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US PoliGAF 2012 | The Romney VeepStakes: Waiting for Chris Christie to Sing
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This is going to turn out to be one of those "they did it themselves" things. Fool me twice, can't get fooled again.
The Librarian
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Let's get one thing straight here. Just because two sides are saying two different things doesn't mean one side isn't true. That the Republican party has moved farther to the right over the past forty-odd years than the Democratic party over the same time period is fact. From taxes, health care, climate change, immigration, etc. The list goes on and on.
Rentahamster
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PhoenixDark
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http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...ction/florida/2012_florida_republican_primary
I think Gingrich will come close but ultimately lose thanks to early voting. Things are going to even out over this week. Gingrich will probably have another good-to-great debate performance tonight though, which could lengthen his momentum. But SC showed that nothing is set in stone, and leads can disappear in mere hours.
1) Rasmussen caveat, so take point 2 with a grain of salt...
2) He's only up by 11%... which to me looks like his support was already weakening before the weekend. Let's not forget how big of a shift we've seen in the past 10 days.
EDIT: I mean, he was up 24 points in a CNN poll from last Wednesday. http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/images/01/18/topstate4.pdf
As consolation, Obama can make him Ambassador to France.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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By 're-brand', of course, I meant in name only, e.g. The Tea Party. Republicans will always have the same plays from the same playbook.
RustyNails
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Derp. wrong quote lol
Dr. Pangloss
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I sort of feel sorry for Romney. He just picked the wrong state to be governor of. The changing of his political views would never have happen if he did not live in Massachusetts. He should have done what the Bush family did when they moved from Connecticut to Texas. If he does not get the nomination, then it will be the last stand of the Rockefeller Republicans. It's also the same reason Reagan would not win the nomination today. He would have compromised so much to be the governor of California.
It seems you need to be from the South or Mid-West to even be considered. There you can easily maintain a pure belief in the Republican party's ideology. I think we would have been looking at Perry for the nomination if he wasn't as dumb as a sack of rocks.
It seems you need to be from the South or Mid-West to even be considered. There you can easily maintain a pure belief in the Republican party's ideology. I think we would have been looking at Perry for the nomination if he wasn't as dumb as a sack of rocks.
RustyNails
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This reminds me of the Deer Hunter vietcong interrogation scene but with Romney in DeNiro's role
So basically this is the Poli-GAF member:
- Thinks everyone but Mitt Romney in the republican field are nutjobs and will eventually loose, its just a matter of time before Mitt Romney delivers the final blow and even if he never seem to do it, he will one day do it.
- Thinks Obama will completely crush whoever he is fighting unless its Mitt Romney then he might get a little bit of trouble.
- Will vote for Obama.
- Does not fit in with one of the above points.
Joe Shlabotnik
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Haha, holy shit, I had forgotten about that nonsense. I wonder if that girl de-crazied at all in the intervening four years.
Sirpopopop
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While I agree with you Dax, I think now is a prime opportunity for you to lose the "young" label.
You've got a chance to win the argument, now go for the killing blow by making that list of positions and how they've shifted!
Dr. Pangloss
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You might be on to something. I can't wait for more stories like this to pop up if this came true.
"We need more bullets." Spoiler for the movie:
In the movie DeNiro asks the vietcong to add more bullets to the gun for Russian roulette and making the chance of his death more likely.
I was going to ask if the B was backwards on the cat.
Am I a bad person? :/
Edit: you covered that too already
RustyNails
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But in this case the vietcong leader is Barbara Walters. MAU!!!!
Joe Shlabotnik
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...yes? Even assuming a deeply embarrassing loss in Florida, the primary calendar afterwards is still theoretically very Romney-friendly. To be fair, things have definitely gotten a lot nuttier and less predictable in the last week. But Gingrich is still basically just bull-charging through the early primaries, with little organizational machinery (or money) behind him. He's off the ballot in Virginia and Missouri, and maaybe Ohio (will probably get on, though).
That Chait quote from earlier is on the nose: it's a guy who could lose the nomination to anyone vs. a guy who can't possibly win. Prepare for a space-time disruption.
That's what I meant to post. Carry on.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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I blame the Liberal Media.
The Librarian
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What, I need to make a list?
1. Taxes – the latest example of this is the debt ceiling. Republicans never once entertained the idea of tax increases (well, aside from Boehner, but was held back by his very conservative caucus). Reagan raised taxes seven out of the eight years he was in office – and even during a recession! Not to mention Eisenhower, while under his presidency, the top tax rate was upwards of 90%.
2. Health care. This one is pretty obvious. The history of health care is one of Democrats moving to the right in order to pick up Republican votes, but then can't when Republicans move even further to the right. Now Republicans have basically adopted a libertarian-light stance on health care. They don't have a national plan for health care that achieves what ACA can do, aside from some stuff about malpractice reform. ACA is essentially the Republicans' answer to what Clinton was proposing in 1993/4. When it came up for a vote, they all opposed it.
3. Climate change. Cap and trade was a Republican idea. As recently as 2008, John McCain had a cap and trade proposal. When one came up in the Senate, it got voted down with no Republican support (and no support in the House might I add). Now half of Republicans don't believe anything is wrong, and the other half are unwilling to do anything because of a primary challenge. "Call me foolish, but I trust science..." -- Jon Huntsman. Groundbreaking!
4. Immigration. The most notable of this is the Dream Act. Used to have bipartisan support, but it didn't get a single Republican vote in the Senate when it came up for a vote. Perry saw his support drop when voters learned that he supported something similar to the Dream Act for Texas.
I'm sure there are a crapton of other stuff, but that's all I can come up with for now.
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
Wrong...
Almost nobody but the delusional believe that even Romney will give Obama too much trouble. It is almost a forgone conclusion that Obama is winning in pretty big fashion.
Invisible_Insane
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I resent the implication that I don't think Mitt Romney is a nutjob.
A27_StarWolf
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I still disagree.
Obama winning is more dependent on the state of the economy, Eurozone, Iran, etc.
Joe Shlabotnik
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Not sure if sarcastic (I think my sarcasm meter may be broken on this entire page, actually), but strictly by the numbers, right now, it would be a close race between Romney and Obama. I mean he's unquestionably the GOP candidate with the best chance to win by a country mile. (Obama 50 / Romney 48 according to Gallup right now)
I think an Obama blowout is possible if the economy and unemployment continue to pick up a real head of steam over the course of the year, and just in general, if I were to place a bet now, it would be on an Obama re-election. But it's hardly delusional to think that Romney would still give Obama the toughest run for his money.
A27_StarWolf
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Rick Santorum is a nut job.
Mitt Romney is not a nut job. He knows exactly what he is doing.
Invisible_Insane
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Sociopathy is a kind of nut-jobbery, no?
A27_StarWolf
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He isn't a sociopath. He is just a very calculated business man.
ReBurn
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I think Obama will win, but I think he's going to have a harder time of it than people around here want to admit. I think that with either Newt or Romney the election is going to be close.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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You're too kind.
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
speculawyer
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C'mon. I can see throwing a brick through your own window but killing your own cat and having your kids discover it?
"Corporations are people too, my friend"
So much a sociopath that the only friends he has are corporations - then he hacks them to bits.
A27_StarWolf
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The guy has run a brilliant campaign up until his loss in South Carolina. I think to argue that he is crazy is, well, crazy itself. He is a very successful business man who wants to be president and give tax breaks to the rich. He has carefully altered his political ideology to fit the circumstance to an extent. That isn't crazy, that's a typical politician/businessman
If you think that is crazy, than you don't know what crazy is.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Wrong.
1. I don't think Paul is a nutjob, either--just has some weird ideals. Also, I think Gingrich wins.
2. I think Gingrich vs. Obama will be closer than people realize and it scares me because, yes, I think Gingrich is a nutjob.
3. Right now, I'd probably vote for Obama compared to the rest. I could see a small chance I voted for Romney, a slightly larger chance I'd vote for Paul, and absolutely NO WAY I'd vote for Gingrich.
Invisible_Insane
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The last sentence there is particularly compelling. I don't legitimately mean to propose that Mitt Romney suffers from a psychotic disorder, but the idea that you would run away screaming from legislation that has the potential to save hundreds of thousands of lives to merely be President is pretty morally reprehensible.
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
I just dont understand why republicans are not for universal health care when they used to be for individual mandates, have expanded medicare by the billions and have no plan to otherwise provide for anything outside of military contractor's lined pockets.
A27_StarWolf
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I don't think they are going to come around to the idea until Europe gets its shit together.
So who's situation is worse off right now? Europe's or the United States?
speculawyer
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Yeah, it is not like he is psychotic. But there is no way I could do what Romney did at Bain. I just don't have the stomach for closing down factories, firing people, then offering them jobs back at lower wages with no benefits. You need a certain lack of empathy to do that work. The kind of guy who puts his dog on his car's roof. I just couldn't roll like that.
ReBurn
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If not universal healthcare then at least a public option. Insurance company lobbying money must be too important to them right now.
BotoxAgent
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what the fuck!?
What was so brilliant about his campaign? The more he talks the less people like him.
Black Republican
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oh Romney
dave is ok
aztek is ok
Here's a chart of the most recent polling of Romney and Gingrich over the past couple months:
speculawyer
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Perhaps they were never really 'for' individual mandates . . . they just saw it as a better option than the Clinton healthcare plan.
I don't understand why they don't support it more on a business/economic basis . . . the USA is often viewed as uncompetitive compared to other countries because the amount of money you have to spend per employee on healthcare is too high compared to Canada, Japan, Germany, etc.
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