Naughty Dog Almost Made A New Jak And Daxter

I think Naughty Dog is starting to lose me on their philosophy on games. Everything having to have tons of meaning and being all serious and realistic and super super story based.

I feel like this is a classic case of media growing away from me.
 
Edag Plata said:
I think Naughty Dog is starting to lose me on their philosophy on games. Everything having to have tons of meaning and being all serious and realistic and super super story based.

I feel like this is a classic case of media growing away from me.
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It's one company.

What you're looking for exists elsewhere.
 
I don't like doing this but it's an important note:

Sony's gearing up for SOMETHING in this franchise:

- PlayStation Move Heroes
- Daxter in Invizimals: Shadow Zone
- HD Collection
- Daxter being one of the first PSP games on PlayStation Suite

It's also import to note Sony's cycle of HD Collections:
God of War: HD Collection > God of War 3
Sly Cooper: HD Collection > Sly Cooper: Thieves in Time
Ico & Shadow of the Colosus HD Collection > The Last Guardian
Jak & Daxter: HD Collection > ???

Though the OP's story makes me confused. I thought it was Naughty Dog who once was doing TLF? It sounds like after Jak X they dropped the franchise entirely. Does that mean TLF was entirely High Impact?
 
Yeah, I really wouldn't be surprised if we got Jak 4. Not only does it seem extremely obvious with their HD Collection, but with the arrival of the Vita it would a great addition to perhaps draw in the older gaming generation. The People with money to drop are the ones that will remember the Jak franchise, and I'm sure we will end up seeing it announced after the Last of Us, unless its not naughty dog making it.

That isn't to say that Jak 4 is close to release or even production. The Last Guardian is still in development, and who knows where that's at with Ueda leaving the project.
 
ScreenSplitter said:
It's pretty much this.

I imagine being owned by Sony has it's disadvantages somewhat.

ND: "Hey we want to go back to our older, more niche franchise."

Sony: "Oh yeah brah, that the one that's like Uncharted?"

ND: "Er no, it was a free roaming platformer"

Sony: "A what... whatting.. whatter?"
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Nope. Thanks for playing.



AAK said:
You can't be so naive to think that Sony doesn't have much influence on ND. Uncharted was basically Sony's demand from the very beginning.
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Except that wasn't the actual case. at all.
 
SolidSnakex said:
It's also just one team at ND. The TLoU team obviously had a preference for doing something more realistic. The Uncharted team could have a completely different vision.
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The bigger issue is that a good number of people who worked on Jak and made it what it is are no longer at Naughty Dog as well. We still have some key members, of course - but there's less than 30 people who worked on Jak still here and they're split across both teams now as well.
 
Even though it would be cool to see a Jak 4, I think that franchise would have a much tougher time in today's market. It seems that ND is going to put multiplayer in all their games, and I don't really see how you could pull that off in Jak. I think the days of $60 platformer are dead, and it smart of Naughty Dog to move on. Maybe a small PSN/Vita project would work. So far, I've been happy with where they've gone as a studio, and I'd like to see them continue making new IPs rather than looking back to old franchises.
 
New IP wins any day of the week. I'm impressed they are sticking it to the standard and doing something THEY want to do, instead of what everyone wants them to do. And the Last of Us was the directors dream game for a LONG time and he finally gets to make it, that's awesome.

And people got to realize that Jak would not work like it was, unless they fired and hired a lot of staff. The majority of people they hired on for Uncharted and tLoU were all great realistic artists/modelers/animators ect. and they really created a dream team (in the art side of things), it would be a shame to redo that for Jak. Or if they use the existing team, then like they said, it would not be the same at all. And you also want to use your team with what they are best at...
 
Stumpokapow said:
I find people's frothing demand for a sequel to a franchise that already has a game out to be incredibly odd. Know what I want? Something new. Then more new stuff. etc.
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I understand, appreciate and often agree with this. Yet there are times when a game comes out and you feel that the developer was really onto something, sometimes even being INCREDIBLY CLOSE to making something truly special.

I love new IPs, and find myself supporting them more than I really should (buying Shadows of the Damned for $60, for instance), but often it takes more than one thirty month development cycle to make something awesome.
 
I'd love a new Jak, but man, keep the controls/gameplay from Uncharted out of my Jak and Daxter.

Part of the reason I loved Jak and Daxter was because the controls were so tight and precise (relatively speaking). Sloppy ice skating doesn't belong in Jak and Daxter.
 
SolidSnakex said:
I can't find it anymore, but ND did release a PS3 tech demo that had "realistic" Jak-style characters in it. This was before they unveiled Uncharted for the PS3. IGN's page for the story gives you an error when you click on the video link now.
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Are you sure you didn't mean these two videos from The Lost Frontier? It was leaked before the game was officially announced, and many speculated it was Jak PS3.
 
Disservice to fans and themselves? Whatever, sounds like a bunch of excuses. If they really wanted to make a Jak game they could have and I'm sure they could have breathed enough new life into it. Instead they are going to play it safe with The Last of Us, more post apocalyptic nonsense with Uncharted-like shooting, etc. Whatever Dogs.
 
Naughty Dog wanted to find a way to apply elements from Uncharted 2’s award-winning game design to Jak and Daxter. The team experimented with implementing Uncharted-style narrative techniques and rendering Jak and Daxter in the same realistic style seen in the company’s gorgeous PS3 games. According to Wells, the new project would be a departure from slapstick, comic book-tone of previous games. But before full-blown work could begin on the game Naughty Dog would have to create new, more realistic versions of the titular heroes.
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Naughty Dog what the hell happened to you? You all used to be cool :(
 
jak & daxter is a huge shameless ripoff of:

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Takao said:
Are you sure you didn't mean these two videos from The Lost Frontier? It was leaked before the game was officially announced, and many speculated it was Jak PS3.
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It wasn't that and it might not have even been from ND. But they definitely looked like Jak characters. It was released in the early days of the PS3.
 
All of their ideas for Jak 4 sounded terrible and ND sounds barely anything like the studio that used to make Jak or Crash, so I'm glad they skipped it.
 
This is my all-time favorite series, but it just doesn't sound like the current ND wants to make a new one of these. If that was the direction they wanted to take it, then maybe its best they don't make a new one. I mean as Arne said up there, they don't even have that many people who worked on the series.

I am not sure why they would try and go this route though. Instead of trying to make the characters more realistic and the story more serious, why not just build on what the series was about. From a graphics standpoint, they could have just made things more detailed and I imagine it would be cool to see what could be done with their current technology with the open-worlds that the series had.

As far as the different direction of the character designs and story, that is odd. Maybe they just aren't interested in making the style of things like Jak was anymore. Maybe they thought it wouldn't have marketing appeal or something? I think fans of the series would be very excited to play a new one though. And I think a lot of people who have come to love them with the Uncharted series would have gave it a shot too. Oh well. If they aren't into making one, I guess it is best they just don't even though I was always hoping they would do another one.

Takao said:
Though the OP's story makes me confused. I thought it was Naughty Dog who once was doing TLF? It sounds like after Jak X they dropped the franchise entirely. Does that mean TLF was entirely High Impact?
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I think between the leaked videos and resumes, it seemed pretty clear that The Lost Frontier started at Naughty Dog. I still believe that.
 
I'm glad they didn't end up making it the way they were talking about. Jak was my favorite series on PS2, but it sounded like they wanted to take away what made the series great and they didn't want to work on those types of games.

With the way Jak 3 ended, they could just send Jak and Daxter to a completely different world for some completely new, self contained adventure.
 
Yamibito said:
If you're implying The Last of Us seems dudebro then you're kinda dumb.
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It's fairly obvious to get what he means and I agree with it. They said they were trying to apply the realistic tone to Jak, instead of the old comic style. I might be reaching kind of far here, but it sounds like they only want to make games that are super realistic and want to shy away from different art styles.
 
I think a cartoonish game with Amy Hennig quality writing would do wonders in today's market, but I guess we'll never find out if I'm right or not.
 
Dam what is with all these retard companies trying to alter their past successes we like soo much that theyre unrecognisable.... Gritty, realistic jak n dexter? wtf! Rare did the same to Banjo Kazooie, Spyro suffered the same fate. Its is not at all neccessary!! Just do like Nintendo with Mario!

Mario is the lone king in the otherwise dead platformer genre because of this retarded floundering
 
I don't hate Uncharted (and calling it gritty/dark is stupid), but I would definitely prefer Jak & Daxter over it. I found all the Jak games to be pretty flawed, but I really enjoyed the style. I understand why they left Crash Bandicoot (still Naughty Dog's best work), but to know that they were close to making a new Jak game but didn't is really disappointing. Especially since The Last of Us doesn't really interest me.

Oh well. I can only hope Sony picks a good developer to fill ND's shoes for the inevitable Jak 4. Daxter was good, and probably the least flawed of the J&D games. So I'd be good with Ready at Dawn.

Massa said:
I think a cartoonish game with Amy Hennig quality writing would do wonders in today's market, but I guess we'll never find out if I'm right or not.
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Would love that so much.
 
SykoTech said:
I don't hate Uncharted (and calling it gritty/dark is stupid), but I would definitely prefer Jak & Daxter over it. I found all the Jak games to be pretty flawed, but I really enjoyed the style. I understand why they left Crash Bandicoot (still Naughty Dog's best work), but to know that they were close to making a new Jak game but didn't is really disappointing. Especially since The Last of Us doesn't really interest me.

Oh well. I can only hope Sony picks a good developer to fill ND's shoes for the inevitable Jak 4. Daxter was good, and probably the least flawed of the J&D games. So I'd be good with Ready at Dawn.



Would love that so much.
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You still have sly4
 
Glad they didn't go through with it. I rather a new IP then a game in a series that doesn't hold true to it. As far as I am concerned Jak&D doesn't need any new games. It's a franchise from the PS2 era and that is where it should belong, not all series need to continue forever.
 
TripOpt55 said:
I think between the leaked videos and resumes, it seemed pretty clear that The Lost Frontier started at Naughty Dog. I still believe that.
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There were some early tests on PSP development to see if we were going to do TLF here at the studio - for a long list of excellent reasons, we never proceeded with any real production work with TLF. Simply put, our strength and preference has been and is working on home consoles.
 
makingmusic476 said:
I like that they took a new Jak & Daxter seriously, instead of just farming it out to some random studio that happens to like the series.
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Is that a jab at Sanzaru games? :P Hey the new Sly 4 may end up great, just don't like that they used the tired old time-jumping story-line.
 
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