And I wonder just how many jobs that tax cut would give America...
US PoliGAF 2012 | The Romney VeepStakes: Waiting for Chris Christie to Sing
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And I wonder just how many jobs that tax cut would give America...
jamesinclair
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Watching the debate now. I've decided i'm a single issue voter...and why not? The gop has proven they will declare war on everything that moves. Rp for supreme ruler
But the capital gains tax is 15%.
Perfect. I can understand why Romney didn't want to release this stuff. Its like a self made democratic attack ad.
Amazing what you can do with a tax code hopelessly warped to suit the people who crafted it.
jamesinclair
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"everything changes if Iran gets a nuke" yeah, just like north Korea getting one, shit got real, oh wait what?
speculawyer
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Hey everyone . . . vote for the zillionaire guy that fired your brother in-law and pays a lower tax rate than you do. He feels your pain . . . "Who the let dogs out?"
That is a tough sell.
He's middle class though and worries about getting laid off.
Also he ran for office 25 times and won 6, but is not a career politician.
He understands their pain, he's unemployed!
Ether_Snake
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Don't you guys think it would make perfect sense for all congressman and senator tax forms to be released after two years?
I think it would be more appropriate to show detailed accounts of their investments since they are legally free to participate in insider trading, whereas you are not.
ClovingWestbrook
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Iran isn't even dangerous apart from their claim to blocking the straight of Hormuz. There's not really an opportunity for them to cause havoc in Iraq for us any longer since the vast majority of our troops are coming home. Iran is already more friendly with Iraq than anytime before we arrived. Iran isn't going to nuke Israel. The ONLY problem with Iran getting a nuke is it would destablize the region, pushing other countries to also go for a nuke.
Iran ISN'T a threat to Israel no matter how many blowhards want to claim they are. Why? Because Iran may be able to get one nuke in the air towards Israel but in return there'd be several hundred coming back. Contrary to what many folks claim Iran is run by politicians who are all about survival. By ratcheting up language and possibly bombing Iran, the Israel government is a bigger threat to the region than the Iranian government is currently. Why do you think the U.S. is so concerned about Israel bombing Iran? Because it would set off a domino effect the likes of which we simply cannot prepare for.
Santorum is psychotic and one of the most dangerous individuals currently with his zealotry regarding Iran. The fact that you agree with him is disheartening and scary.
cartoon_soldier
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PPP's 1st Florida Poll
Will be interesting to see today's debate consequences.
Will be interesting to see today's debate consequences.
speculawyer
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Someone needs to tell Santorum that he needs to drop out or space jesus gets to be president.
speculawyer
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Yep. This. Israel even has a nuke armed sub so if Iran struck first, they'd still get nailed.
Iran is blow-hard nation. Being anti-USA and anti-Israel gets Iranian politicians votes just like being anti-Iran gets votes here. And better yet, every time Iran acts all belligerent, the price of oil goes up so that Iran collect billions more on the oil they sell. So people need to learn to largely ignore Iran's pathetic posturing.
TestOfTide
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well, republicans did nominate bob dole the last time they tried to 1 term a democrat president.
Oh wait, i think Mitt Romney's record on getting votes might be worse than Dole's (so far).
Something Wicked
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Are you serious? Iran hasn't been supplying Hezbollah and Hamas with rockets and arms?
What range and size of rockets will the IRG give to its proxies if it's backed by an emboldened nuclear regime? And the politicians of Iran are not what Israeli, US, and European military officials are worried about. It's splinter, radical groups of the IRG/Quds forces. The rhetoric and propaganda of the Iranian politicians have created something far more evil, which such politicians or even the Supreme Nacho would not have much control over. Things are more complex than the "unconditional pacifists" want to believe.
speculawyer
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I miss Norm McDonald's Bob Dole impression.
From what I've heard there were very little fireworks tonight (at least in comparison to the last two debates). I know I ask this every time, but were the moderators half way competent? That'll give me the only reason to bother watching this crap when I get home.
A27_StarWolf
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How about Iran supplying enemy combatants in Iran with guns, bullets, and rpg's to kill our troops?
Would you doubt that Iran is supplying the Syrian Military to kill civilians protesting? I bet my bottom dollar they are.
Want to play some war games? Iran launches missiles or a strike against the majority of Saudi oil fields. Oil is directly effected and numerous countries are forced to take action.
Once again "its okay if most of Israel is eradicated by a nuke, we fired a nuke back!" How is this logic anymore sane than anything Santorum says? Nukes man...
I think it was discussed a couple days ago, but religion and government aren't supposed to go together, The middle east is a testament to this.
Al-ibn Kermit
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Why? What would they gain from doing that? Do you really think Iran is going to declare war on a US ally?
A27_StarWolf
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They are already giving guns to people to kill our troops, and troops in Israel.
It's not a logical move to declare war on Israel, but radical religious regimes are not exactly logical.
Says who?
speculawyer
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speculawyer
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That is why it isn't good to vote for the GOP.
Al-ibn Kermit
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How do you go from providing arms to proxies to going on a nuclear suicide mission?
marathonfool
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Am I the only one who is shocked how polls move week to week? These guys have been visible for years. How does a person get so swayed so easily week to week?
I don't understand how folks can function. A good chunk of the electorate must be only voting with their emotions.
I don't understand how folks can function. A good chunk of the electorate must be only voting with their emotions.
ClovingWestbrook
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Bingo.
A27_StarWolf
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It's unstable, and mankind is easily blinded by power and hate. Iran could easily do something stupid to spark conflict.
I can't imagine how this region is going to survive, if Egypt government goes south things could get really ugly. I mean the Arab League is a joke, just look at Syria. They could easily turn on CNN and see whats going on, but no they sent in observers, and more observers, and are dragging their heels. When they finally decide to do something, chances are they won't act on it or stop them at all.
The later is an if Iran gets a Nuclear Weapon scenario. Besides, chances are they would find a way to sneak it into the country, they wouldn't launch it.
The point is they aren't stable, they are violent, indirectly kill United States soldiers.
Not to mention it's logical to point out that if Iran gets nuclear weapons, other areas and countries around them will build, or get more nuclear weapons themselves out of fear, escalating things in the region.
Also none of this "mutually assured destruction". How is that a valid argument? That is some scary stuff.
ProfessorLobo
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That reminds me of the teacher's strike on the Simpsons.
"Ah, the taxes. The finger thing means the taxes."
Aaron Strife
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That poll is from like. December. I don't know why it's getting thrown around so much now. It's literally the only poll in the past two months to show Obama leading Gingrich by less than five points.
Plus Gallup's head-to-heads are really weird and fluctuate a lot. They were the only pollster in 2008 to show Obama and McCain both leading by double digits at various points.
I paid a higher rate than that, and every couple days Romney makes more than I do in a year.
Let's see. Romney...
Earns more than the annual US median household adjusted gross income every day.
Paid a 13.9% federal tax rate.
Is proposing a tax plan that would cut his own taxes in half.
The general election ads write themselves. So long as we don't have a 2008-style economic meltdown, stick a fork in the guy. Obama just needs to pound those last two points all year, and run a few choice clips from the debates. Good grief.
How funny, that's about what I paid.
A27_StarWolf
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You could be the Not Mitt Romney!?
Oh I'm guessing I paid at least double in effective tax rate last year than Romney.
This quote is also rich. Rich full of creamy horseshit:
Ass.
This is what baffles me about tea party clowns. They cannot see that the rich don't get rich in a vacuum, they get rich in a society they then abuse and refuse to pay for.*
*the ones most vociferously fighting against taxes.
Second part is not entirely accurate. He would pay half of the rate he otherwise might IF the bush tax cuts expire and the Medicare tax stuff in ACA kicks in.
I am not saying his tax plan does not see him paying less, but that sentence reads as if his tax plan would drop him down to 6.95% in 2013.
But Romney wants both of those conditions to be true, so whether they are in his plan or not is moot, that's the jist of his desired outcome. I wonder if these radical tax cut promises would evaporate when they got into really serious fiscal trouble, a la Bush 1, or if they would actually just go ahead and cut taxes and bankrupt the country.
I understand and completely agree. But when the sentence is read it gives the impression he would slash rates beyond that baseline (like Gingrich).
Also. I am not convinced Obama will let the bush rates expire unfortunately.
EDIT sorry for double post
Edit 2: can't wait for inevitable Krugman blog on Mitt's return >
it should be deliciousjamesinclair
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He said in todays debate that he would pay 0% under most republican proposals.
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