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US PoliGAF 2012 | The Romney VeepStakes: Waiting for Chris Christie to Sing
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What the hell's wrong with you.
Mortrialus
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Joke post?
Invisible_Insane
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She said it while posing as the moderator (Gwen Ifill) of the Vice Presidential debate on SNL. Reasonably proxy of public opinion, I think.
Ether_Snake
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When the poor have low minimum wage, "they have to work harder to make more money!", but when the rich are taxed more, why don't they work harder to make more money?
Fact is higher taxes on the rich would lead to a stronger economy, more jobs, etc.
outunderthestars
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I am confused as to how one goes from Obama to Santorum. They seem like polar opposites.
A27_StarWolf
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So I just caught some of the replay of the debate.
John King was ruined by Newt Gingrich.
John King was ruined by Newt Gingrich.
RustyNails
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Troll post of the year and we havent even finished january yet. Bravo
The Librarian
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I gotta say. I can't ignore it anymore.
I fucking love Newt Gingrich.
Yeah, he's a moron, but the way the man is so full of himself in debates is so fucking amazing that I can't help but enjoy watching him square off with everyone.
I chuckle every time the man answers a question. The dude's hilarious.
I fucking love Newt Gingrich.
Yeah, he's a moron, but the way the man is so full of himself in debates is so fucking amazing that I can't help but enjoy watching him square off with everyone.
I chuckle every time the man answers a question. The dude's hilarious.
"You know, if Obama is this hesitant to release his birth certificate, it makes me think that there's something bad in there he doesn't want anybody to see."
Plenty of stuff to criticize Mittens on without resorting to this.
"You know, if Obama is this hesitant to release his birth certificate, it makes me think that there's something bad in there he doesn't want anybody to see."
Plenty of stuff to criticize Mittens on without resorting to this.
Not the same thing at all. At all.
PhoenixDark
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"You know, if Obama is this hesitant to release his birth certificate, it makes me think that there's something bad in there he doesn't want anybody to see."
Plenty of stuff to criticize Mittens on without resorting to this.
This needs to be repeated from the mountain top. I think Romney should release his tax returns, and he will eventually. But liberals are sounding like birthers with some of these insinuations
I know a birth certificate isn't the same as tax returns, but it's the assumption of guilt that really annoys me
RustyNails
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John king is awful. They should've gone with The Blitz.
The Librarian
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"You know, if Obama is this hesitant to release his birth certificate, it makes me think that there's something bad in there he doesn't want anybody to see."
Plenty of stuff to criticize Mittens on without resorting to this.
As I responded earlier, I saw what Jon Cohn was said and was starting to think he may have a point.
But you do have a point. Not the best way for me to word what I was trying to say. :/
A27_StarWolf
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I'm not alone, anyone think he could win South Carolina?
Invisible_Insane
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Not quite: whether or not you think candidates should release their tax returns, the expectation is that they do, and Romney had to be aware that it would become an issue. His hesitance to do so in the face of that prevailing expectation is legitimately cause for curiosity, even if you're of the opinion that he shouldn't have to release them."You know, if Obama is this hesitant to release his birth certificate, it makes me think that there's something bad in there he doesn't want anybody to see."
Plenty of stuff to criticize Mittens on without resorting to this.
Except that Obama did release his birth certificate when he was running. Romney hasn't released his tax returns.
He is going to win SC.
I didn't really give a crap about the tax returns and kind of wondered why others cared until I saw Mitt's reaction to the question in the last debate. I have never in my life seen someone squirm like that, especially from a question that should be straight forward and simple. Not saying there's anything worse in there than what he's already said, but that reaction was just friggin weird.
PantherLotus
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LOL holy shit omg now this is funny
Invisible_Insane
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Legitimately the worst fake laugh I have ever heard.
Bob McDonnell is popping up on my twitter feed as a promoted tweet from the Republican Governor's Association. "Stand with Scott." The Republican party seems determined to die on that hill.
RustyNails
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Except some of us are genuinely interested in his record at Bain. Some of the deals he did, he made out like bandits. We're talking about 10s of millions of dollars in individual deals. I hope he delays releasing them so it snowballs further into april."You know, if Obama is this hesitant to release his birth certificate, it makes me think that there's something bad in there he doesn't want anybody to see."
Plenty of stuff to criticize Mittens on without resorting to this.
As John King mentioned in the debate, candidates releasing their tax returns has become standard operating procedure in presidential politics. All candidates are expected to do it and so Romney's hesitation becomes an issue in this context. Then there's also the fact that the press, democrats, and Romney's opponents sense an opportunity to damage him through whatever is in those tax returns.
Romney's current argument for not releasing them is "I'm going to be our nominee as long as I can fend off these other guys on stage with me and I don't want to supply them with ammo to hurt me" and I can understand why others feel that's not a very good argument.
Romney's current argument for not releasing them is "I'm going to be our nominee as long as I can fend off these other guys on stage with me and I don't want to supply them with ammo to hurt me" and I can understand why others feel that's not a very good argument.
Atramental
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Yeah, Newt definitely has a better chance of winning SC now.
My parents were kind of rooting for Romney at first but now they're leaning more towards Newt.
PantherLotus
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The taxes thing is clearly relevant because it shows the essential divide the nation is facing. There's never been a more stark, more UNITING cause.
Again, during the second greatest recession this nation has ever known, fueled by corporate greed at the expense of its workers and public health, the rich hoarding wealth while funding a corrupt government, and a government paid off like common stooges to do whatever papa bank and mama oil company wants...at the height of all this, the GOP is deciding between a motherfucking banker and a motherfucking lobbyist. Holy shit you cannot make this up.
And do know that Obama ain't perfect, any more than Clinton was. It just makes the corporatocracy on the liberal side easier to swallow when the GOP is doing this. ARgh.
Again, during the second greatest recession this nation has ever known, fueled by corporate greed at the expense of its workers and public health, the rich hoarding wealth while funding a corrupt government, and a government paid off like common stooges to do whatever papa bank and mama oil company wants...at the height of all this, the GOP is deciding between a motherfucking banker and a motherfucking lobbyist. Holy shit you cannot make this up.
And do know that Obama ain't perfect, any more than Clinton was. It just makes the corporatocracy on the liberal side easier to swallow when the GOP is doing this. ARgh.
The Librarian
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Yeah, he's not going to come off well in the general.
Yeah I think at this point it's a foregone conclusion. Newt handled that question about his ex-wife as best as anyone could have. But the amazing thing is, he did it in a way that ensured nobody would touch it for another two hours.
Invisible_Insane
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Joe Shlabotnik
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I seriously doubt there's anything legally untoward in his tax returns. It's just that it's going to show that his taxes amount to a cool nickel, in an election year that is rapidly coalescing around the issue of income inequality.
The problem isn't that there's something illegal in his tax returns. On the contrary, the problem is that everything in his tax returns IS legal.
The problem isn't that there's something illegal in his tax returns. On the contrary, the problem is that everything in his tax returns IS legal.
Yeah, I believe so.
Really I thought that Romney was the best they had that had a chance at candidacy (Sorry, no Paul or Hunstman) but really I think the picture of Mitt the Ripper, the story of him being a corporate raider has serious legs and that's exactly not what you want with this political climate. It might actually be better to be a megalomaniac who left his wife on her sickbed to sleep with someone else.
I have a feeling Romney and his rhetoric could get so absolutely easily toasted by Obama during a debate in the general election. Of all the candidates I feel like he's been the most lofty and he seems to rely on stuff like "our president wants to make us like the entitlement countries of Europe." If Obama's smart he can just press him on this kind of stuff, and Romney will get flustered like he always seems to in these debates when he's pushed on something.
Just to be clear, I do think he should release the tax returns. I just don't think there's any reason he's hesitant other than him not wanting to draw attention to the fact that he makes a ridiculous amount of money and pays less taxes on it than most Americans do. I would rather criticize him on his policy.
PantherLotus
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Wait just a second, everybody knows the point of Mitt's taxes and getting to see them isn't because anybody thinks there's something illegal, right?
It's to point out that he pays less taxes than the dude who washes your car! He pays less taxes than you! That's the point. Nobody thinks he's doing anything illegal--they think he's doing something immoral. And seeing the taxes puts the lie to the system, and you bet your ass that tax rate on carried interest is going up in the next 4 years, double taxation be damned.
It's to point out that he pays less taxes than the dude who washes your car! He pays less taxes than you! That's the point. Nobody thinks he's doing anything illegal--they think he's doing something immoral. And seeing the taxes puts the lie to the system, and you bet your ass that tax rate on carried interest is going up in the next 4 years, double taxation be damned.
PhoenixDark
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If he releases more than one year of tax returns we'll certainly see he's taxed at a lower rate than middle income Americans, which would be embarrassing and revive the "Buffet Tax" stuff. I think that's the main concern. He's going to be the nominee, therefore we will see something from him.
And while he got booed for his poor answer, he received cheers when he pivoted to the "I'm not apologizing for being successful" line that Joe The Plumber big dreamer republicans love.
And while he got booed for his poor answer, he received cheers when he pivoted to the "I'm not apologizing for being successful" line that Joe The Plumber big dreamer republicans love.
cartoon_soldier
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There is a BIG Policy fight in Mitt's tax returns.
One of it has to do with the Carried Interest loophole.
Many people believe Mitt has used that to continue to pay lower taxes than he otherwise would have to. Obama and Democrats want to eliminate that loophole, Republicans don't.
It is more about how Mitt is earning his money, keeping his taxes so low and how his POLICIES as President will be more beneficial to people like him than middle America.
One of it has to do with the Carried Interest loophole.
Many people believe Mitt has used that to continue to pay lower taxes than he otherwise would have to. Obama and Democrats want to eliminate that loophole, Republicans don't.
It is more about how Mitt is earning his money, keeping his taxes so low and how his POLICIES as President will be more beneficial to people like him than middle America.
Someone has been watching those old "John McCain School of Comedy" VHS tapes.
Valid reason, and I agree. The way the post I quoted was worded just reminded me of the birther thing.
There's more than that. If he's dumb enough to release several years of tax returns a good accountant could be like "So you closed x company and made y money and claimed z on taxes." That and the money he's given to the mormon church will be problematic for evangelicals. Lastly, obviously the 15% tax rate combined with the corporate raider thing will really be super effective.
adamsappel
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I can't believe Newt might get away with his infidelity/open marriage issue. If Newt were a GAFer, and he made TWO threads about how he was going to leave his wives because they had cancer and MS, and he'd been cheating on them besides, conservative- and liberal-GAF would howl for his banning. He cheated on his 2nd wife FOR SIX YEARS! And then asked if it was okay that he keep his mistress! How is that not the vilest of acts for a family-values voter?
Black Republican
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so which gets bigger media coverage, mitt wins SC or newt?
Also Mormons may criticize him for not giving enough to the Mormon church relative to his income once they know the numbers. He's going to take heat from EVERYONE.
Oh it's hilarious the cognitive dissonance in the republicans.
"So long as Newt made his peace with God who am I to judge him? Romney's a Mormon? I'll NEVER vote for him!!"
Also another funny thing is mormons are starting to talk about how they believe Romney's here to fulfill the "White Horse" prophecy. I was gonna post it in the Mormon thread but the mormons don't post in that thread much. Interesting though...
The Librarian
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I'm watching the video of Newt answering King's question, and it so fucking hilarious. The guy doesn't answer the question, goes off about how the news media sucks, makes vague references about everyone feeling pain, says how despicable the question is... He does all this and shuts up King as effectively as if he would have answering the question.
That's it. I'm converting.
Newt for GOP 2012!
That's it. I'm converting.
Newt for GOP 2012!
You don't even have to get into that hypothetical. This was the same guy who got booted from his speaker position after going ALL IN on President Clinton during the Lewinsky scandal. This dude enlisted every single media news agency in trying to publicly shame Clinton and making it an absolute media circus.
Somehow the right believes the "I've changed" *tear* argument.
See Bush's born again-ness, Romney's pro-life stance, and the landslide of Republican Stimulus voters who are now howling about it.
Explain please
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