Winter 2012 Anime Thread 2.22: You Can (Not) Outpost Cajunator

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Yutori-chan 4-13

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This shit's dumb as hell but I can see why Cajun would recommend it (dem hnngggh's).

Regulus Tera said:
what's the last anime revival/reboot/sequel that actually managed to not desecrate the original's memory anyway?
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Birdy Decode's really the only thing that comes to mind :(
 
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Unknown Soldier said:
Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
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Yup. I can't really subscribe to the 'SAC is simply a pale clone of the original movie' philosophy because, for the most part, it's a different interpretation of the same world and characters.

Apart from Solid State Society of course, which tries really hard to be the original Ghost in the Shell for reasons I cannot fathom.
flawfuls said:
Yeah but if it were going to happen it probably would have happened already.
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Stop speaking the truth. (I agree, it would probably have come in 2010 or 2011 if it was going to happen at all)
 
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Risette

A Good Citizen
Jexhius said:
Yup. I can't really subscribe to the 'SAC is simply a pale clone of the original movie' philosophy because, for the most part, it's a different interpretation of the same world and characters.
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I've never said SAC is a pale clone of the original, although it is a pale, dull pile of worthless. SSS is a different case of awful, though.
 
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Thanks for the spiraling into auto-destruction of the latest pages, guys. Funny stuff!

7Th said:
I don't even know what firehawk is talking about; the widely accepted consensus in Eva communities like EvaGeeks is that the TV ending and the movie ending are the same told from two different perspectives.
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As much consensus as you can obtain on the 'fandom' (dependable as we are) without a direct confirmation from Mr. Anno itself, and even then I'm not completely sure of it... in fact, although lacking more context, there has been quotations from him on that matter, and if those quotations were present on texts authored in collaboration with Carl Horn, then gain credibility for sure:

The Complete Anime Guide: Japanese Animation Film Directory & Resource Guide (second edition) (1 February 1997) - gwern.net said:
‘Becoming more and more emotionally intense in later episodes, the clever and intricate design work, otaku in-jokes and bouncey “fan service” expected from Gainax are in EVANGELION interleaved with bizarre, brutal, surrealistic and shocking scenes which caused much controversy and even calls for a boycott against the show. Public outrage over the ambiguous, mocking conclusion of the series - combined with the factor of EVANGELION’s vast popularity - led to the announcement from Gainax that a double-feature EVA “movie” would be released in the spring of 1997. The first film will be a feature-length edit of the first 24 episodes, the second, an all-new version of the final two which will provide, according to Anno, “the same ending, but from a different perspective.”’
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http://www.gwern.net/otaku#p-4


...but, yeah! Of course it is widely accepted!
For some kind of respected consensus, it should be part of the matters discussed by the Reichu, Shin-seiki & friends' Fan-Geeks Commentary (FGC) 'committee', or in good-old ANF.

firehawk12 said:
This was from the Evangelion episode of ANNCast, with some expert from Evageeks and the "V" guy who dresses like... the V guy and gives panels at anime conventions about Evangelion. lol
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firehawk12 said:
Probably. I assumed they were representative of the Eva fan, since they are "famous" enough to be singled out to be on the podcast.
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If I remember correctly, V called to discuss the topic in hand and later deviated the attention to other (his own) playgrounds... with the utmost respect for him and leaving aside this heated bickering with The Eva Monkey, he is still considered an outcast in communities like EvaGeeks.org (and still banned), and because of his sometimes inflexible stance he was always seen as that, hardly as representative. I like his approach to some of the discussions, definitely... however, the grudge continues (http://revolutionofevangelion.org/)...
 
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Not nearly as good as Heartcatch, but entertaining nonetheless. Those character designs are still pretty bad.
 
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Narag said:
Eiken

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"It's only 2 episodes, how bad can it be?"

Knight of the Area - 07

Regulus Tera said:
The preview after the cliffhanger has
the Football Club being all cheery and stuff
. You gotta be a dimwit if you cannot figure out who won the match after that.
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This is anime dude, it could easily be that they lost, but they were happy anyway because they played their heart out and had no regrets, and then the winners get jealous or something and the two teams merge anyway, because this is anime.

Highschool DxD - 07

A slime that melts clothes, why didn't I think of it!?
 
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Steroyd, that's already been done by TLR!


Smile Precure

Actually, 2 of the girls have decent design when untransformed, all the transformed forms look really bad, though.
 
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PdotMichael

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Martian Successor Nadesico - 5

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A "slow" episode without big battles but more Yurika-centric. Yurika is so cute with her obsession for Akito.
 
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pizzaroll said:
Lol no. SAC definitely smears the name of the original, esp. with crud like Solid State Society.
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Some of us don't think the original movie was that great. I'm not a member of the Cult of Oshii and so I don't find GitS that terribly exciting or compelling most of the time, especially since the narrative was so disjointed.

SAC actually put in effort into having a cohesive story of it's own instead of haphazardly adapting the manga and being needlessly confusing.

I never actually finished Solid State Society so criticisms of that movie are not particularly relevant to me.
 
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darkside31337

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Unknown Soldier said:
Some of us don't think the original movie was that great. I'm not a member of the Cult of Oshii and so I don't find GitS that terribly exciting or compelling most of the time, especially since the narrative was so disjointed.

SAC actually put in effort into having a cohesive story of it's own instead of haphazardly adapting the manga and being needlessly confusing.

I never actually finished Solid State Society so criticisms of that movie are not particularly relevant to me.
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Agreed.

I found SAC to be a really compelling and interesting series overall. GITS itself was honestly a chore to watch, as has been the case for anything Oshii I've seen.

Don't know anything about SSS.
 
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Hitokage

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Speaking of pale clones, the Ghost in the Shell movie is pretty much the manga, but slower, humorless, and without a sex scene.
 
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Risette

A Good Citizen
Unknown Soldier said:
Some of us don't think the original movie was that great. I'm not a member of the Cult of Oshii and so I don't find GitS that terribly exciting or compelling most of the time, especially since the narrative was so disjointed.

SAC actually put in effort into having a cohesive story of it's own instead of haphazardly adapting the manga and being needlessly confusing.
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How is the narrative disjointed? And SAC has a "cohesive" story, I guess, but not a particularly good one, nor is it told well. In fact, everything that the Oshii detractors accuse Oshii of is actually present in SAC more than it is in Oshii's GITS.

For example, SAC's pretentious (yes, That Word again) obsession with the Catcher in the Rye shit is far more offensive and eyeroll-worthy than any Biblical quote or philosopher reference in Oshii's GITS, because Oshii is actually up front to the audience about it and uses it to further the ideas and themes present in his movies. In SAC, it's more like an "oh man referencing controversial literature this is pretty edgy and cool" thing.

In SAC, the story is only ever advanced by people mouthing off boring dialogue filled with senseless technobabble or political shit that nobody cares about in a briefing room or politician's office or some control center, because it never tells anything through the visuals since the show is so sterile and bland that it feels like they are animating a series about a live-action cyberpunk series that takes place entirely on plastic studio sets. It's awful. Whereas in Oshii's GITS, this isn't true. The talking head scenes aren't there to advance the story but merely to set the mood.

Jexhius said:
You probably think Moribitio is boring too!
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It is.
 
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Black★Rock Shooter 1-3

+ The BRS action sequences look amazing.

- What the hell is going on in this show?
- Feels like it's trying too hard to be the next Madoka.
 
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Typographenia said:
Trigun: Badlands Rumble

(feel free to skip this part)
I would be remiss if I didn't briefly mention my past with this series. I was never a big fan of anime (I mean, I liked DBZ and all), but I never took it seriously until I saw Trigun. Most people would attribute it to my age/nostalgia, but it took a fond place in my heart because of the setting, characters, music, and the specific themes it handled. It spoke to me in a way no other form of animation ever had, and I still watch the series annually to this day. It remains my favorite animated series, and is possibly my favorite series period. I quite enjoyed the manga, and it was my preferred version for about a year or two, until I came back around to appreciate the focus and execution of the anime more.
I was one of the people that longed for a movie, and when the announcement finally came that it was getting made, I nearly lost my mind. I put off buying it for so long because... well, I don't know. Maybe it was the fear that it would never measure up to the idea I had constructed in my mind for so many years? Either way, I finally decided to purchase it yesterday, and sat down to watch it in all of its bluray goodness tonight.
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I still have a lot love for this series and feel it holds up well, but nostalgia does these things to us. It was also one of the first complete series that I watched, so I see where you are coming from.

The story itself wasn't anything terribly fantastic. It worked kind of in the same way the Bebop movie did: it's essentially a self-contained episode that takes place... sometime during the course of the series. It falls more inline with the "filler" of the series, as it doesn't ever once make mention of Knives, the Gung-ho Guns, or really anything tied to the central progression of the series, outside of the Bernardelli insurance company.
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I think that this is the best description of the movie and the primary reason that it left me feeling disappointed.

I was watching some of the extra features, and Nightow mentioned how he wanted to keep in mind that many of the public wouldn't be acquainted with the work at all, so he wanted to keep it approachable for any first-time viewers. It's understandable, but it was disappointing that they basically just reused a lot of what they did in the series in the film. I guess they thought it would count as a nod to the audience, but I would have loved to have gotten some new material instead. The one thing that, personally, was annoying was they pulled an
"oh no, Vash is dead!" stretch. That's pretty pointless, as this is just supposed to take place during the series at some point, so, yeah. He's not going to die in the middle of the timeline.
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See, this is what my biggest problem is. The show had been gone for so long that the vast majority of the people who are going to be interested in watching this are fans. With this in mind, why would you keep the emphasis on pleasing a newer crowd? Why not make a prequel instead if you are interested in showing something that wouldn't spoil anything from the show? (not exactly what I would want) I guess it's one of those situations where you want to keep everyone happy but you end up making a worse product because of that.
Probably the saddest disappointment, however, was the music. I was crossing my fingers, as the credits rolled, that it wasn't Tsuneo Imahori, yet it was. The music of the television series is one of my favorite soundtracks to any media form, and I listen to it regularly while working. The film really only featured music around six times or so, and rather briefly. However, every single time it came on I felt my heart drop. It was either a rather cluttered sounding remix/rerecording of a previous song in the series, or just some piece of work that didn't feel like it matched the subject material at all. In fact, the places where the music was used felt like it detracted from the scene because it just wasn't up to snuff.
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My heart aches just thinking about the lack of music
 
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pizzaroll said:
It is.
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By which you mean, in your experience, you found it to be boring. It's not like you're alone in having that opinion, but I find that there's generally something significant happening in every episode of the show, so I never got bored.
 
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EmmanuelMunoz said:
I think that this is the best description of the movie and the primary reason that it left me feeling disappointed.
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I think that's why I liked the movie as much as I did myself. It was great how the regular cast were present yet almost secondary to the movie itself as it became more and more about Amelia & Gasback.
 
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EmmanuelMunoz said:
See, this is what my biggest problem is. The show had been gone for so long that the vast majority of the people who are going to be interested in watching this are fans. With this in mind, why would you keep the emphasis on pleasing a newer crowd? Why not make a prequel instead if you are interested in showing something that wouldn't spoil anything from the show? (not exactly what I would want) I guess it's one of those situations where you want to keep everyone happy but you end up making a worse product because of that.
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Yeah, I was kind of hoping they'd go for more of a "we're pulling out all the stops and just making a great movie the fans will love!" because, even if regular people didn't entirely understand what was going on, I think the passion in the work would have come through enough that it would make them want to check out the rest of the series. This, while not bad, just doesn't really have anything in it that I believe would make an average viewer want to investigate the franchise outside of the film.

EmmanuelMunoz said:
My heart aches just thinking about the lack of music
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I felt bad that I hadn't even noticed the music was missing until about halfway into the movie. It's rather astonishing just how absent it all is. The music was practically a character itself in the show, and it's difficult to really comprehend why they cut it so much for the big screen. Although, if it were going to be more of what they did give us, I'm kind of thankful we didn't get more music...


Narag said:
I think that's why I liked the movie as much as I did myself. It was great how the regular cast were present yet almost secondary to the movie itself as it became more and more about Amelia & Gasback.
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It certainly works on that level, but then why make it a Trigun movie? They could have removed the Trigun pillars from it and just made a movie about Amelia and Gasback, and not really have had to move too much around to make it work.
 
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Typographenia said:
It certainly works on that level, but then why make it a Trigun movie? They could have removed the Trigun pillars from it and just made a movie about Amelia and Gasback, and not really have had to move too much around to make it work.
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I get the impression that the composer wasn't that closely involved with the project. I mean, practically anyone could have knocked up those soulless remixes.
 
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Jexhius said:
I get the impression that the composer wasn't that closely involved with the project. I mean, practically anyone could have knocked up those soulless remixes.
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That's what I would like to think. I'm hoping Tsuneo Imahori was credited purely as the original songwriter, but I'm far too apathetic to look up who is actually responsible for what made it into the movie.
 
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Typographenia said:
That's what I would like to think. I'm hoping Tsuneo Imahori was credited purely as the original songwriter, but I'm far too apathetic to look up who is actually responsible for what made it into the movie.
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Well they didn't bring him back for the new Hajimo No Ippo series, although they did briefly uses remixes of his stuff at one point. Perhaps he doesn't have the best relationship with the studio at this point.
 
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Inu x Boku 03

The situation that set up the dramatic tension felt a bit forced, but otherwise it was a nice solid episode that furthered the bond between Ririchiyo and Soushi. But I must add that I do actually sympathize with Ririchiyo's character which is unusual for me. I like tsunderes but I often don't actually sympathize with them, but with Ririchiyo she's basically had a loveless upbringing
(seriously, her parents are the worst. They like, don't show her any love whatsoever and shower her sister with tons of it)
which is why she's developed her outwardly dismayed personality.
 
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Cure Sunny >>>>> Cure Happy.

I like the little self-aware moments that pop up every now and then. The monsters aren't as good as the ones from HeartCatch either. :( So much pure friendship as well~
 
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Inu x Boku 04:

This show is cajuntastic!!

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Hnnnng!

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Hnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng!!!

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HNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGG!!!

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HNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGG!!!

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HNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!! *grabs heart*

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HNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!! (Also DAMN YUI, you got STACKED!)

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*dies*
 
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