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[GhaleonEB]

Rand Paul turned away by TSA for refusing pay down:
http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/23/politics/rand-paul-tsa/index.html?c=politics

Fundamentally, good for him, TSA is security theater at its worst. But it's hard to pass up the potential lulz in this

Yeah, the contrast is hilarious and sad. I liked this Atrios tweet about it, which is even more blunt:

shorter rand paul: keep the government off dude junk, keep it in lady junk​

 

[GhaleonEB]

Curious what you guys think of the deal Warren and Brown came to in MA regarding 3rd party ads.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...finance-truce/2012/01/23/gIQAYQRVLQ_blog.html

The deal wasn’t easy to hammer out, because campaigns don’t have any power to restrict third-party-group spending. But the arrangement deals with this problem in an artful way:

Under the terms of the deal, each campaign would agree to donate half the cost of any third-party ad to charity if that ad either supports their candidacy or attacks their opponent by name.​

Warren first floated the idea of an enforceable truce; Brown laid out the terms of the deal last week; Warren responded this morning that she wanted a few final changes, such as tightening up a few loopholes that third party groups might exploit; Brown quickly agreed.

Obviously it would seem borderline impossible to get a group like the Rove-founded Crossroads GPS to refrain from running ads in the state. The group has already invested hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars in multiple spots that were not only dishonest, but actually contradicted each other in a comically hapless way. The beauty of this arrangement is that if Crossroads runs more ads in the state, Brown’s campaign will, in theory at least, be penalized for it.

Pretty innovative. Will be interesting to see how they honor it; I expect loopholes and finger pointing to break out quickly. But I applaud the sentiment.

Edit: dammit, DP. Didn't relize I was the last post. :\

 

[I H8 Memes]

Curious what you guys think of the deal Warren and Brown came to in MA regarding 3rd party ads.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...finance-truce/2012/01/23/gIQAYQRVLQ_blog.html


Pretty innovative. Will be interesting to see how they honor it; I expect loopholes and finger pointing to break out quickly. But I applaud the sentiment.

Edit: dammit, DP. Didn't relize I was the last post. :\

I hope one of the loopholes they patched will prevent a 3rd party from running ads to bankrupt the candidate they oppose.

 

[The Librarian]

Curious what you guys think of the deal Warren and Brown came to in MA regarding 3rd party ads.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...finance-truce/2012/01/23/gIQAYQRVLQ_blog.html


Pretty innovative. Will be interesting to see how they honor it; I expect loopholes and finger pointing to break out quickly. But I applaud the sentiment.

Edit: dammit, DP. Didn't relize I was the last post. :\

Brown wouldn't have done this without the push by Warren. He wants to get re-elected, and he would've been happy to flood the state with as much ads for him and against her as possible, but it would've made him look bad to refuse the deal.

 

[Tamanon]

Brown wouldn't have done this without the push by Warren. He wants to get re-elected, and he would've been happy to flood the state with as much ads for him and against her as possible, but it would've made him look bad to refuse the deal.

I don't buy that, Brown actually seems like a traditional Northeast Republican.

 

[AlteredBeast]

Brown wouldn't have done this without the push by Warren. He wants to get re-elected, and he would've been happy to flood the state with as much ads for him and against her as possible, but it would've made him look bad to refuse the deal.

Sounds, at least from the Ghaleon run down, that he was just as eager. Guess Brown is always the badguy and Warren is, as (I believe) you said before, a forgone conclusion for the Dem nomination in 2016.

youth...youth...youth...

 

[marathonfool]

Gay marriage bill about to pass in Washington state.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ht...017313164_senate_has_votes_needed_to_pas.html

Sen. Mary Margaret Haugen, D-Camano Island, said she supports gay marriage legislation in the Senate -- giving proponents the 25 votes needed for passage.

The state House already has enough lawmakers in support of the measure to approve it. Gov. Chris Gregoire backs the bill, as well.

Haugen issued announced her support immediately after a two-hour legislative hearing in Olympia about the bill.

 

[Jason's Ultimatum]

I see Obama winning Ohio, maybe FL if Gingrich or Romney is the nom.

 

[AlteredBeast]

I see Obama winning Ohio, maybe FL if Gingrich or Romney is the nom.

Who else would magically appear to get the nom in FL? Santorum? Paul?
Some other random dude?

 

[Jason's Ultimatum]

I'm not sure you get what I was saying. Either that, or you just don't make any sense.

 

[Cyan]

Gay marriage bill about to pass in Washington state.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ht...017313164_senate_has_votes_needed_to_pas.html

Dominoes.

 

[Byakuya769]

Who else would magically appear to get the nom in FL? Santorum? Paul?
Some other random dude?

I think there was an implied emphasis on the "or."

 

[AlteredBeast]

You are saying that if Romney or Gingrich win the nomination for the GOP, Obama might win Florida. Who else is going to win the nomination? It is between these two without a doubt.

 

[Learn2read]

Yeah, the contrast is hilarious and sad. I liked this Atrios tweet about it, which is even more blunt:

shorter rand paul: keep the government off dude junk, keep it in lady junk​

heh, just posted this in the other thread

 

[AlteredBeast]

heh, just posted this in the other thread

meh. The debate about abortion isn't that simple, it is about the government keeping their hands off of fetus' and babies' junk.

 

[Puddles]

Unfortunately there are all too few "non-biased" posters. Basically, anytime someone says they are fair-minded but lean one way or the other, they are in reality either a foaming at the mouth black-armband wearer or heartless/racist/sexist capitalist.

My political positions are all based on carefully-considered logic.

 

[AlteredBeast]

My political positions are all based on carefully-considered logic.

Definitely not talking about you, speculawer, Invisible_Insane (for the most part), Byakuya, Tamanon, ToxicAdam, PD, cyan, Salvador.Hardin or a few others...

 

[Kusagari]

You are saying that if Romney or Gingrich win the nomination for the GOP, Obama might win Florida. Who else is going to win the nomination? It is between these two without a doubt.

Jeb Bush will get the nomination at the convention and win Florida easily.

 

[PhoenixDark]

Gay marriage bill about to pass in Washington state.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ht...017313164_senate_has_votes_needed_to_pas.html

RIP heterosexual marriage

 

[Byakuya769]

Unfortunately there are all too few "non-biased" posters. Basically, anytime someone says they are fair-minded but lean one way or the other, they are in reality either a foaming at the mouth black-armband wearer or heartless/racist/sexist capitalist.

(missed this earlier)

I'm not saying that. I just think people should drop the pretense and stop coming into the thread talking down to the participants mainly because they disagree with their political persuasions. Debate the ideas in good-faith, instead of pretending to be some arbiter of scientific truth.

meh. The debate about abortion isn't that simple, it is about the government keeping their hands off of fetus' and babies' junk.

I agree with this. Both sides of the debate are working from vastly different assumptions of where/how a human life begins. It is a complicated issue.

 

[Jason's Ultimatum]

I think there was an implied emphasis on the "or."

This man gets it.

 

[Learn2read]

meh. The debate about abortion isn't that simple, it is about the government keeping their hands off of fetus' and babies' junk.

I for one look forward to the creation of the Department of Utero Security

 

[Invisible_Insane]

Definitely not talking about you, speculawer, Invisible_Insane (for the most part), Byakuya, Tamanon, ToxicAdam, or a few others...

What the hell is this?!

 

[Cyan]

My political positions are all based on carefully-considered logic.

Not mine! Alternating rage and terror ftw!

 

[Hop]

You are saying that if Romney or Gingrich win the nomination for the GOP, Obama might win Florida. Who else is going to win the nomination? It is between these two without a doubt.

What Jason meant was, he may win Florida no matter which one gets the nom. If Gingrich or Romney gets it, either way, he has the same chance.

 

[AlteredBeast]

Jeb Bush will get the nomination at the convention and win Florida easily.

I know you were just kidding, but I honestly think that the country will never again allow a Bush to president. Unless the Republican party again champions sanity and justice for all, Bush's name will always be saddled with shame, suspect, and incompetence.

 

[Evlar]

What Jason meant was, he may win Florida no matter which one gets the nom. If Gingrich or Romney gets it, either way, he has the same chance.

I think that's a simplification. Florida is a complex state politically; while Obama has a shot of winning the state against either candidate the mechanisms by which this would occur would be different with either Romney or Gingrich.

 

[Kusagari]

I know you were just kidding, but I honestly think that the country will never again allow a Bush to president. Unless the Republican party again champions sanity and justice for all, Bush's name will always be saddled with shame, suspect, and incompetence.

Obviously I was kidding, but Jeb, even if he did lose every other state, probably would win Florida in a landslide. This state still worships the guy.

 

[Duane Cunningham]

I think the GOP base would nominate W in a heartbeat right about now, if they could.

 

[AlteredBeast]

should have used "whether" instead of "if" then!!! How can I be expected to know what you were meaning when the or was ambiguous!!

 

[cartoon_soldier]

Curious what you guys think of the deal Warren and Brown came to in MA regarding 3rd party ads.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...finance-truce/2012/01/23/gIQAYQRVLQ_blog.html


Pretty innovative. Will be interesting to see how they honor it; I expect loopholes and finger pointing to break out quickly. But I applaud the sentiment.

Edit: dammit, DP. Didn't relize I was the last post. :\

Karl Rolve's Super PAC has already said they don't agree with the deal. So, that's that then.

 

[Cyan]

I think the GOP base would nominate W in a heartbeat right about now, if they could.

Didn't seem too keen on Perry.

 

[Byakuya769]

I think the GOP base would nominate W in a heartbeat right about now, if they could.

"Compassionate Conservatism" would not have been popular this go around.

 

[The Librarian]

I just want to say that I was going to come back and post that I was a tad bit harsh on Brown. I do have to give him credit for agreeing to this. Anyway...

I don't buy that, Brown actually seems like a traditional Northeast Republican.

How so? It was Warren who offered the deal initially. I was just trying to say that I don't think Brown would've made this deal on his own. I do have to give him some credit for voting for Dodd-Frank, even though he intentionally made it weaker. And voting to repeal DADT, I think he also voted for the 9/11 heath care bill too. But he voted against a Jobs act with a highly popular way of paying for it, and same goes with the payroll tax! Not to mention his push for Richard Cordray is a direct response to Warren.

What does being a Northeastern Republican entail?

Sounds, at least from the Ghaleon run down, that he was just as eager. Guess Brown is always the badguy and Warren is, as (I believe) you said before, a forgone conclusion for the Dem nomination in 2016.

youth...youth...youth...

What are you talking about? Youth? What? What connections are you making between this and Warren for 2016? What does that have to do a possible, outside chance of her running for the nomination? I don't get it.

 

[AlteredBeast]

"Compassionate Conservatism" would not have been popular this go around.

LOL. Not by a longshot. Nothing compassionate about 99% of what makes up what the Tea Party demands and what the candidates must shill for.

 

[Jason's Ultimatum]

I think that's a simplification. Florida is a complex state politically; while Obama has a shot of winning the state against either candidate the mechanisms by which this would occur would be different with either Romney or Gingrich.

Don't forget Rick Scott. I'm curious if he'll campaign for whoever is the nominee. Guy is like a disease.

 

[speculawyer]

Gay marriage bill about to pass in Washington state.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ht...017313164_senate_has_votes_needed_to_pas.html

Gay marriage now has the argument that melts any Republican's heart . . . it is good for business and not allowing it makes us uncompetitive.

 

[Kusagari]

Didn't seem too keen on Perry.

Perry made Bush seem like Albert Einstein.

 

[speculawyer]

I know you were just kidding, but I honestly think that the country will never again allow a Bush to president. Unless the Republican party again champions sanity and justice for all, Bush's name will always be saddled with shame, suspect, and incompetence.

Which is kinda sad for Jeb since he seems to be the far more competent one.

 

[Stinkles]

Which is kinda sad for Jeb since he seems to be the far more competent one.

And Curly is the most competent Stooge.

 

[ToxicAdam]

How so? It was Warren who offered the deal initially. I was just trying to say that I don't think Brown would've made this deal on his own and. I do have to give him some credit for voting for Dodd-Frank, even though he intentionally made it weaker. And voting to repeal DADT, I think he also voted for the 9/11 heath care bill too. But he voted against a Jobs act with a highly popular way of paying for it... Not to mention his push for Richard Cordray is a direct response to Warren.

What does being a Northeastern Republican entail?

.

I think you answered your own question.

Typical NE Republican = Bush Sr.

 

[Tamanon]

Jeb was the best of the remaining Bushes, really seemed to be a more modern HW.

Shame W cut in line and ruined the whole thing.

 

[AlteredBeast]

Which is kinda sad for Jeb since he seems to be the far more competent one.

more competent wouldn't work. Not for a LONGGGGGG time. The name is soiled.

 

[Cyan]

Perry made Bush seem like Albert Einstein.

There are three ways Perry's worse than Bush. One, he's dumber. Two, he's crazier. And three... uh. What's the third one?

Oops.

 

[The Librarian]

I think you answered your own question.

Typical NE Republican = Bush Sr.

At least Bush Sr. agreed to increase taxes at one point. :/

 

[Byakuya769]

There are three ways Perry's worse than Bush. One, he's dumber. Two, he's crazier. And three... uh. What's the third one?

Oops.

Haha, I must admit not getting where you were going until the ellipse. Nice.

 

[Something Wicked]

How so? It was Warren who offered the deal initially.

You're lying. It was Scott Brown who made the initial offer.

Also, the attack ads have been mainly coming from pro-Warren environmental groups (starting as early as last summer/fall).

 

[gutter_trash]

if Newt gets the nomination, i see him have bigger difficulties in the North than if it would be Romney.

Romney could cap Michigan, Ohio and NH away from Obama and really give Obama a hard time.

Newt in the other hand is just South guy who wins Southern votes and has no chance in the North IMO

 

[AlteredBeast]

You're lying. It was Scott Brown who made the initial offer.

Also, the attack ads have been mainly coming from pro-Warren environmental groups (starting as early as last summer/fall).

How could such a thing be possible? Isn't Scott Brown a republican????!?

 

[ToxicAdam]

if Newt gets the nomination, i see him have bigger difficulties in the North than if it would be Romney.

Romney could cap Michigan, Ohio and NH away from Obama and really give Obama a hard time.

Newt in the other hand is just South guy who wins Southern votes and has no chance in the North IMO

I agree with your overall sentiment, except that I think Obama has Michigan on lockdown. Hometown status or not, there is no way Romney's message/history plays well in Michigan right now.