Demographics don't lie - their core voter base is basically constituted of the Tea Party and similarly-opinionated old people, and it's slowly dying off due to old age. It's only a matter of time before they're replaced as the second party of the two-party system...unless.
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US PoliGAF 2012 | The Romney VeepStakes: Waiting for Chris Christie to Sing
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Karma Kramer
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So far the GOP primary election results tells me pretty positively that Obama will be a second term president.
Refrigerator
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It appears that South Carolina conservatives care little about Gingrich's nationwide disapproval numbers, they just want someone to hurl insults at Obama in a debate.
Long live the confederacy.
Long live the confederacy.
Demographics don't lie - their core voter base is basically constituted of the Tea Party and similarly-opinionated old people, and it's slowly dying off due to old age. It's only a matter of time before they're replaced as the second party of the two-party system...unless.
If Newt gets nominated and the GOP loses the GE andthe house then its bye bye tea party
teruterubozu
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If Newt gets nominated and the GOP loses the GE andthe house then its bye bye tea party
It's been bye bye tea party since Bachmann quit, and probably even before that (like when Boehner caved in December and said fuck the tea partiers).
maximum360
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They all point to hell.
LOL.
Also, re-posting a video of the debate between Obama and Clinton with one of the associated comments: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MD9F1t9GQzA&feature=relmfu
The difference between the Democratic debates and the Republican debates is that the Democratic debates actually sound like college professors intellectually discussing their views while the Republican debates sound like a bunch of anti-science whack-jobs avoiding every question.
LOL.
Also, re-posting a video of the debate between Obama and Clinton with one of the associated comments: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MD9F1t9GQzA&feature=relmfu
That's an interesting video. I wish we could have seen more of that Obama with his dander up when it really mattered vs Congress.
Black Republican
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LOL.
Also, re-posting a video of the debate between Obama and Clinton with one of the associated comments: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MD9F1t9GQzA&feature=relmfu
ah good times
ah good times
My first reaction:
"Wow, look how young he looks."
The presidency must truly put you through hell.
Synth_floyd
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Go NEWT! I'm for anyone but Romney. Cause Newt and Santorum will lose badly to Obama.
I'm surprised that video of Rachel Maddow showing Romney admitting that the economy is getting better isn't getting more traction. I haven't seen a single news site mention it. You would think that shit would be incredibly devastating.
I'm surprised that video of Rachel Maddow showing Romney admitting that the economy is getting better isn't getting more traction. I haven't seen a single news site mention it. You would think that shit would be incredibly devastating.
Got a link?
Black Republican
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I'm surprised that video of Rachel Maddow showing Romney admitting that the economy is getting better isn't getting more traction. I haven't seen a single news site mention it. You would think that shit would be incredibly devastating.
Well, if Romney wins the nomination, the administration can keep it quiet until the GE, where they can make a bigger deal out of it. I can see it being a line in his stump speech when he tries to highlight the recovery; "Even Mitt Romney agrees that the economy is getting better!" or something along those lines.
I imagine that Newt Gingrich has filled Santorum's voicemail inbox this morning with messages of himself begging Santorum to drop out. If Santorum will drop out soon and Gingrich can muster up enough money to get him to Super Tuesday, I think he has a shot.
Manmademan
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I'm not sure I'd be so quick to blame the tea party over this. This is just southern republicans and evangelicals who just can't stand mitt romney. Romney got his ass kicked all over the south in 2008 By Mike Huckabee, and Gingrich is a stronger candidate.Just saw the news. Absolutely hilarious. Congratulations Tea Party, your insane incoherence really knows no bounds.
teruterubozu
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3 votes, 3 different candidates. LOL
Narpas Sword0
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Well, if Romney wins the nomination, the administration can keep it quiet until the GE, where they can make a bigger deal out of it. I can see it being a line in his stump speech when he tries to highlight the recovery; "Even Mitt Romney agrees that the economy is getting better!" or something along those lines.
I imagine that Newt Gingrich has filled Santorum's voicemail inbox this morning with messages of himself begging Santorum to drop out. If Santorum will drop out soon and Gingrich can muster up enough money to get him to Super Tuesday, I think he has a shot.
That sound byte won't gain traction unless the average American feels like mitt Romney was right. Obama doesn't want to appear to gloat about a recovery many have not felt
Black Republican
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according to some twitter feed, it looks like its confirmed romney will release his 2010 tax returns on tuesday and admits this week wasnt great for him
From twitter:
Mike Monteiro (@Mike_FTW)
1/21/12 9:21 PM
Rick Santorum launches Conservatives Unite Moneybomb (CUM). I am not making this up. ricksantorum.com/unite/
So is Santorum embracing what his name refers to now, or is his staff just that dense?
Salvor.Hardin
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I'm surprised that video of Rachel Maddow showing Romney admitting that the economy is getting better isn't getting more traction. I haven't seen a single news site mention it. You would think that shit would be incredibly devastating.
It's not getting traction because most people realize he was referring to business cycles and how economic booms and troughs are just part of the system, so its only natural for the economy to recuperate. It's funny though because what he's trying to say is "The economy is not recovering as fast as it should because Obama's policies are wrong" but what he instead says is either the economy is getting better or its getting worse.
It's kind of a non story really.
The tea party may not have lined up behind Palin or Michelle, because contrary to what gaf thinks, tea party doesn't necessarily mean idiot.
It actually does mostly mean idiot, as far as the evidence I've seen suggests. A bunch of faux-patriotic flag draping alarmists dragging the constitution around while simultaneously knowing absolutely nothing about the founding fathers true intentions. While it's impossible to generalize absolutely every single tea party member, a tea partier that had any real forward intelligence would be the exception to the rule. At the very least being a tea partier requires a monopoly on intellectual dishonesty, so even if you do happen to be a smart tea partier you must act like the mouthbreathing retards the rest of the group are.
These people are kings of catchphrases and soundbites, fear mongering demagogues and whores for which the destruction of this country is literally preferable to giving up their horrific, categorically absurd ideological positions. If I see one more fucking tea party "patriot" dressed up like Thomas Jefferson quoting how much he loved his fucking bible and lack of taxes, I'm going to stab that person in the eye and eat his fucking brain. <3
Not even that could help him. He is the definition of unelectable. Not that I think he's even capable of getting the nomination, but there are far too many establishment politicians who would do anything not to see the day when Gingrich is in the top office.
No president is going to be elected with unemployment upwards of 8.5% and continually rising. Which is precisely what will happen with a Eurozone collapse.
Romeny nomination reconfirmedaccording to some twitter feed, it looks like its confirmed romney will release his 2010 tax returns on tuesday and admits this week wasnt great for him
It actually does mostly mean idiot, as far as the evidence I've seen suggests. A bunch of faux-patriotic flag draping alarmists dragging the constitution around while simultaneously knowing absolutely nothing about the founding fathers true intentions. While it's impossible to generalize absolutely every single tea party member, a tea partier that had any real forward intelligence would be the exception to the rule. At the very least being a tea partier requires a monopoly on intellectual dishonesty, so even if you do happen to be a smart tea partier you must act like the mouthbreathing retards the rest of the group are.
These people are kings of catchphrases and soundbites, fear mongering demagogues and whores for which the destruction of this country is literally preferable to giving up their horrific, categorically absurd ideological positions. If I see one more fucking tea party "patriot" dressed up like Thomas Jefferson quoting how much he loved his fucking bible and lack of taxes, I'm going to stab that person in the eye and eat his fucking brain. <3
No president is going to be elected with unemployment upwards of 8.5% and continually rising. Which is precisely what will happen with a Eurozone collapse.
Right. The tea party is three parts idiot and one part cynical evil that realize they can expand their influence if they rile up the idiots.
Romeny nomination reconfirmed
The reason the Bain smears didn't stick well is because they were vague enough to be deflected as anti-capitalism.
But if his returns contain more specific foddersay, pointing to Romney shoveling money into a foreign tax shelterthen the exact same Bain smears will probably find more traction.
Also, keep in mind that now that Gingrich has money, if Romney corners him, he can release a "crazy shit Mormons believe" and swift boat him. Thanks to Citizens United, he can plausibly get away with claiming to have nothing to do with it too.
according to some twitter feed, it looks like its confirmed romney will release his 2010 tax returns on tuesday and admits this week wasnt great for him
It's not just some twitter feed, it's legit as you can see here:
"Given all the attention that's been focused on tax returns, given the distraction I think they became in these last couple of weeks, look, I'm going to make it very clear to you right now Chris, I'm going to release my tax returns for 2010, which is the last returns that were completed," Romney told "Fox News Sunday" host Chris Wallace. "I'll do them on Tuesday of this week. I'm also at the same time going to release an estimate for 2011 tax returns. So you'll have two years, people can take a good look at it."
The next debate: "Hey Romney, why aren't you releasing the last 12 years of tax returns like your father? What are you hiding back in the past?"
Right. The tea party is three parts idiot and one part cynical evil that realize they can expand their influence if they rile up the idiots.
It's absolutely true. Don't get me wrong, I know that many true tea partiers are dumb enough to actually BELIEVE in the horrible things they're saying, so it doesn't always make them inherently evil. They're being led by truly manipulative politicians and "leaders" who are driving the stake of fear into their hearts, causing them to literally vote against their best interests.
One can't help but be somewhat impressed by the political gamesmanship the tea party movement has shown, but it's clear that this is the same type of movement that is being driven by core ideologues for which true belief in this foundation is secondary to merely retaking the country to force their country-destroying ideals on others. It's a lot like how the Evangelicals took the Republican party in the late 70s and transformed it piece by piece, until it looked like the current abominable mockery of United States patriotism it currently is.
The Librarian
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Romeny nomination reconfirmed
Hm. Why not release the others? Yeah, he'll be releasing them on Tuesday.
Also, Boehner may hold the payroll tax hostage for the pipeline.
http://thinkprogress.org/green/2012...-tax-holiday-hostage-to-keystone-xl-pipeline/
EternalGamer
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Right. The tea party is three parts idiot and one part cynical evil that realize they can expand their influence if they rile up the idiots.
One of the key things that shows me how impotent the movement really is is the fact that the one candidate closest to their views (Ron Paul) gets little traction. Meanwhile the dudes with lots of money and mouthfuls of platitudes get all the attention.
However, I think Maddow is right, Paul does represent the youth demographic in the Republican party and it may not be this election, but it is a significant movement. I think it will eventually be the dominant Republican view. Perhaps Rand Paul in 2020 pulls it off.
I personally am not sure how I feel about that. I'm not sure trading social conservatism for far more radical fiscal conservatism is a good trade. Social conservatism is mostly a bunch of hot air. It isn't tht threatening to the way most of us live our daily lives and it rarely results in policy changes. However we kind of need things like schools, infratructure investment, and social safety nets like social security and Medicare.
I am more comfortable with social conservatives screaming about abortion, gay marriage, god and country etc, because I can comfortably tune it out. It's mostly just grandstanding that the GOP has perfected. I respect Paul even though I think a lot of his ideas are crazy and irrsesponsible. He is the only Republican candidate that represents any real change from the status quo.
One of the key things that shows me how impotent the movement really is is the fact that the one candidate closest to their views (Ron Paul) gets little traction. Meanwhile the dudes with lots of money and mouthfuls of platitudes get all the attention.
However, I think Maddow is right, Paul does represent the youth demographic in the Republican party and it may not be this election, but it is a significant movement. I think it will eventually be the dominant Republican view. Perhaps Rand Paul in 2020 pulls it off.
I personally am not sure how I feel about that. I'm not sure trading social conservatism for far more radical fiscal conservatism is a good trade. Social conservatism is mostly a bunch of hot air. It isn't tht threatening to the way most of us live our daily lives and it rarely results in policy changes. However we kind of need things like schools, infratructure investment, and social safety nets like social security and Medicare.
I am more comfortable with social conservatives screaming about abortion, gay marriage, god and country etc, because I can comfortably tune it out. It's mostly just grandstanding that the GOP has perfected. I respect Paul even though I think a lot of his ideas are crazy and irrsesponsible. He is the only Republican candidate that represents any real change from the status quo.
Ron Paul isn't closest to tea party views at all! He's closest to their PURPORTED views, which are generic libertarian hand-waving. They're anti-government, but only as a reflex to being out of power. Paul doesn't look anything like them, because he would actually curtail their broader agenda of being afraid of immigrants, Muslims, and racial minorities.
The tea party is at it's core pure, unadulterated fear. Republicans see that demographically, white 50s America is gone and never coming back. But since most individuals are in denial about that, politicians are more than happy to tap into that fear and ride it to electoral success.
I'm actually afraid that if Newt wins the primary that he will so successfully tap into the vitriol, fear, and hate that he'll win the general.
One of the key things that shows me how impotent the movement really is is the fact that the one candidate closest to their views (Ron Paul) gets little traction. Meanwhile the dudes with lots of money and mouthfuls of platitudes get all the attention.
Ron Paul is not closest to their views. The foreign policy stances of Ron Paul put him immediately out of the realm of most of these war mongering monsters.
In reality, a Michele Bachmann was probably the closest fit. Considering she even started the tea party caucus in the Congress and has morphed her views to literally fit every tea party bulletpoint. Although that supports your theory too.
However, I think Maddow is right, Paul does represent the youth demographic in the Republican party and it may not be this election, but it is a significant movement. I think it will eventually be the dominant Republican view. Perhaps Rand Paul in 2020 pulls it off.
I think what the libertarian movement needs is a good leader. Ron Paul is not a hypocrite, but he has horrendous skeletons in his closet (particularly re: racism) and looks on stage as a feeble, weak-willed ideas guy who is more entertainment than viable candidate. I support many Libertarian values, but could never support Ron Paul. With the right leader, it is indeed possible to begin to galvanize the movement into something more serious in the Republican party. Somehow, though, it would involve convincing the Repubs to start to stray away from the saber rattling, which only a leader of immense talent could do.
I personally am not sure how I feel about that. I'm not sure trading social conservatism for far more radical fiscal conservatism is a good trade. Social conservatism is mostly a bunch of hot air. It isn't tht threatening to the way most of us live our daily lives and it rarely results in policy changes. However we kind of need things like schools, infratructure investment, and social safety nets like social security and Medicare.
I am more comfortable with social conservatives screaming about abortion, gay marriage, god and country etc, because I can comfortably tune it out. It's mostly just grandstanding that the GOP has perfected. I respect Paul even though I think a lot of his ideas are crazy and irrsesponsible. He is the only Republican candidate that represents any real change from the status quo.
It is not threatening the way most of us live? There are many thousands of examples that would say you're wrong. There are too many examples to list here (here is an example of what an insane social conservative thinks was achieved in 2011 alone), but suffice to say social conservatism is eating away at the core of American values.
I think what the libertarian movement needs is a good leader. Ron Paul is not a hypocrite, but he has horrendous skeletons in his closet (particularly re: racism) and looks on stage as a feeble, weak-willed ideas guy who is more entertainment than viable candidate. I support many Libertarian values, but could never support Ron Paul. With the right leader, it is indeed possible to begin to galvanize the movement into something more serious in the Republican party. Somehow, though, it would involve convincing the Repubs to start to stray away from the saber rattling, which only a leader of immense talent could do.
Right. What Paulites don't want to hear is that neither Ron nor Rand are that person. They are both too tainted by establishment politics, particularly the religiosity that runs through everything in the current Republican party.
Watching and listening to Governor Christie on Meet the Press. Guy is a great speaker. Too bad he seems more interested in finishing his work as governor of NJ, going as far as guaranteeing a win this year. I'm no Republican but this guy is the kind of person that party desperately needs. I'm gonna do more research on him and his ideas to better grasp his ideas on the country
Hm. Why not release the others? Yeah, he'll be releasing them on Tuesday.
Also, Boehner may hold the payroll tax hostage for the pipeline.
http://thinkprogress.org/green/2012...-tax-holiday-hostage-to-keystone-xl-pipeline/
Not shocked in the least on this one. If there's one thing Boehner and company love, it's holding the economy hostage. I'm expecting a full year of this shit.
Not shocked in the least on this one. If there's one thing Boehner and company love, it's holding the economy hostage. I'm expecting a full year of this shit.
I'll be honest. The payroll tax issue isn't as huge a deal as some of the other times they've held bills hostage. I would love for Obama to draw a line in the sand on this one. He needs to get his balls up for the GE, and spun in the right way this fight could work well for dems.
"Democrats tried to lower your taxes in these hard economic times, but Republicans blocked the measure because they wanted to force through a pipeline for big oil before the environmental impact could be safely gauged."
Gary Whitta
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Chris Christie on TV AGAIN? Isn't this guy supposed to have a day job? If I were a NJ voter I'd be pissed.
I'll be honest. The payroll tax issue isn't as huge a deal as some of the other times they've held bills hostage. I would love for Obama to draw a line in the sand on this one. He needs to get his balls up for the GE, and spun in the right way this fight could work well for dems.
"Democrats tried to lower your taxes in these hard economic times, but Republicans blocked the measure because they wanted to force through a pipeline for big oil before the environmental impact could be safely gauged."
Likewise. But the only reason Boehner is picking that is because it's the next thing up.
Agree about the framing. It sort of writes itself. I was surprised how fast their last hostage case with the payroll tax cut blew up on them publicly - they lost that fight badly. I don't see this one going well either.
Gary Whitta
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Christie laying the smack down on the Giants!
Invisible_Insane
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Why? This argument is so puerile. It's Sunday. Are these people not entitled to days off? So what if he wants to be on television on his day off? And if something were to go wrong, would he be less able to act in his capacity as governor by being a couple of hours away?Chris Christie on TV AGAIN? Isn't this guy supposed to have a day job? If I were a NJ voter I'd be pissed.
New Jersey already took the Statue of Liberty; they can lay the fuck off on my New York Football Giants.Christie laying the smack down on the Giants!
Sirpopopop
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Watching and listening to Governor Christie on Meet the Press. Guy is a great speaker. Too bad he seems more interested in finishing his work as governor of NJ, going as far as guaranteeing a win this year. I'm no Republican but this guy is the kind of person that party desperately needs. I'm gonna do more research on him and his ideas to better grasp his ideas on the country
If Chris Christie becomes President, the first thing he will do is state that the U.S. system of higher education is broke, and does a poor job of educating its students for the world at large, and we need to be more like Zimbabwe.
(This is despite the fact that in terms of higher ed., the U.S. is one of the best in the world.)
As to why I say Christie would say that? He's very good at misdiagnosing problems and then just shouting down anyone who disagrees with him.
He's like Newt Gingrich, he throws a lot of red meat to the crowd, and they just eat it up. He's a youtube governor for the youtube age.
cartoon_soldier
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Just 2 years Tax Returns? Romney is definitely hiding something, but I can say this will kill the issue still.
The Librarian
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Not necessarily. Remember, his father released more than one year because other than that it'd be a fluke. The pressure will mount for him to release more than a year's worth.Just 2 years Tax Returns? Romney is definitely hiding something, but I can say this will kill the issue still.
Gary Whitta
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Why? This argument is so puerile. It's Sunday. Are these people not entitled to days off? So what if he wants to be on television on his day off? And if something were to go wrong, would he be less able to act in his capacity as governor by being a couple of hours away?
New Jersey already took the Statue of Liberty; they can lay the fuck off on my New York Football Giants.
He's on TV almost EVERY DAY doing interviews on POTUS politics. Shit or get off the pot.
Chris Christie on TV AGAIN? Isn't this guy supposed to have a day job? If I were a NJ voter I'd be pissed.
No he has loads of time now that New Jersey has clean air, rivers, well maintained roads, low taxes and a populace that speaks as if it just spent a year in a mansion with Rex Harrison.
Invisible_Insane
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Do you really think he needs to spend his every waking moment actively attending to the job of being governor of New Jersey? Or even anything close to that? It's not that I care for Chris Christie at all, I just think it's completely unreasonable to expect that he shouldn't be able to do anything else. People can walk and chew gum; it's not a big deal.He's on TV almost EVERY DAY doing interviews on POTUS politics. Shit or get off the pot.
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I'll be honest. The payroll tax issue isn't as huge a deal as some of the other times they've held bills hostage. I would love for Obama to draw a line in the sand on this one. He needs to get his balls up for the GE, and spun in the right way this fight could work well for dems.
"Democrats tried to lower your taxes in these hard economic times, but Republicans blocked the measure because they wanted to force through a pipeline for big oil before the environmental impact could be safely gauged."
It's a big deal to those in the poor and lower middle-class.
Now that I think about it, that's probably why the GOP is willing to hold it hostage.
The Librarian
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Romney won't release more than two years' worth of tax returns because of the intertubes:
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/20...years-of-tax-returns-because-of-the-internet/
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/20...years-of-tax-returns-because-of-the-internet/
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according to some twitter feed, it looks like its confirmed romney will release his 2010 tax returns on tuesday and admits this week wasnt great for him
Like his dad said, releasing one year of tax returns is meaningless, this issue won't really go away until he releases at least several years.
I think really he's trying to hide how much he has donated to the Mormon Church. People know he donates to the Mormon Church, but it's an easy thing to isolate him on.
Everything about his low tax rate and his Cayman Island tax evasion money is something I firmly believes he thinks he could get around, but being a Mormon...
Everything about his low tax rate and his Cayman Island tax evasion money is something I firmly believes he thinks he could get around, but being a Mormon...
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The reason the Bain smears didn't stick well is because they were vague enough to be deflected as anti-capitalism.
But if his returns contain more specific foddersay, pointing to Romney shoveling money into a foreign tax shelterthen the exact same Bain smears will probably find more traction.
Also, keep in mind that now that Gingrich has money, if Romney corners him, he can release a "crazy shit Mormons believe" and swift boat him. Thanks to Citizens United, he can plausibly get away with claiming to have nothing to do with it too.
What do you mean that the Bain smears did not stick? I thought polls showed that they had major impact in South Carolina?
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