the subject of much ire over the past few years; there was much cheering in PoliGAF from pretty much everyone when he retired.

Sorry dude, but posts like that are the fastest way to get your views dismissed; you're lobbing insults at a broad swath of folks in the thread without merit. I don't think you can name one person here who will defend Chris Dodd, in general or on this in particular.

Dismissing the Dodd discussion, you can tell that Poligaf isn't exactly balanced when it comes to political viewpoints. When I see a Republican viewpoint or opinion, it's usually from the same 4 or 5 people (Kosmo, Baggins, PD, Gaborn, Wolf). If there's more, they don't post as often.

Meanwhile a Democrat opinion is voiced more often and by more users - both frequent and infrequent.

 

[Jackson50]

Wait, what? Like this interview happened, or she is suggesting it might happen?

Oh, it happened. And ABC News is expected to air the interview this forthcoming Monday.

You mean the same Democrat politicians that get run down at ThinkProgress? Yea, no drone mentality here.

No. He rebutted the notion that PoliGAF would not criticize a Democratic politician because this is DemocratGAF.

 

[KingK]

Wow. Wtf colbert is a total liberal. It is retarded people who consider themselves very conservative were even thinking of voting for him it is obvious that many people just don't know a lot about politics or just don't care.

As I've said before, I know of at least 2 people who are very conservative, and huge fans of Colbert. One of them even bought his book and read it. Both of them are completely oblivious to his satire. They think he's serious...

 

[GhaleonEB]

Dismissing the Dodd discussion, you can tell that Poligaf isn't exactly balanced when it comes to political viewpoints. When I see a Republican viewpoint or opinion, it's usually from the same 4 or 5 people (Kosmo, Baggins, PD, Gaborn, Wolf). If there's more, they don't post as often.

Meanwhile a Democrat opinion is voiced more often and by more users - both frequent and infrequent.

I am not arguing that most of PoliGAf leans left. I think that's a pretty accurate statement. So by "dismissing the Dodd discussion", which is what I was responding to, you are arguing something I agree with.

 

[KingK]

Dismissing the Dodd discussion, you can tell that Poligaf isn't exactly balanced when it comes to political viewpoints. When I see a Republican viewpoint or opinion, it's usually from the same 4 or 5 people (Kosmo, Baggins, PD, Gaborn, Wolf). If there's more, they don't post as often.

Meanwhile a Democrat opinion is voiced more often and by more users - both frequent and infrequent.

I don't think anybody would dispute the claim that most of the PoliGAF regulars lean heavily to the left. The claim being disputed was that they are Democrat cheerleaders.

 

[KtSlime]

Dismissing the Dodd discussion, you can tell that Poligaf isn't exactly balanced when it comes to political viewpoints. When I see a Republican viewpoint or opinion, it's usually from the same 4 or 5 people (Kosmo, Baggins, PD, Gaborn, Wolf). If there's more, they don't post as often.

Meanwhile a Democrat opinion is voiced more often and by more users - both frequent and infrequent.

Why is it thought a balanced distribution of political views on a video game forum would be inherently better? Some ideas are simply superior to other ideas. The fact that PoliGaf appears to lean to the 'left' tells me that there are quite a number of individuals with these better ideas. I'm down with this.

Having a dialog is certainly important in many cases, however being balanced just to be balanced is pretty stupid.

 

[elrechazado]

Why is it thought a balanced distribution of political views on a video game forum inherently better? Some ideas are simply superior to other ideas. The fact that PoliGaf appears to lean to the 'left' tells me that there are quite a number of individuals with these better ideas. I'm down with this.

Having a dialog is certainly important in many cases, however being balanced just to be balanced is pretty stupid.

He said nothing about whether it should be, just that it is.

whoyoutalkinto.gif

 

[Stinkles]

Dismissing the Dodd discussion, you can tell that Poligaf isn't exactly balanced when it comes to political viewpoints. When I see a Republican viewpoint or opinion, it's usually from the same 4 or 5 people (Kosmo, Baggins, PD, Gaborn, Wolf). If there's more, they don't post as often.

Meanwhile a Democrat opinion is voiced more often and by more users - both frequent and infrequent.

It's demographics. Younger, college educated demographics. If we were on a Corvette forum it might tilt the other way.

 

[ToxicAdam]

So you're saying a lack of people defending a terrible politician is a mob mentality? That's....interesting. You won't find a lot of guys saying they enjoy getting kicked in the balls, either, but it's not because they have a mob mentality. It's because most reasonable people - across the political spectrum - agree that getting kicked in the balls sucks.

Oh, don't get so contentious. Just having fun. I even brought reilo and kad out of hiding. I just needed besada and scorcho to complete my Poli-gaf bingo card.


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GREAT DEPRESSION UPDATE:

Auto Plants at Capacity Buoying All Parts of U.S.

The new third shifts, adding more than 4,300 jobs in four states at GM alone, bring jobs to the economy and revenue to governments as well as demand at odd hours for everything from daycare and dentistry to financial services and food. U.S. auto plants this year may operate at about 81 percent of capacity after falling as low as 49 percent in 2009, according to estimates from IHS Automotive in Northville, Michigan

GM, Ford Motor Co. (F), Chrysler Group LLC, Nissan Motor Co. and Kia Motors Corp. (000270) have either added U.S. production beyond the traditional two shifts or announced plans to do so at 15 plants, including six in Michigan, since GM and Chrysler emerged from bankruptcy in the middle of 2009

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-...ty-buoying-all-parts-of-u-s-economy-cars.html

 

[GhaleonEB]

Oh, don't get so contentious. Just having fun.

No fun for you!

*shakes fist*

I have an instinctive rejection of labels (to the point where I used to peel the labels off the canned goods in the cupboard when I was a kid, much to my mom's chagrin), so I get snappy when hit with broadsides like that.

 

[Arde5643]

Oh, don't get so contentious. Just having fun. I even brought reilo and kad out of hiding. I just needed besada and scorcho to complete my Poli-gaf bingo card.

*clenches fist at Toxic*

Spoiler

You cool, Toxic, you cool

GREAT DEPRESSION UPDATE:

Auto Plants at Capacity Buoying All Parts of U.S.







http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-...ty-buoying-all-parts-of-u-s-economy-cars.html

Whoa, another positive sign? I'm still afraid all these positive signs are just jinxing it...

 

[Measley]

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/updates/4212

holy shit

We're witnessing the end of the modern Republican party. If they lose big in November, heads are going to be rolling.

 

[Measley]

Apparently Marianne Gingrich has given an interview, or has said she could give an interview, in which she claims would end her husbands political career.

Edit here it is

http://www.businessinsider.com/drud...ending-interview-with-gingrich-ex-wife-2012-1

Sabotage. They're taking Newt out so Santurom can properly battle Romney.

 

[Kosmo]

The White House Statement on Keystone XL:

AKA I'll blame Republicans during the election for imposing an artificial deadline on this loss of jobs.

 

[Arde5643]

AKA I'll blame Republicans during the election for imposing an artificial deadline on this loss of jobs.

Obama's playing the rope-a-dope with Republicans again...

 

[KtSlime]

He said nothing about whether it should be, just that it is.

whoyoutalkinto.gif

I've seen the topic brought up a few times. Often when someone points out an attribute just leave to it out there it is because they are trying to make a critique while leaving an exit strategy. Are you suggesting that this is not usually the case?

 

[gkryhewy]

AKA I'll blame Republicans during the election for imposing an artificial deadline on this loss of jobs.

Economy will be picking up steam by the election; the small number of jobs at issue are a blip in comparison.

 

[A27_StarWolf]

I've been posting in PoliGAF threads for four or five years now. The people you seem to be talking about - those blindly loyal the Democratic party to the point of enthusiastically cheering on odious people like Dodd - do not exist. In fact, most of the left-leaning folks in here have a great deal of contempt for the party (hi!). Dodd in particular has been the subject of much ire over the past few years; there was much cheering in PoliGAF from pretty much everyone when he retired.

Sorry dude, but posts like that are the fastest way to get your views dismissed; you're lobbing insults at a broad swath of folks in the thread without merit. I don't think you can name one person here who will defend Chris Dodd, in general or on this in particular.

I know, I wasn't saying anyone here supported him though.

I have not been posting here for five years, but the time I've posted I have had too many people tell me "I was a stupid republican once" Or talk down on me for being remotely conservative. That being said most of you are not liberal or conservative zombies.

There are a couple of you though, it provides me with the laughs.
_________________________________________________________
So moving on, I would like to propose something. Is it possible for anyone here to accept that Gingrich is a changed man? Perhaps I'm more forgiving, but I feel like at the very least he is trying to prove he is a better man. I haven't gotten the negative vibes you guys seem to have gotten. I've seen him get angry at Mitt Romney, for good reason. I just haven't noticed some of these arrogant tendencies.

 

[Lambtron]

Is it possible for anyone here to accept that Gingrich is a changed man?

:lol

No.

 

[A27_StarWolf]

:lol

No.

But he is old enough to drink beer.

 

[JCreasy]

What did Williams say?

He had the audacity to challenge Newt last Monday at the debate. He questioned him about some of the racial comments he made about the black community and welfare checks

 

[A27_StarWolf]

He had the audacity to challenge Newt last Monday at the debate. He questioned him about some of the racial comments he made about the black community and welfare checks

Were they racial or taken the wrong way?

 

[empty vessel]

AKA I'll blame Republicans during the election for imposing an artificial deadline on this loss of jobs.

The jobs were a pretext for the economic interests involved. Likewise, your professed concern about jobs is disingenuous. If you cared about jobs, you would advocate public works projects or other forms of government spending to put money back in the economy. The few measly jobs that were lost from the cancellation of the pipeline can easily be made up (and millions more). You in or out?