At this point I'm not so convinced Obama should laugh away the possibility of Gingrich in the GE.
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US PoliGAF 2012 | The Romney VeepStakes: Waiting for Chris Christie to Sing
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Phoenician_Viking
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He is not Mormon so Evangelicals will vote for him. He might refresh the Evangelical base like Bush did in 2004. All he has to do is talk about Abortion, gay marriage and other stuff that religious care about and he gets the religious´vote i recon. I know it´s the economy stupid phrase, but one must never underestimate religious vote, or one´s opponent. I am not thinking that independents will flock to Obama like they did in 2008. If the economy did not improve or got even worse than Obama is in deep shit.
Is there not a big disillusionment in Obama from both democrats and independents? Some of the independent base might vote for Gingrich, as a protest vote against Obama. There are many variables that you cannot dismiss.
Construction jobs that are temporary?! No way. I thought they would hang around and polish the pipe after they constructed it.
That's what an independent report looks like? hahah. It reads more like a takedown piece than an actual unbiased report. No mention about how much tax revenues this project could produce for local and state governments? Or recommendations that additional money should be taxed on this construction to offset any future environmental problems? Shouldn't that at least get a mention in a comprehensive 'independent' study?
Anyways, it's pretty clear that TransCanada inflated their job reports and probably wouldn't meet all the goals they set forth. But that's no different than the 100's of other companies that submit bids and make plans before a project goes forth. That's not to excuse them, but just to remind people about reality.
Open Source
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Completely independent and nonpartisan!
But probably still closer to the truth than the industry-provided figures, I reckon. Still, where was all this concern and denigration of the temporary nature of construction jobs with stimulus infrastructure projects? And other non-job jobs like researching monkeys smoking crack or whatever?
And when you've got everyone except the environmental groups and their allies on the left saying it's a no-brainer, it's probably a no-brainer.
I remember how a lot of women that were for Hillary Clinton voted against Obama or claimed to. I wonder how the Paulites will vote when he bows out. Who will his fanbase blame? The republican who beat him or the big government president that no one believed he'd be able to beat.
Hmm...
Just stirring things around in my head. Don't count Gingrich out in the GE out of hand.
Learn2read
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Even TransCanada only projected 20k jobs.
Well, if the repubs are anything like Hollywood in the way they inflate jobs numbers, then they're probably counting every gas station worker that a pipeline worker fills up at and every diner worker that serves them a burger...
Al-ibn Kermit
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But George Bush WAS an evangelical so it's easy for him to convince those types of voters to get out and vote for him just by pimping those issues. It's a little harder for a Catholic who outright asked his wife to give up monogamy to go around preaching the sanctity of marriage.
Particle Physicist
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They are using Romney Math
Bush also had appeal to independents (Bush and Kerry essentially split the independent vote). You don't win a presidency without independents.
Joe Romm is so completely out in left field, it's ridiculous. Here's a guy who has his fingers on the pulse of new energy.
- Joe Romm, Testimony before the Committee on Commerce of the U.S. Senate (September 21, 2000).
He's already really watered down that criticism. I have a feeling that if he was in the GE he'd just make a big show of rolling his eyes and saying "Here they go again" and the audience will laugh and the dems will look like mudslingers.
Damn you John King.
speculawyer
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He is in left-field because he got duped by a company of right-wing crooks back in 2000?
You should be mad at the right-wing crooks. They are the ones that lied.
Yeah I didn't get what he was talking about. Was it just the Enron thing that bugged him?
What does it matter what their political leaning is? The focus is on Romm and his complete, decades-long obsession with 'non-traditional' technology that isn't market ready yet.
stupid question but what is the point of this pipe line. Other then temporary jobs what will it do in the long run? And why is this a better infrastructure project then high speed rail network in Florida and California?
Learn2read
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Bring Oil to Southern refineries, with it's products being shipped overseas through the Gulf of Mexico.
Joe Shlabotnik
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She basically got out-flanked by the Tea Party, and can't even fathom how to move right of Michelle Bachman. Her brand of neocon crazy is soooo 2003.
Move Canadian oil to the Gulf of Mexico to be refined and sold, possibly to foreign nations.
PhoenixDark
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Yea because the economy is doing so swell 20k jobs wouldn't help people
Where are you liberals and your temporary job hating selves during the stimulus fight, I wonder
gutter_trash
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aren't Conservatives the ones advocating for States rights?
so if some States did not like the design of the TransCanada pipeline, it was the State's right to object to the Stephen Harper poo poo pipes
so if some States did not like the design of the TransCanada pipeline, it was the State's right to object to the Stephen Harper poo poo pipes
Jeb already said he's not endorsing anyone, so obviously he won't be doing everything he can to help Romney when he won't even do the easiest thing.
Crazy that the polls in Florida swung so much, so fast. I imagine that they're about to be/are currently being bombarded by anti-Gingrich ads that would make the Iowa campaign look like nothing. Only now Gingrich has some cash and support to fight back a bit.
This is gonna be nuts.
This is gonna be nuts.
Doesn't that just whiff of BS? Doesn't want to take even the slightest chance he'd back a loser so he doesn't back anyone. It bugs me that people are tossing his name around for VP or for the top spot in 2016.
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Actually, I just did some checking with a friend who works on offshore rigs in the Gulf and knows a bit about the oil biz...he says that a 1700 mile pipeline is going to take tens of thousands of workers to construct (including support) and thousands to maintain. So, a good number of both temporary and permanent jobs, though not as high as my earlier figure.
Did some checking on that Cornell outfit, is pretty much your standard lefty think tank/advocacy sort of place. Wouldn't trust them any more than I'd trust transcanada.
Indeed. If Nebraska wants an alternate route and TransCanada is willing to oblige them, then we wait for that. This is such a non-issue. It will be approved in the end, just not on the terms of Washington politicians who could give a flying shit about the middle-class jobs and families it will help in the short-run.
That doesn't mean there isn't stuff going on behind the scenes.
Open Source
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10th Amendment said:
And one of the powers given to Congress under
Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution said:
If a transnational pipeline doesn't fall under interstate commerce, I don't know what would. Especially since just about everything else you could possibly think of (including PPACA) does.
Open Source
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Maybe they should switch to "created or saved".
In this economy it's an important statistic, but I catch your meaning.
MrGame&Watch
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Anyone else terrified of Gingrich being the nominee? He could actually be President.
cartoon_soldier
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They keystone XL Pipeline will still happen I think, just will use an alternative route.
MightyKAC
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I am. Just the mere fact that he's even this close sends a shiver down my spine. I swear I'm going to be in a corner, shaking, drunk off my ass on election night if he actually wins. I think I'll be doing that in fear already if he's even on the ballot.
MrGame&Watch
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Never underestimate the stupidity of the American people
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Hey, so what is up with that Republican political operative getting arrested for stealing a Democratic politician's identity in order to frame him for ethics violations? That sounds like something that would be generating more buzz.
JCreasy
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I honestly believe there tons of sensible republicans out there that would vote for Obama if Gingrich got the nom.
Open Source
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I don't think that will happen. Obama is going to be branding their core beliefs, regardless of who runs, as far-right extremism, since going negative and getting voters to fear the Republican candidate more than the current state of the economy is the only viable strategy for him. Thus, Republicans will be less likely to vote for him as they were when he was Mr. Hopenchange Centrist.
Stay home? Sure.
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What's this about? Do you have a link?
I H8 Memes
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Sounds like something that moron James O'Keefe would do, but google doesn't show any results anything like this.
Yea because the economy is doing so swell 20k jobs wouldn't help people
Where are you liberals and your temporary job hating selves during the stimulus fight, I wonder
You're trolling...right?
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
You can count me as one. I actually like that Obama is a centrist. I think a lot of the stuff he does is "business as usual" and partisan as hell, but he has done a fair job considering most presidents don't do anything right.
Newt, however, would be disastrous on any scale. He is a piece of dog excrement. The fact that people taking down Romney for being exorbitantly wealthy, while forgetting the fact that he seems pretty reasonable in his personal life, while also forgetting the fact that Newt has cheated multiple times, took 1.6 million from Freddie Mac (consulting my ass...called lobbying, son), has a million dollar line of credit at Tiffanys, got fined hundreds of thousands of dollars by his own party, kicked out of office, etc.
Romney is out of touch with the common man, but he seems uncomfortable with being sleazy. Newt vomits, rolls around in it, and licks it clean, with a big shit-eating grin on his face.
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
WTF.
Every single time I think, 'no way the average IQ could be 100!!!! That would mean there would be so many severely handicapped people running around to balance all of us above-average, reasonable people," I read something like this and imam taken back.
How can people be so shameless?
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
Ridiculous demographics in that poll, but probably indicative of the actual demographics that voted in the primary.
Old white people are stupid, racist, and commonly vote against their own interests and reality.
planar1280
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wait.....gingrich is projected to WIN now in florida by Nate???? Romney was locked at 90% 2 days ago
http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/fivethirtyeight/primaries/florida
http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/fivethirtyeight/primaries/florida
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
Nuts dude. It is going to be strange to see the forgone conclusion, Mitt Romney, fall from grace, if people keep falling for Newt's pile of shit.
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