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SO MOE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Since the beginning.
I just don't get a chance to write about all of them.
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SO MOE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I just don't get a chance to write about all of them.Urban Scholar
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....Every time a scan group gets shaken up by something, we turn on each other....
Moe is not a genre, sorry. Everyone of the manga you listed definitely has moe characters. A lot I knew about already, but I went through the entire list before I responded to it and I can assure you 100% that they're all moe-style manga. This isn't a negative, even moe style manga can have darker moments too, including "manly" moments, and even some non-moe style manga can have moe characters. Hunter x Hunter is also moe-style for the majority of the time, yet look what kind of crazy shit you get in it.
The reason I say the general anime style is moe is because I'm using the base term like it's supposed to be used. Every manga that utilizes the style that we see in a lot of anime today like "anime eyes" and "anime hair" are completely derived from older shojo manga, which were in turn was a unique style derived from Osamu Tezuka and other manga-ka like Go Nagai and Ishinomori. This is undoubtedly the truth and there's historic value in this. While "moe" isn't as old as the shojo genre itself, "moe" has always consistently be associated with the shojo style, which in turn popularized overtime. Even boys accepted the moe-style with stuff like Rurouni Kenshin and Yu Yu Hakusho.
So take no offense when I say you prefer moe manga over non-moe manga. Both are fine, just don't dismiss One Piece or Naruto just because it doesn't appeal to you and/or you're tired of people reading it over manga you like.
The reason I say the general anime style is moe is because I'm using the base term like it's supposed to be used. Every manga that utilizes the style that we see in a lot of anime today like "anime eyes" and "anime hair" are completely derived from older shojo manga, which were in turn was a unique style derived from Osamu Tezuka and other manga-ka like Go Nagai and Ishinomori. This is undoubtedly the truth and there's historic value in this. While "moe" isn't as old as the shojo genre itself, "moe" has always consistently be associated with the shojo style, which in turn popularized overtime. Even boys accepted the moe-style with stuff like Rurouni Kenshin and Yu Yu Hakusho.
So take no offense when I say you prefer moe manga over non-moe manga. Both are fine, just don't dismiss One Piece or Naruto just because it doesn't appeal to you and/or you're tired of people reading it over manga you like.
When did this happen exactly?
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His definition of moe encompasses like 99% of manga.
AppleSmack
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You went on a rant before about how sameish Bleach, One Piece, Narutu, and I pointed out that saying that is actually factually wrong. You've also made no case to hide the fact that you dislike Jump manga, even here and right now when you passively aggressively agree to someone posting, "I'll survive." yes, we get it, you don't like Big Three cause they're "cliche" and "typical," which neither of those are even remotely a legitimate point against any form of storytelling medium. However this hurts actual legitimate arguments against or for any of these series, and promotes regressive thought.
Not really, more like 70%. If we're including doujins, however, yes it skyrockets to like 99%.
Damn, if gunbo's list is dominated by moe, then I don't know what to say. :lol
On another note, I thought moe/moe characters refereed to that strange feeling "to 'protect' something/someone" as though they're fragile or something as per the Japanese interpretation of the phrase. I didn't think it had anything to do with genre or art style particularly, although you can see when an art style is changed just to get that effect from the readership.
Finally, what the fuck Viz? This is going to find a way to suck for me going forward. Just when I got caught up in One Piece and started kinda looking forward to new Bleach too.
On another note, I thought moe/moe characters refereed to that strange feeling "to 'protect' something/someone" as though they're fragile or something as per the Japanese interpretation of the phrase. I didn't think it had anything to do with genre or art style particularly, although you can see when an art style is changed just to get that effect from the readership.
Finally, what the fuck Viz? This is going to find a way to suck for me going forward. Just when I got caught up in One Piece and started kinda looking forward to new Bleach too.
They'll just get released by mangazone a day earlier at lower quality. Most of you won't even notice the difference (see this week's Hunter X Hunter for example, I think most of the reviews were based on the mangazone version and not mangastream's).
I didn't catch MZ's version of HxH... But when MZ first surfaced a while back and released all of the big 3 quicker than MS for like 2 or 3 weeks in a row, I read their stuff...so meh. But I'm not really as worried about the translations (unless they're REALLY REALLY off) as I am about the quality of the pages. I read the chapters on my HDTV so I can definitely see a big difference between MS's scans and everyone elses.
That sorta sounds like something I'd say... But your "factually wrong" statement pretty much makes me not care.
I read plenty of WSJ manga. And I don't really like Bleach (cept for SS, some other bits), Naruto, and OP. So...this news isn't that big a deal to me. I tease about the big three all the time and I don't hide anything. And if I don't hide it, then it isn't passive aggressive.
So what exactly are you posting about?
Your definition needs some work considering nobody uses that term that way.
Stat is an evolved being. I do that too for some reads. On my HDTV right now.
AppleSmack
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Big screen and comfy couch is the way real men read manga!
Dedication Through Light
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I wonder if they reached out to the groups doing ao no exorcist, nura, and toriko.
.....you do know what blood lad is right?...the one with ghost moe as one of the main character,little sister moe and some teleporting moe girl and a kawaii desu mascot animal thing, strange how called everthing moe except that.
See You Next Wednesday
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So I guess will scans will be released on Thursdays instead of Wednesdays now?
It's like the dark old days before mangastream.
Your actually opinion of the series is irrelevant to me, I just cannot stand to see someone post such a claim when I've personally gone leaps and bounds to form my own opinion. There's an academic value in deconstructing these series, which when I see someone saying, "One Piece is too cliche." and passively pressing on people who enjoy One Piece or similar series, then yeah, I have some problems. The "suicide watch" comment was completely off the wall and offensive to my own opinion of the series, my opinion on the stance of manga piracy, and also offensive cause it suggests I'm obsessively reliant on One Piece. So yeah, I'm a bit frustrated.
Then let me deconstruct what I mean, exactly. "Moe-style" isn't necessarily the same thing as saying, "So moe~" it's directly refering to series intentionally designing their characters to look cute and in the typical "anime eyes" "anime hair" style you see in a crapload of manga, which derive primarily from the first modern shojo manga. Moe is a feeling, not a genre. Moe-style aims to get that reaction out of people.
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I would be willing to pay double for Shonen Jump Alpha if they translated everything instead of just six series. The price is still pretty good for what you get I think. I just hope that they increase the resolution of the scans (especially with iPad 3 w/retina display rumoured to be coming soon) and get the delay down to a week (or less).
Dedication Through Light
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Isnt that like 20 series with quite a few that most people never heard of? Theres no way they could do them all without abandoning even more of their non jump titles.
chickdigger802
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Pssh read manga like a man... on your kindle.
What? PC -> HDMI -> 42" HDTV...pull up MangaStream with the AMR extension = manga reading bliss.
I've tried this. But it's awful. I actually used my iPad to read all of TWGOK and Beelzebub to where they were when I initially started them.
Nakama~
Seriously if all the manga you enjoy aren't unconventional, manly man, and arthouse manga, then there's something wrong. Time to pack up your things, guys.
With that being said I don't have problem with moe-style, I'm actually watching Higurashi due to a friend's request the past week or so, though I'm not sure what I think of it yet.
You should read some moe manga to relax.
Well, your usage goes against how everybody commonly uses it. So it would be quite an odd stretch to start calling series like "Until Death Do Us Part" moe.
And the suicide watch comment was a joke. I don't really know how to comment on your reaction...but it is really overblown. I mean somehow you took that, resurrected comments I made weeks ago (which I vaguely remember), and went on another talk about your OP dissections. And considering you do the same thing every week, it's not enlightening.
I can only say to at least calm it down when responding to my posts. There is nothing in there that has animosity towards anyone. I'm only seeing that you can't take a joke.
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I haven't read the series, it looks like it has awesome moments, which is common in most anime/manga in general, but are you legitimately telling me...
This isn't moe-style?
A good chunk of manga do not share this style, including 4koma manga. There's hundreds of various and unique art styles in manga format that aren't reliant on making their characters look kawaii-desu.
That's approximately what I'm discussing. What else could "moe-style" apply to other than art style?
"Moe manga" is a recently coined term, there's no such thing as a "moe manga" as that implies there's a genre behind it.
The problem is that if they kill the scan sites while only translating the titles that are more popular in the west there's no way for a new title to become popular. They can wait until something becomes popular in Japan before pushing it but then they have the problem of catching people up. Ideally you want to be hooking people on new series as old series come to an end.
With Bleach and Naruto heading towards their finales this becomes more important. Nura might be good, but it's at chapter #186 which I can't imagine is a good jumping on point. Even if they don't translate everything they should at least be throwing the newer series into the mix so they can see what sticks.
Infinite Justice
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wow
it was gonna happen eventually but it still sucks to hear
I wonder who is gonna take up the "mantle" now?
it was gonna happen eventually but it still sucks to hear
I wonder who is gonna take up the "mantle" now?
So a manga that makes their characters look cute is considered moe? And please do name me these hundreds of styles cause what you are describing is eliminating majority of manga.
I was referring to their art style, which is where the heart of moe lies. If these characters weren't so cute there would be no reason to say, "So moe..."
Infinite Justice
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The moe argument is in the fucking manga thread now?
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You aren't making any sense.
Then you say:
You brought it up yourself and now say it doesn't exist.
Now you are referring to "art style" and not the rest of the manga. What, like a moe story? Unicorns and puppies?
I meant moe-style manga, I've already established that I don't think there's such a thing as a moe genre near the beginning of this quarrel. Which, to quote:
TacticalFox88
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What the fuck am I reading?
Infinite Justice
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a preview of the anime thread at times.
My fault. I did a He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named thing.
So then when you said action manga, is that action "style" or action "genre?"
No, this one makes even less sense.
thetechkid
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Why has the moe argument infected this thread, did it not use protection when it was with the anime thread?
I meant genre with that one. There's just no reason to really associate moe with a specific genre. Moe in genre terms, at best, is a demographic, maybe, but it's hard to define cause just about anyone can consider anything moe while others may set it completely differently. I do not buy that K-on! is a "moe" series; it's a slice-of-life series, you know, an actual genre.
Yea but nobody here has said moe is a genre. The closest was your comment that said "moe manga." We just tried to respond to how silly that sounded.
But your statement is basically that if a character is being drawn cute, just ONE character even if there are 100 in the manga, the work is moe style. UDDUP is an action manga.
See, I didn't mince words.
Yet...
So...apparently this does not mean you are going against the correct label I used. Instead, you are just hating. And if you are hating for no reason, then that is just as bad as your accusation of me hating on Naruto/OP.
So you are either contradicting yourself or being a hypocrite.
Every main character in that manga is drawn in cute style. If there was just a few, like in something like Berserk or Fist of the North Star, I wouldn't call those "moe-style."
The main character here, and most pictures I've seen from it are drawn in a very cutesy style. The style is what I call "moe-style," but you can call it anything you want, it's a very clear and concise style you see in a lot of series. Yes, majority of anime/manga have this style, but not all and it isn't so inflated that the idea of sticking exclusively to more non-conventional styles is out of the question since there's hundreds of manga out there that aren't moe-style.
This doesn't mean that "all anime look the same" but the styles are there. For example I consider One Piece to be completely cartoon-style (with some anime stuff too), but that doesn't mean all cartoons look like One Piece or vise-versa.
I'm not hating, just stating the truth. Did not use "shit" in a negative context whatsoever.
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