I have a distant relative (we're hispanic) in South Texas that flies it, but he's an asshole. Has it next to a Washington Redskins flag too. He does shit just to get a rise out of people.
City Council member defends flying Confederate flag at home
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I have a distant relative (we're hispanic) in South Texas that flies it, but he's an asshole. Has it next to a Washington Redskins flag too. He does shit just to get a rise out of people.
Funky Papa
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It is considered a symbol of rebelliousness among our particular set of greasers (not just bikers, but also rockers), with no racial connotations.
I guess it kind of lost its meaning during the translation, eh.
shinobi602
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Meh...it's his backyard.
Who gives a shit what's back there.
Who gives a shit what's back there.
So are you defending slavery and against civil rights? I'm not saying you are but these comments come off like that.
You see very bitter about the civil rights movement.
PackerinMN
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This should have been the first and only post.
his neighbors? If I can't paint my house purple then everything is up for debate.
That said, I wouldn't ever try to force someone to change something about their yard. But it is the norm more than not in this country for your neighbors to have a big say in what you can and cannot do on your own property.
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If the dude wasn't a City Council member, it would have been
Razgriz-Specter
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1 highschool I went to nearly everyone in the school on 'camo day' would wear it on shirts,etc.
asian girls & guys,black,hispanic,white.
though that school was really country and redneck though, they made me feel left out just because I never went hunting before lol, girls included.
I kind of feel like the Confederate flag is turning into the new version of black people using the word nigger in that both were, or are depending on who you're talking to, terribly offensive but people are starting to use them in a way inconsistent with their original negative meanings. I've lived in the South my entire life and have met plenty of people who had Confederate flags but were genuinely nice people who saw it as a symbol of Southern pride more than anything and were quite disconnected from the idea of it having any racial undertones. It's probably more than a little naive but honestly grouping everyone who owns one as racists or whatever seems a little unfair. I feel like they're trying to epitomize this type of Southern lifestyle that they think is becoming less prevalent in America which basically encompasses every redneck stereotype you can think of, and the Confederate flag is their symbol I guess. It wouldn't surprise me if as people from the Civil Rights era die off that the flag becomes even less connected to its racial past and seen almost exclusively for that Southern redneck lifestyle. Then again there's also people trying to use it as a symbol of limited government, states rights, and other nonsense that in the context of the Civil War (and probably the Civil Rights Movement) is more than a little revisionary so I suppose nothing is set in stone. Either way I think the days of the Confederate flag being seen almost purely through a racial lens are waning.
Lol that flag represents an utter failure of a rebellion branch 150 years ago. If you fly it around your house you're a sad, unpatriotic piece of shit who should not in any way represent the government. Also, the true intentions of flying it today are most likely racist or at the very least anti-Obama(aka anti-current-democrat-control-of-US). It's this guy's way of being a little cry baby.
BlueTsunami
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The opinion that the Confederate Flag is patriotic is one of the more hilarious arguments for flying it
Bay Maximus
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No. People are pressing the Quote button. Your words are your words. They are twisted without anyone twisting them. gg.
So then we agree, now it is something that racist, stupid people fly. We're making progress.
Don't know if they would have or not but I don't believe anyone here has said the North was innocent. Also, why are you trying to reframe the discussion? This isn't about North vs. South.
You're going to ignore people but you're willing to talk to anyone? Either 'anyone' or 'ignore' doesn't mean what you think it means.
Haha. Bullshit. No black or latino's I've ever seen. Perhaps there's some, but its 99.99% white people.
lol
keep diggin that hole. No shit the 'North' wasn't innocent, but in comparison to the traitorous slaver piece of shits that this flag was flown for, they come off rather rosy in comparison.
PhoenixDark
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Seriously? I mean, are you being serious right now
Lord_Byron28
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Quit twisting his words. He isn't against slavery or civil rights. His arguement(I don't agree with) is that the confederate flag wasn't associated with racism and slavery and wasn't a symbol for racists until the civil rights movement. There is a huge difference.
I think he's wrong but don't twist his words and change what he's talking about
Bumblebeetuna
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It's his yard, he can fly whatever flag he wants. It's America, after all.
And I don't think the flag truly represents racism or means you're pro slavery. These connotations did not come around until decades after the Civil War during the civil rights movement.
And I don't think the flag truly represents racism or means you're pro slavery. These connotations did not come around until decades after the Civil War during the civil rights movement.
His neighbors and constituents can still have an opinion on it. This is America after all.
Out of the myriad things we talk about on GAF this is off limits for some reason?
Dude Abides
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The Civil Rights movement "demonized it" because backwards racist people started flying it more and more as a protest against integration and equality. That's why South Carolina didn't put it on the statehouse until 1962.
And it's still the symbol of people who took up arms against the lawful government of the United States of America - i.e. traitors.
reggieandTFE
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How awesome is it that you are defending the poor, victimized South with insane, insular logic? So awesome. Also, are you 12 years old?
SMH, no words.
iamshadowlark
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Razgriz-Specter
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It's always been a symbol for hate and intolerance, but before the Civil Rights Movement, hate and intolerance were acceptable.
It doesn't, but enough people are rightfully offended by it that we probably should probably be sympathetic.
Not to mention there's plenty that fly it that are racist.
The flag doesn't "truly" represent anything. It's a piece of fabric with colors on it. Symbolism is in the mind of the presenter and observer.
But here's the thing. Regardless of when the flag came to symbolize racism/slavery or whatever, that's what it has come to mean for most. Some people will still use that symbol because, like StarWolf's grandpa, they predate that change in meaning and remember that it used to stand for Southern pride. But for the rest of us, well. If you embrace a symbol knowing that to most it stands for racism and slavery, then whatever you may protest about its "true" meaning, that says something about you.
PackerinMN
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I guess I don't mean that it isn't a worthy topic of discussion. It's just that it is his right to fly any freak flag he wants in his own back yard. It's not like it's on a gaudy monstrosity of a pole and being shoved down the neighborhood's throat.
Yeah, no. He wasn't in any way twisting his words since that is essentially what he's been saying. The confederate flag wasn't racist because underneath all that bigotry, was justice. Or at least, southern pride. Nothing wrong with that, or a pride based on the blood of subservient minorites, but yeah, let's just say he wasn't saying any of that.
And I really do think the confederate flag was associated with civil rights since, well, they were basically fighting for that very reason. Economic stability or not.
Bumblebeetuna
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It seems to have taken on a 3rd meaning lately as sort of a redneck battle cry/showing of pride. I don't think most people who fly it on their homes or cars connect it to civil rights and certainly not the Confederacy.
Bahahah, I lost at at this post. So true.
iamshadowlark
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The confederacy has shit to do with southern pride.
They demonized the flag because of what is stood for. They did not make it stand for something it did not.
RawkHawk2010
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I see absolutely no issue with this.
It's not twisting your words but using them against you.
Your argument is (to be blunt) a stupid one...Most everything in history that has come to be despised can be defended in the same way. Child labor and labor working conditions in the early 20th is probably a good example...
People who fly that flag are either racist or wholly ignorant to what it stands for. Yes, there were economic issues but when your labor force is built on slaves, you lose the argument about what it means in a greater context. Yes there were issues about state's rights but it's an argument borne at the time in a futile attempt to justify their slave trade.
iamshadowlark
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What the hell do you all think the Confederates were fighting for?
We need to stop pointing fingers at each other and get to the realization that slavery was all about the profit. It was all about the money honey and if it had been legal to enslave whites at the time, they would have done that too. The greed of the upper class ruled over the poor and helpless then, and still does now no matter what race you are. GREED was the motivating force, and it still happens in Africa and other places right now.
Devolution
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Still fighting that Civil War excuse me, War of Northern Aggression I see. I'll never really understand how the flag is a point of pride to a region that fought the civil war to keep their economic structure, which included the slavery and wholesale of human fucking beings. Who the fuck takes honest to god pride in that. Why? There is so much rich heritage in the South, why keep a symbol of shame? And the fact that it's not even viewed as such is depressing. I've never seen the flag displayed (and of course it's because I'm not in the south) on anything other than on some white supremacists wall, arm or shirt.
And racism because they wouldn't have gotten away with slavery for so long without the idea that blacks were an inferior people.
And racism because they wouldn't have gotten away with slavery for so long without the idea that blacks were an inferior people.
The flag was a target for the civil rights movement because of what it stood for. This was not a myth created by the movement.
Amibguous Cad
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Any one individual does not get to decide whether something has racial undertones. The symbol, owing to its history, has it, whether you will it or not. Those who fly the flag are willing to put their own aesthetic tastes above historcal rememberance of the confederacy's sins. For that reason, flying the flagis racist, whether or not the person in question holds conscious animus towards other people on the basis of race.
iamshadowlark
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The thinking that the flag represents some kind of Southern Heritage is what sickens me.
Probably rhetorical, but....racists.
ZeroGravity
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I'm sure you would with people who agree with you, but you won't find many open racists on GAF.
No, but a large group of people overtime can and I think that's where we're headed with this particular one.
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