Watching a homophobe kill his career on facebook

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The first paragraph in the Facebook post seems oddly tolerant.

I don't know why this is thread-worthy.

I also don't know why everyone's Facebook info is blocked except for the Christian's.
 
Dosia said:
Infertile people are wrong. The human body is designed to reproduce, and if one isnt capable of that I would consider that a flaw.

Honestly I have no idea what makes people homosexual. I could very well be wrong and I have no problem admitting that. If you look at it from when our species first began, if the men were not attracted to women and vice versa we would not be here today. There certainly is a reason why we have two sets of gentalia.

I guess this is just a difference of opinions. No matter what I say can be picked apart, and I can disagree with what you say and pick it apart. Perhaps wrong was poor word choice.
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Infertile people are...wrong? The fuck?
 
Shurs said:
The first paragraph in the Facebook post seems oddly tolerant.

I don't know why this is thread-worthy.

I also don't know why everyone's Facebook info is blocked except for the Christian's.
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OP advertising the shitty film school he goes to.
 
I can't stand those people that won't even accept hearing opposing opinions. He's acting like a fucking 4 year old.
 
Threi said:
Who? I'm curious how anyone could agree with such bigoted views.

If there are such people here on GAF i believe they should absolutely be named.
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I explained how in the post I just made. Could the many reactions of shock really be from a fundamental ignorance of this dynamic in the Christian worldview? Hmmmm...

And just to be clear, I do consider this to be entirely beside the point of the shadow of hypocrisy cast by selectivity in focusing on these things. I'm simply speaking about the Christian worldview in itself and how many Christians will check their worldview and say "I agree with him" because, essentially, they hate all of sinful humanity including themselves, which is also why they don't consider themselves bigots.
 
Dice said:
I explained how in the post I just made. Could the many reactions of shock really be from a fundamental ignorance of this dynamic in the Christian worldview? Hmmmm...

And just to be clear, I do consider this to be entirely beside the point of the shadow of hypocrisy cast by selectivity in focusing on these things. I'm simply speaking about the Christian worldview in itself and how many Christians will check their worldview and say "I agree with him" because, essentially, they hate all of sinful humanity including themselves, which is also why they don't consider themselves bigots.
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They hate all of sinful humanity? Huh?
 
I think public shaming will occur until we all share the same views on social issues are people are too afraid to speak publicly about them.

Regardless of his views he should have known better than to go mouthing off like that on facebook.
 
I don't think what he is saying in the FB post that "it is a sin" etc is that uncommon. He's not advocating shit like killing gay people or blowing up abortion clinic. That said, its on his FB. and yes, you don't post shit about work or anything that will greatly offend.

I do think that the 'comments' down below seem way worse?

I think its kind of disgusting though that the FB person is using views expressed privately to destroy someone's career.


btw the childish post + avatar (on FB?); I think that said a lot about that.
 
Pachterballs said:
I don't think what he is saying in the FB post that "it is a sin" etc is that uncommon. He's not advocating shit like killing gay people or blowing up abortion clinic. That said, its on his FB. and yes, you don't post shit about work or anything that will greatly offend.

I do think that the 'comments' down below seem way worse?

I think its kind of disgusting though that the FB person is using views expressed privately to destroy someone's career.


btw the childish post + avatar (on FB?); I think that said a lot about that.
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Is Facebook really 'private' though? This isn't the first nor the last time something posted on Facebook will come back to bite someone in the ass.
 
Mr_Zombie said:
My problem with this is that some people try to excusing their hate to other people (in this case: gays) by selectively using the religion. Sure, according to Christianity homosexuality is a sin. But you know what? So is promiscuity, yet you do not see people publicly condemning, well, majority of the world's population in the age 16+ for having casual sex with many partners.

If the guy was sinless, crystal clear, then sure, he can write stuff like that. But he isn't. He is a no lesser sinner than any gay that is living on the planet therefore he is also wrong.
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Its also against Christianity to charge interest, but that is done all the time. Do you see thousands of people writing up facebook posts saying "what the bankers do is wrong and against god, but god bless you"?

For homosexuality, "hate the sin, love the sinner" is very much bullshit. Being gay isn't like being an alcoholic. How would you like if you're told "I hate everything about you, especially the things that as a fundamental role in defining who you are and how you represent yourself in society, but god loves you!" It comes out like pandering and like a weak defense for bigotry.
 
Dice said:
I explained how in the post I just made. Could the many reactions of shock really be from a fundamental ignorance of this dynamic in the Christian worldview? Hmmmm...

And just to be clear, I do consider this to be entirely beside the point of the shadow of hypocrisy cast by selectivity in focusing on these things. I'm simply speaking about the Christian worldview in itself and how many Christians will check their worldview and say "I agree with him" because, essentially, they hate all of sinful humanity including themselves, which is also why they don't consider themselves bigots.
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That is a nice deconstruction on the flaws of the fundamentalist christian worldview, sure, but that didn't exactly provide any examples. I'm wondering if there are any known (or not-so-known) GAFfers that explicitly share the same type of viewpoint as the person highlighted in the OP.

Shurs said:
Let's make a list or tag them with a scarlet B.
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I just feel that going as far as to call someone bigoted is a pretty big accusation, and shouldn't be thrown around willy-nilly like saying "xxx are sonyfans because they have nathan drake as their avatar!"
 
you can make facebook private. And you shouldn't add coworkers or anyone who will turn around and use what is clearly meant to be private against you.

you can google and find the guy on FB. I just did and he has a pic on his timelined profile.
 
Alucrid said:
They hate all of sinful humanity? Huh?
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Yes. The Christian worldview is that all flesh is corrupted by sin, and all people die because of it. They literally hate themselves insofar as the flesh is concerned, and try to only accept the personal identity of the spirit which has been cleansed of sin by the work of Christ. They believe that not only do all die because of this sin, but that when Christ returns, every unfaithful person will be slain by him directly. For those who believe, their "old self" will die, and their new self will be resurrected in the likeness of Christ, and they will have perfect bodies that do not perish and have no sin. This whole process is explained in Revelations 19-22 and a few other places in the New Testament.

Christianity 101.
 
Christianity takes sin as sin. No sin is greater than the other in God's eyes. As a Christian myself, I see no point in arguing what is or isn't a sin cause in the end, only God passes judgment.
 
Pachterballs said:
you can make facebook private. And you shouldn't add coworkers or anyone who will turn around and use what is clearly meant to be private against you.

you can google and find the guy on FB. I just did and he has a pic on his timelined profile.
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If you don't take adequate measures to protect yourself or give yourself a filter so you don't post stupid updates, that's his fault.


Emwitus said:
Christianity takes sin as sin. No sin is greater than the other in God's eyes. As Christian myself, I see no point in arguing what is or isn't cause in the end, only God passes judgment.
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Why we got venial and mortal sins?


Dice said:
Yes. The Christian worldview is that all flesh is corrupted by sin, and all people die because of it. They literally hate themselves insofar as the flesh is concerned, and try to only accept the personal identity of the spirit which has been cleansed of sin by the work of Christ. They believe that not only do all die because of this sin, but that when Christ returns, every unfaithful person will be slain by him directly. For those who believe, their "old self" will die, and their new self will be resurrected in the likeness of Christ, and they will have perfect bodies that do not perish and have no sin. This whole process is explained in Revelations 19-22 and a few other places in the New Testament.

Christianity 101.
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I grew up Catholic and never got the whole 'self hate' thing out of it...
 
Raiden said:
Read his full post. I dont agree with him, but he said perhaps "wrong" is a poor choice of word.
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I think he meant to say defective, as in not functioning in accordance with evolutionary/reproductive goals, but that opens a whole another can of worms. Particularly if you don't believe in evolution.
 
I find this thread personally interesting because I myself used to be very Christian. I was a fucking angel.

After a while, education, and beginning to form my own opinions on what is moral or not, has changed that.

I also used to have the same auto-belief that he did: 'love the sinner, but condemn the sin'. He still managed to word it quite offensively though but in a way that's still more appropriate than the outright abusive posts that are shown in those images. I am more disappointed with how they handled his opinion, as offensive and hurtful as it was. But anyways, concerning his statement, I never liked the concept of absolutely no exceptions or explanations. The fact that he pretty much told everyone that their opinions will simply be deleted instead of allowing his mind to be open for different viewpoints that might benefit him was a big nono!

Anyways, going back to religion again, I reflect back on it and can't tell if it benefited me into becoming who I am today, being incredibly giving and spreading good vibes and helping others (Haha I should be doing this anyways yes?), and experiencing many beautiful and hopeful things, or is what has caused me to act out, feel depressed, terrified, conflicted, insecure and confused. It's an amazing moment when you realize something you legitimately believed (I grew up with religion since childhood), is slowly revealing itself to be otherwise. It was depressing, humbling, and scary.
It's a constant mindfuck for me honestly, I think religion can truly fuck with a person. :/ I am afraid I will always be making a huge mistake. Perhaps I am weak minded, but regardless I am so fascinated by what the true reality of our personal destiny might be and science has really opened my mind to how many more amazing realities are out there.

Sorry if too much of this post is off topic or about me, I was thinking it might create some interesting discussion that I can learn a lot from.
 
Monocle said:
Excellent post.
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I do not agree. To make people understand both parties have to listen. His post essentially boils down to: if you think homosexuality is in any way 'wrong', then you are ignorant. There are plenty of people who know and accept homosexuals but still think it's a wrong sexuality to have (or to commit?). If both sides argue the other side is ignorant (just like the Facebook guy), it goes nowhere.

I'm also saying that Kaijima used way too many words and paragraphs for saying the same thing over and over again.
 
Rocket Punch said:
Personally, I find his "film production company" just as offensive.

Maelstrom Productions
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Oh my god. :|

Not surprised though. Someone like that would make something like this. Immature and insecure as fuck.

Kimmay! said:
I find this thread personally interesting because I myself used to be very Christian. I was a fucking angel.

After a while, education, and beginning to form my own opinions on what is moral or not, has changed that.

I also used to have the same auto-belief that he did: 'love the sinner, but condemn the sin'. He still managed to word it quite offensively though but in a way that's still more appropriate than the outright abusive posts that are shown in those images. I am more disappointed with how they handled his opinion, as offensive and hurtful as it was. But anyways, concerning his statement, I never liked the concept of absolutely no exceptions or explanations. The fact that he pretty much told everyone that their opinions will simply be deleted instead of allowing his mind to be open for different viewpoints that might benefit him was a big nono!

Anyways, going back to religion again, I reflect back on it and can't tell if it benefited me into becoming who I am today, being incredibly giving and spreading good vibes and helping others (Haha I should be doing this anyways yes?), and experiencing many beautiful and hopeful things, or is what has caused me to act out, feel depressed, terrified, conflicted, insecure and confused. It's an amazing moment when you realize something you legitimately believed (I grew up with religion since childhood), is slowly revealing itself to be otherwise. It was depressing, humbling, and scary.
It's a constant mindfuck for me honestly, I think religion can truly fuck with a person. :/ I am afraid I will always be making a huge mistake. Perhaps I am weak minded, but regardless I am so fascinated by what the true reality of our personal destiny might be and science has really opened my mind to how many more amazing realities are out there.

Sorry if too much of this post is off topic or about me, I was thinking it might create some interesting discussion that I can learn a lot from.
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Yeah, losing your religion can be really awkward. You get this feeling that all these things are supposed to change. Like, all these options just opened up so they must be viable. Life must be meaningless, or something. Then you realize nothing changes much and stop caring. :lol
 
Alucrid said:
I grew up Catholic and never got the whole 'self hate' thing out of it...
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Not self as a whole (body/spirit) but hatred of sin and the sinful nature of your flesh. The new testament says to deny it, hate it, crucify it, etc. The humanist sees no distinction between a spiritual and physical self, so they would see it as self-hate, much like they see hate for homosexuality as hate for homosexuals, so that is why I explained the Christian worldview in such a way.
 
This film production company sucks. Fucking hell, everyone involved with it should just go because it's garbage.
 
Dice said:
Not self as a whole (body/spirit) but hatred of sin and the sinful nature of your flesh. The new testament says to deny it, hate it, crucify it, etc. The humanist sees no distinction between a spiritual and physical self, so they would see it as self-hate, much like they see hate for homosexuality as hate for homosexuals, so that is why I explained the Christian worldview in such a way.
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Oh. I thought we moved past the mortification of the flesh.
 
Dice said:
From what I have seen on GAF, most people here take a stance that eliminates cognitive dissonance from professions of belief and then pretends it never existed in the first place.

Like if someone makes the statement: "I have love for gay people, but I believe practicing homosexuality is wrong."

That statement only works from a perspective of there being a distinction between one's "true" self and how they think and feel and live. Christians are used to this because they have accepted a "true self" identity that is without sin or sinful desire. It's their final goal to, upon death, attain freedom from anything in conflict with that identity, so they have major problems with themselves whenever they desire something sinful. They extend this perspective to other people who in their eyes desire sinful things.

A humanist has no such view. To them, the only self is the self which physically exists. In such a case, the comparison of homosexuality to left-handedness is incredibly accurate. You can't say "I love you, I just hate left-hand dominance" because you are rejecting the very nature of that person. You cannot reject the nature without also rejecting the person. This is what makes it "hateful" because that rejection is what it boils down to whether you name it for the specific trait or the person as a whole.

Now, as I said, I think a lot of people on GAF tend to do all this in their head and post without explaining that. It comes off as being incredibly ignorant of the differences of worldview in play. It also ends up being confusing for many people who don't realize this intellectual process because they associate the word "hate" with extreme negative emotions for a person as a whole, which the person who makes such a statement is not demonstrating.

I am a strong advocate of putting away all these bullshit games of conveniently ignoring the nature of worldviews to push the results of adopting your own. Transparency and deconstruction of beliefs is annoyingly complicated and long as a process, but it's the only way that people are going to end up reconciling to a single conclusion. This "shun the idiot" method is only reacting with the exact same tactics that hurt homosexuals in the first place, so how can it be thought of as a higher rationality, even if the positions it stands for are correct?

Let's all grow up, please.
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Good points although I don't agree entirely with the Christian view. Not saying it's wrong, but the various types of Christians out there can negate that. For example, many Christians have no issues whatsoever with sexuality at all or if they do it is the most minor of sins.

Otherwise, the two bolded is kind of my point. There is such wide POV on the matter, the debate is never going to be reconciled. I think that when someone says their personal or religious view is that homosexuality is wrong, it is impossible to counterargue with anything other than a parallel statement and often is escalated to something worse than what's conveyed which in turn can escalate to something else- something you said better than me.

Now if the statement is gays shouldn't be allowed to marry in this country because it's a sin. There is a clear conflict that can be easily refuted and/or dismissed.
 
Soneet said:
I do not agree. To make people understand both parties have to listen. His post essentially boils down to: if you think homosexuality is in any way 'wrong', then you are ignorant. There are plenty of people who know and accept homosexuals but still think it's a wrong sexuality to have (or to commit?). If both sides argue the other side is ignorant (just like the Facebook guy), it goes nowhere.

I'm also saying that Kaijima used way too many words and paragraphs for saying the same thing over and over again.
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I like how he laid out his reasoning step by step. I also agree with the content of the post; it is, in fact, ignorant to regard homosexuality as unnatural or inherently wrong.
 
nastynate409 said:
Then it would make no sense in relation to his religious beliefs whatsoever. I really do not understand what the fuss is about this. This man I assume is a Christian. It plainly states in the Bible that Homosexuality is an abomination and a sin. Instead of lashing out at homosexuals and judging them, he acknowledges them as sinners and wishes God's love upon them. No where does he say he wouldn't befriend a homosexual, hire a homosexual, or do anything to discriminate against a homosexual. Just the simple fact that in his belief system, he believes that homosexuals are sinning against his God and that he wishes for them to know his God's love.
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One is free to speak/advertise/preach their own bigotry/prejudice, but don't complain when others also using their freedom to criticise said bigotry. If you insult someone then get ready to be insulted back. What goes around comes around.
 
Soneet said:
I do not agree. To make people understand both parties have to listen. His post essentially boils down to: if you think homosexuality is in any way 'wrong', then you are ignorant. There are plenty of people who know and accept homosexuals but still think it's a wrong sexuality to have (or to commit?). If both sides argue the other side is ignorant (just like the Facebook guy), it goes nowhere.

I'm also saying that Kaijima used way too many words and paragraphs for saying the same thing over and over again.
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In what sense is homosexuality (or homosexual acts) wrong? It is the descision of two consenting adults that does not harm the people involved or anyone else. To say it is 'wrong' would be to fundementally misunderstand actions and what could colloquially be considered 'wrong'.
 
This kind of shit is why I LOVE Openbook.

Seriously, my wife can watch Maury, Teen Mom, Jersey Shore, other trainwrecks, that's fine. For me, the real "reality show" is Openbook.
 
Alucrid said:
I grew up Catholic and never got the whole 'self hate' thing out of it...
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It's not entirely "self hate", not literally; we are not living in Middle Ages where people were mortifying the flesh, by whipping themselves because they though that flesh is the nest of the sin.

However, the point of Christianity is that we are born with the sin and we are sinning all the time; and even though we have to confess those sins and atone for them, we're practically never free from a sin. (Dunno about you, but during the confession people here very often repeats a sentence like "that are all the sins I remember; I regret all of them" because they are ashamed to speak about some sins loudly to the priest or because they do not known whether some things are considered sins.) If you think about it, according to our religion whatever we do we are not completely free from the sin; this is our scar that can only be removed by Christ on the Judgment Day.

If you're aware that you have a flaw, a serious one, that, no matter what you're doing, spoils you for your entire life to the point you can't even enjoy what's natural (like sex) - how is that not a "self hate"?

Kimmay! said:
I find this thread personally interesting because I myself used to be very Christian. I was a fucking angel.

After a while, education, and beginning to form my own opinions on what is moral or not, has changed that.
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Same here. I was even an altar boy for several years.
But then something broke up :/.
 
wwm0nkey said:
So being gay, something that does not effect you or anyone else is as worse as lying, stealing, murder and adultery?
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Gluttony is also a sin, and that only impacts the person who is a glutton. In either case, the Bible would also say that "all have sinned and come short of the glory of God". So take it as you will.
 
Replicant said:
One is free to speak/advertise/preach their own bigotry/prejudice, but don't complain when others also using their freedom to criticise said bigotry. If you insult someone then get ready to be insulted back. What goes around comes around.
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This is exactly right (Except defining sin is not bigotry). As long as people realize that this debate is simply stating seperate opinions or at worst hurling insults, then there's no issue.
 
Judging by that trailer for his company, he wasn't going to have much of a film career regardless.

Maybe he can find a new career in the clergy.
 
Kimmay! said:
I find this thread personally interesting because I myself used to be very Christian. I was a fucking angel.

After a while, education, and beginning to form my own opinions on what is moral or not, has changed that.

I also used to have the same auto-belief that he did: 'love the sinner, but condemn the sin'. He still managed to word it quite offensively though but in a way that's still more appropriate than the outright abusive posts that are shown in those images. I am more disappointed with how they handled his opinion, as offensive and hurtful as it was. But anyways, concerning his statement, I never liked the concept of absolutely no exceptions or explanations. The fact that he pretty much told everyone that their opinions will simply be deleted instead of allowing his mind to be open for different viewpoints that might benefit him was a big nono!

Anyways, going back to religion again, I reflect back on it and can't tell if it benefited me into becoming who I am today, being incredibly giving and spreading good vibes and helping others (Haha I should be doing this anyways yes?), and experiencing many beautiful and hopeful things, or is what has caused me to act out, feel depressed, terrified, conflicted, insecure and confused. It's an amazing moment when you realize something you legitimately believed (I grew up with religion since childhood), is slowly revealing itself to be otherwise. It was depressing, humbling, and scary.
It's a constant mindfuck for me honestly, I think religion can truly fuck with a person. :/ I am afraid I will always be making a huge mistake. Perhaps I am weak minded, but regardless I am so fascinated by what the true reality of our personal destiny might be and science has really opened my mind to how many more amazing realities are out there.

Sorry if too much of this post is off topic or about me, I was thinking it might create some interesting discussion that I can learn a lot from.
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I can understand where you are coming from. My viewpoints have also changed as I got older...and the distinction between interacting with people of all races, religions, sexes, sexual orientations and other things versus reading discussions about the above things on gaf helped shape how im starting to feel about it: Religion, for the most part, is a pretty petty thing to argue about, in my opinion. I don't think it matters much if you think there is one guy in the sky, 10 of em, or none.

I've come to realize that, at least for myself, tolerance towards every human being, no matter the ethnicity, age, religious belief, hair colour, wealth, physical disability, anything (by choice or not by choice) is the more important issue, and what we should really be fighting for. I don't even know if that makes me a christian anymore, don't really care. What is a label worth anyways? Just something else for people to prejudge you with?

If I have a christian who (apparently against the core principles of their belief) tolerates everyone on my right and an athiest who hates blacks on my left, i'm not going to ignore the latter and chastise the former for not completely following through 100% on their belief and calling all gays "sinners".
 
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