First Look at Henry Cavill as the Man of Steel

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Messypandas said:
I read somewhere that the 3 most recognisable symbols in the world were the Christian Cross, the McDonalds arches and the Superman emblem (in that order). But that doesn't automatically translate into ticket sales.
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absolutely. but the take-away is that Superman is unusually beloved and extremely popular. If there was a Nolan directing Superman movies over the last 20 years, everyone would agree. But it seems people want to blame the superhero for the bad directors and scripts.

Imagine if Batman Forever was the last Batman film. General public perception of him would be quite different...but he benefits from a wonderful run from a great Director/writing team. It's long past time for a badass Superman film. Hopefully this will be in that vein.
 
apana said:
Batman is just more relevant in today's world. People want a real crime fighter who is going to clean up the streets and protect them from mad men, which is what the news hypes up these days. Eventhough crime has been going down in America, fear of crime is greater than ever. Not to mention that the villains of the Batman universe are awesome. People don't see Bruce as a billionaire playboy, that's just his outer persona.
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bullshit, people just like fantasizing getting beat up by billionares. and if Batman is so good at battling crime why is Gotham such a hellhole? Metropolis (except suicide slum) I can walk down the street at night. and while the bored playboy maybe a facade, you can't deny that he embraces all that money.
 
evil solrac v3.0 said:
bullshit, people just like fantasizing getting beat up by billionares. and if Batman is so good at battling crime why is Gotham such a hellhole? Metropolis (except suicide slum) I can walk down the street at night. and while the bored playboy maybe a facade, you can't deny that he embraces all that money.
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lol

Anyways he mostly uses the money and power to further his goals as Batman.
 
Sanjuro Tsubaki said:
I dunno. When I think Superman, I can think of only one decent film.
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I can only think of three fourths of a decent film. The first half of Superman and the plane sequence in Superman Returns. Seriously, once they introduce Luthor and his land grabbing schemes, everything goes out the window. Which is why I cannot believe that Mario Puzo wrote the story to the original.
 
jackdoe said:
I can only think of three fourths of a decent film. The first half of Superman and the plane sequence in Superman Returns. Seriously, once they introduce Luthor and his land grabbing schemes, everything goes out the window. Which is why I cannot believe that Mario Puzo wrote the story to the original.
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Still, can't deny the iconic nature of the original.
 
evil solrac v3.0 said:
bullshit, people just like fantasizing getting beat up by billionares. and if Batman is so good at battling crime why is Gotham such a hellhole? Metropolis (except suicide slum) I can walk down the street at night. and while the bored playboy maybe a facade, you can't deny that he embraces all that money.
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You say Metropolis is nice, until someone throws a bus through a building.
 
The hell you guys. I promise, if you ask random people from around the world to come up with a super hero, their first response will most likely be Superman. And they will most likely know that he can fly, has laser eyes, and is weak to kryptonite. He's like the icon of super heroes.

My freakin parents knows who he is. They think Batman is a bat and Spiderman is a spider. They don't give a shit about super hero movies.

But they know who freakin Superman is.

When kids put on a towel as a fake cape and a logo on their shirt, they want to be Superman. The indestructible super hero that can fly.

Not some lame rich bat with plot armor.
 
Bit-Bit said:
When kids put on a towel as a fake cape and a logo on their shirt, they want to be Superman. The indestructible super hero that can fly.

Not some lame rich bat with plot armor.
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As a kid, I wanted to be Batman. Even had my own mini Batmobile (battery powered of course). So there.

But I agree. Superman is definitely the most iconic and recognizable superhero.
 
Batman is something we can strive to be. Superman's some alien playing human.

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Lionel Mandrake said:
Batman is something we can strive to be. Superman's some alien playing human.

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are you a multi billionare that can bribe children's services into not putting you into the system so you are free to go to the best schools in the world and access to a company that's a mix of Microsoft, Apple, Northtrop Grunman, GE (whatever is the top military maker) and Pfizer? and basically manipulates his allies into doing his bidding and doesn't trust anybody?
not to mention the mental health issues..... no sex.... just with a kid and a dark cave...... yeah....

or are you a guy who came to this country or live in a small town, loved the girl next door, was generally a good kid but quiet, studied hard, travelled a bit, blue collar work ethic and then made something of himself and in his spare time helps.. everywhere. oh and met this sorta cute but annoying girl that's always trying to one up you?

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jackdoe said:
As a kid, I wanted to be Batman. Even had my own mini Batmobile (battery powered of course). So there.

But I agree. Superman is definitely the most iconic and recognizable superhero.
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I wanted to be Luke Cage or A Man Called Nova. or Starlord.
 
evil solrac v3.0 said:
or are you a guy who came to this country or live in a small town, loved the girl next door, was generally a good kid but quiet, studied hard, travelled a bit, blue collar work ethic and then made something of himself and in his spare time helps.. everywhere. oh and met this sorta cute but annoying girl that's always trying to one up you?

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White Knight Boy scouts. SMH.
 
I don't know how anyone can't relate to Batman after watching Batman Begins. Yes he is a rich playboy during the day and the dark knight at night but underneath is Bruce Wayne, the boy with a heart of gold trying to deal with the loss of his parents.
 
evil solrac v3.0 said:
are you a multi billionare that can bribe children's services into not putting you into the system so you are free to go to the best schools in the world and access to a company that's a mix of Microsoft, Apple, Northtrop Grunman, GE (whatever is the top military maker) and Pfizer? and basically manipulates his allies into doing his bidding and doesn't trust anybody?
not to mention the mental health issues..... no sex.... just with a kid and a dark cave...... yeah....

or are you a guy who came to this country or live in a small town, loved the girl next door, was generally a good kid but quiet, studied hard, travelled a bit, blue collar work ethic and then made something of himself and in his spare time helps.. everywhere. oh and met this sorta cute but annoying girl that's always trying to one up you?

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Taking thing just bit far aren't you? Batman and Superman were conceived in the late 1960's and their character designs were more to fit the theme of their respective series Action Comics and Detective Comics. There was no socio-economic commentary then and there isn't any now.

If you are genuinely curious as to why people like Batman more then Superman just connect the dots.

Batman has had a multitude of media hits including several movies, a couple of great cartoon series, a cheesy but popular live action tv show, and two games that were GoTY nominees. Hes easy to adapt to other sources besides comics because he has defined limits and has very little with how good of a guy batman is or where his not so humble beginnings come from.

Superman in contrast has 5 movies two of which are middling at best, an okay animated series, two television series, and a game that lots of people rank as one of the worst of all time. He was also basically a god in the last few versions of the DC universe at some point it become a chore just to adapt him to things because there's no threat to him.
 
I see after consuming some of the Spider-man thread, Batman has now moved on to Superman. Soon Gaf will be all Batman, all the time.


jackdoe said:
As a kid, I wanted to be Batman. Even had my own mini Batmobile (battery powered of course). So there.

But I agree. Superman is definitely the most iconic and recognizable superhero.
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Superman is more iconic for sure. I ran around with a black sheet pretending to be Batman as a kid though. He's just more bad ass.
 
People are shitting on Superman movies now? Granted III and IV were absolute shit and Returns was fairly mediocre. But Donner's original Superman is iconic for a reason and Superman II, especially Donner's cut, is fucking awesome. "Kneel before Zod!"
 
JdFoX187 said:
People are shitting on Superman movies now? Granted III and IV were absolute shit and Returns was fairly mediocre. But Donner's original Superman is iconic for a reason and Superman II, especially Donner's cut, is fucking awesome. "Kneel before Zod!"
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IV was cheesy, but I still enjoyed it.

III and Returns are terrible. Returns had some neat scenes, but Singer attempting to attach his movie to Donner was a huge mistake.

Superman haters just love to repeat the rhetoric about why Superman is bad, rather than thinking larger. That's the problem with Batfans, tiny brains and a penchant for pederasty. :D
 
Ephemeris said:
White Knight Boy scouts. SMH.
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at least i'm not defending the 1%. think about it, on GAF we constantly rail against cops breaking due process and what does Batman do? breaks the due process and rights of the alleged crminals and breaks arms.SMH GAF, for shame......

apana said:
I don't know how anyone can't relate to Batman after watching Batman Begins. Yes he is a rich playboy during the day and the dark knight at night but underneath is Bruce Wayne, the boy with a heart of gold trying to deal with the loss of his parents.
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mental health issues. while I can more than sympathize and think about what would happen if my loved ones were senselessly gunned down when Bruce spoke to his mother during ""Death and the Maidens"
(READ IT!) she didn't raise him to be like that. so he's actually being a slacker, I can't relate to a RICH SLACKER who posts on message boards that batman is not real! (well maybe I can but...)

Empty Space said:
Taking thing just bit far aren't you? Batman and Superman were conceived in the late 1960's and their character designs were more to fit the theme of their respective series Action Comics and Detective Comics. There was no socio-economic commentary then and there isn't any now.

If you are genuinely curious as to why people like Batman more then Superman just connect the dots.

Batman has had a multitude of media hits including several movies, a couple of great cartoon series, a cheesy but popular live action tv show, and two games that were GoTY nominees. Hes easy to adapt to other sources besides comics because he has defined limits and has very little with how good of a guy batman is or where his not so humble beginnings come from.

Superman in contrast has 5 movies two of which are middling at best, an okay animated series, two television series, and a game that lots of people rank as one of the worst of all time. He was also basically a god in the last few versions of the DC universe at some point it become a chore just to adapt him to things because there's no threat to him.
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way to downplay Superman, the bias is thick with you. oh, FYI: Superman Action Comics #1 June 1938, Detective Comics #27 June 1939. and don't blame the character, blame the shitty writers they paired him with. me I like whiz bang BOOM in my comics. and also, relax, we're just having fun, no need to take serious as long as there are no insults thrown around.

Bit-Bit said:
Superman vs. Batman, serious business here on GAF.
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serious like Batman. batman only fans always make me have to knock on Batman, like comics have to be serious all the time to be good. that's why it's superhero comic books. we can have both without knocking the other.
 
apana said:
I don't know how anyone can't relate to Batman after watching Batman Begins. Yes he is a rich playboy during the day and the dark knight at night but underneath is Bruce Wayne, the boy with a heart of gold trying to deal with the loss of his parents.
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And what I liked about Begins is yes Batman has a lot to do with prep time and gadgets and resources, but when Bruce becomes Batman you see that rage just seething through him and how determined, how truly he is able to become the guardian of the city in the name of his parents.
 
They are both awesome.

But bottom line Superman is far more well known, and influential. He was the first superhero, and all others sprung from that singularity.

I have no clue how this can be argued. You personally may like Batman better, but the above is uncontestable.
 
To say that Superman is far more well known is a bit of a reach. Superman is a little bit more well known yes, but even a decade ago most people knew who Batman was. The average person is especially well aware now because of the success of the Nolan films, shows, games etc. I find it hard to believe that someone who knows Superman has no clue who Batman is except in a few cases. No one has really been arguing against the idea that Superman is an iconic and influential character so I'm not sure why people keep bringing this up.
 
apana said:
To say that Superman is far more well known is a bit of a reach. Superman is a little bit more well known yes, but even a decade ago most people knew who Batman was. The average person is especially well aware now because of the success of the Nolan films, shows, games etc. I find it hard to believe that someone who knows Superman has no clue who Batman is except in a few cases. No one has really been arguing against the idea that Superman is an iconic and influential character so I'm not sure why people keep bringing this up.
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Because it's true and I felt like people were putting Batman and Spider-man for some odd reason ahead.
 
apana said:
I find it hard to believe that someone who knows Superman has no clue who Batman is except in a few cases.
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Maybe true in the US...
An exemple, my kid corrected his mother the other day because she called "spider-man" his batman toy... Kids know the difference, teenage or male adults know the difference.

Everybody who doesn't give a shit about super-hero still can recognize superman instantly.
 
Every time this thread is on the front page my heart skips a beat.

Then I remember its still way too early for a trailer.
 
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The irony is that both those drawing are from the same from the same batman story arc aren't they?

evil solrac v3.0 said:
way to downplay Superman, the bias is thick with you. oh, FYI: Superman Action Comics #1 June 1938, Detective Comics #27 June 1939. and don't blame the character, blame the shitty writers they paired him with. me I like whiz bang BOOM in my comics. and also, relax, we're just having fun, no need to take serious as long as there are no insults thrown around.
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I'm not taking this seriously at all, this is fun. I'm really trying to present facts in an objective manner as to why Batman appears to have more popularity in today's world then Superman. I'm sorry about the date that was a typo on my part they were created far earlier, but the point about reading too much into their backgrounds still stands. Blaming the writers in relation to popularity and claiming man Superman is awesome, but has terrible writing is kind of empty isn't it? I mean if I were to say wow Twilight is awesome and has the best love story, but has shit writing and that's why its still the best vampire book/movie would people accept that? (I know little of twilight and picked that as first example that came into my head.

I'm honestly not sure what facet of Batman's and Superman's exposure to media besides comics I missed and if I did miss something be specific please, because I would love to know about it. I will admit I know nothing about Lois and Clark and be downplaying its significance so maybe that show was amazing and nobody ever told me. Batman has had two terrible movies I know, but his ratio on that front is still much better. In the animation front at best I can tell Superman has been the headliner for one series that lasted about two years and then a core cast member where he shared air time equally with other superheros of two other series. Batman was in four different animated series give or take and has appeared in the same multi-superhero shows superman did. The video games remain pretty clear I did neglect to mention all the bad PS2 era Batman games, but Superman had an equal number of similar quality games. Nobody even remembers those games regardless.
 
well it's just that both have had great stories told. but Superman has had a muddied run the last 5-10 years or so in his comics (thank you J. Michael Stracizifndk) while Batman's has been solid. remember in the late 80s and early 90s Superman was hot too with Death of Superman. yeah we live in a far more cynical world but to be honest, Batman is the one that took that insane no killing vow, so i'm not sure which character is more naive.

when Superman is in the right creator's hands and said creator doesn't concern himself with "realism" Superman stories are really fun (All-Star super, superman for all seasons, red son, there's a few more I'm forgetting now) I agree that it is hard to translate all that stuff on screen and video games and Batman's nature lends itself better to that on account of being more human, but it's far from impossible.
what really annoys me personally is how creators like to put these barriers up and constatntly say "superman is indestructible, therefore we can't do anything fun." bull! they just don't want to the research and pick up a book. I'm excited for this movie because I read the interviews by Cavill and Snyder and they seem excited about the source material which can only translate to good things.
 
evil solrac v3.0 said:
are you a multi billionare that can bribe children's services into not putting you into the system so you are free to go to the best schools in the world and access to a company that's a mix of Microsoft, Apple, Northtrop Grunman, GE (whatever is the top military maker) and Pfizer? and basically manipulates his allies into doing his bidding and doesn't trust anybody?
not to mention the mental health issues..... no sex.... just with a kid and a dark cave...... yeah....

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Catwoman and Talia al Ghul would both argue you on that point.

Batman likes them criminally naughty
 
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