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Emanon's Wanderings

Well this seems different then the prequel in that the focus has shifted from Emanon's sci fi back story to Emanon wandering around naked while smoking. It's also in full colour now!
 
You know what makes Bleach so fucking awesome? Some seriously fucking badass quotes/lines.

Byakuya: Disappear. My sword does not exist to crush insects like you.

Aizen said:
]No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it

Aizen said:
All living creatures place their faith in someone more powerful than them and they cannot survive unless they blindly follow that person. The recipient of that faith then seeks out someone in an even higher position in order to escape from the pressure. That person then seeks out someone even more powerful that he must put his faith in. In this way all kings are born and in this way all Gods are born. Do not believe in me yet, Hirako Shinji for now I shall slowly teach you who the God is that you will put your faith in. Believing in me comes after that

Hachi: In Soul Society, there are no Gods other than the Shinigami — the Gods of Death. So perhaps we cannot fully understand the weight of your words... Forgive us for our unbelief, "God" of Hueco Mundo.
And soo much more.
 
gunbo all I want to know is why you don't like One Piece, is all. I'm genuinely serious here cause anyone with the right frame of mindset realizes how different of a league it is from Naruto and Bleach. No, I'm not trolling here, I just do not understand how it's even remotely comparable here. It isn't "all the same shit" material in the very least, and makes me highly doubt you've even touched any of these series. This is why I can't take your opinion on them seriously whatsoever.

One Piece uses sentimentality as a crutch, and it beats you the hell over the head with it constantly. That can be annoying to some people.

Then it goes full Bobobo and offers pages and pages of reaction shots when Luffy farts etc.
 
Damn breh. Your reactions/reasons for stopping are EXACTLY the same as mine. I got through the first arc, but just found the characters so...unmotivating. I love MC's in a manga, and Natsu wasn't cutting it. Fan Service is also more annoying than it is good. And while I found that the lore had plenty of potential, the more personal things bored me.

Evolved beings.

Late but whatever.

Damn I thought I was the only who felt this way. When it comes to manga there is a 99.99% chance I will like the MC the most in that series. Like, altogether my favorite characters from Naruto, Bleach, One Piece, Fairy Tail, FMA, SnK are Naruto, Ichigo, Luffy, Natsu, Edward Elric, and Eren respectively. It sounds generic, but if you really think about it, I don't think there are many people who like all of those main characters at once.

(I do this other sources of media like video games, movies, etc)

PS: I don't read HxH, but fuck gon I doubt i'll ever like him the most lol.
 
There not minimal maybe to you but pacing among other things matter to people.

In the end it boils down to atmosphere and action vs pacing. One Piece isn't a deep show, it's colorful, perky and action heavy. For those reasons OP is one of those rare cases were I actually do prefer the anime to the manga. The action scenes are better and it feels more alive. The pacing is annoying sometimes... but the pros outweigh the cons, imo.

You know what makes Bleach so fucking awesome? Some seriously fucking badass quotes/lines.

And soo much more.

Of course the guy with the generic nickname and military avatar would enjoy cheesy quotes.
 
One Piece

People weren't meant to be happy with what happened to Ace and Whitebeard, that was the whole point. FI however, is a different story altogether :p

Actually i was, but only because i thought it will develop Luffy´s characters and make him stop acting like he always does. My theory is that people are too attach to his character, and Oda is afraid to piss them off by actually making Luffy grow up.

Wait, so there are people who actually like Bleach?

Damn... I mean, don't get me wrong, I actually managed to watch almost 200 eps 'til I realized just how repetitive and predictable it was. It's just a terrible terrible manga.

There is nothing wrong with you considering Bleach terrible but the bolded part is very ignorant junior.
 
Late but whatever.

Damn I thought I was the only who felt this way. When it comes to manga there is a 99.99% chance I will like the MC the most in that series. Like, altogether my favorite characters from Naruto, Bleach, One Piece, Fairy Tail, FMA, SnK are Naruto, Ichigo, Luffy, Natsu, Edward Elric, and Eren respectively. It sounds generic, but if you really think about it, I don't think there are many people who like all of those main characters at once.

(I do this other sources of media like video games, movies, etc)

PS: I don't read HxH, but fuck gon I doubt i'll ever like him the most lol.

Baffling if people like gon over killua, or natsu over gray. Naruto, might as well include Sasuke as a main character.
 
Naruto has a more focused and well developed cast that strengthen the story. Not to mention one has cooler action scenes and set pieces that make all fights feel intense.
Haha no way... Naruto ruined most of it's characters when part 2 began. When was the last time any of the rookies (Asides from Shikamaru) actually did anything? The fact that Part 1 done well in fleshing them out makes what happened to them even worse.

I would say the same applies for quite a lot of the fights in part 2 as well. Went from strategic fighting to eye jutsu hax and Rasengan spamming.

Actually i was, but only because i thought it will develop Luffy´s characters and make him stop acting like he always does. My theory is that people are too attach to his character, and Oda is afraid to piss them off by actually making Luffy grow up.
That's what you get for having unrealistic expectations. Luffy grow up? He wouldn't be Luffy anymore. :p
 
PS: I don't read HxH, but fuck gon I doubt i'll ever like him the most lol.
Yeah. And gon isn't a great MC. But Togashi makes up for it by having the real MC (Killua) be AWESOME.

Of course the guy with the generic nickname and military avatar would enjoy cheesy quotes.
Lame. Don't hate on Tactical Fox, breh.

You'll do well here, Junior.
Haha no way... Naruto ruined most of it's characters when part 2 began. When was the last time any of the rookies (Asides from Shikamaru) actually did anything? The fact that Part 1 done well in fleshing them out makes what happened to them even worse.
Yeah, and this might be one of the biggest reasons I really am disappointed in Part 2 as a whole compared to Part 1.
 
mmm blasted through Open Sesame.

Fun light hearted manga, was somehow pleasantly surprised that the ecchi level was pretty low ;P.

Chickens are awesome as well. Had a pet chicken in my childhood =S
 
One Piece
Actually i was, but only because i thought it will develop Luffy´s characters and make him stop acting like he always does. My theory is that people are too attach to his character, and Oda is afraid to piss them off by actually making Luffy grow up.

What do you call growing up ?
Cause luffy will never change i do what i want , where ever i am that is a huge part of him .
 
Haha no way... Naruto ruined most of it's characters when part 2 began. When was the last time any of the rookies (Asides from Shikamaru) actually did anything? The fact that Part 1 done well in fleshing them out makes what happened to them even worse.

One of my main beefs with what Naruto has become (plus Naruto losing his "hardwork" mantra and Neji apparently being right about his pre Naruto defeat beliefs).


Holy shit it's ridiculously close to the manga.

Supposedly the anime is ending next month,
 
Haha no way... Naruto ruined most of it's characters when part 2 began. When was the last time any of the rookies (Asides from Shikamaru) actually did anything? The fact that Part 1 done well in fleshing them out makes what happened to them even worse.

The manga is called Naruto. Nobody gives a shit about these rookies outside of wishful manga readers who are mad that their favourite filler character isn't getting a flashback.
 
There is nothing wrong with you considering Bleach terrible but the bolded part is very ignorant junior.

I know, I was just being obnoxious. But the thing is, there really are no redeeming qualities in Bleach, imo. The plot is incredibly thin and moronic, I know it's just supposed to be something to keep the show going, but how 'bout some effort? But mostly, it's the repetitive and extremely formulaic nature of it that I can't tolerate. I just cannot and will not recognize or respect Bleach.
 
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That's some real ass moe.
 
There is nothing unrealistic with that. It´s unrealistic not to develop him after what happened to Ace especially when Ace got killed because he was protecting Luffy.
I get what you mean, but I don't really see what could really change without changing his fundamental character.

Infinite Justice said:
One of my main beefs with what Naruto has become (plus Naruto losing his "hardwork" mantra and Neji apparently being right about his pre Naruto defeat beliefs).
Indeed, which also makes Rock Lee's entire character arc redundant since apparently genes and eye jutsus >>>>> Hard work.

survivor said:
The manga is called Naruto. Nobody gives a shit about these rookies outside of wishful manga readers who are mad that their favourite filler character isn't getting a flashback.
No one cares anymore, yea. But there's no way that would be true if they actually had a role rather than just standing there. Seeing how everyone would progress was one of the reasons I was looking forward to Part 2 so much. Instead we get lots of Sasuke, and useless shit like Hawk or Snake or whatever the fuck they were called. :p
 
The manga is called Naruto. Nobody gives a shit about these rookies outside of wishful manga readers who are mad that their favourite filler character isn't getting a flashback.

If people really want them then the anime has given like 140+ episodes to these characters, enjoy things like Tenten flashback of her getting inspired, and Shino training with Hinata and actually losing against her, oh and Hinata learning attacks, and Kiba/Naruto flashbacks of races and more.

The same can be said for One Piece, when did we ever revisit anything with Zoro or Sanjia fter they joined back in the pre 100 chapters? At least in Naruto's case, Hinata had a moment of glory, Shikamaru team had two major fights and development.
 
The manga is called Naruto. Nobody gives a shit about these rookies outside of wishful manga readers who are mad that their favourite filler character isn't getting a flashback.
Well then why did why was 50% of Part 2 devoted to the Sauce? Why didn't Naruto get one major fight until the Pain battle? Why did Kishimoto "waste" time developing those characters in part 1?

I can't tell if you're being serious. ;_;
 
The manga is called Naruto. Nobody gives a shit about these rookies outside of wishful manga readers who are mad that their favourite filler character isn't getting a flashback.


Well blame Kishi for setting the fucking precedent then, if it wasn't so prevalent in part 1 then no one would give a shit.


The problem that it was and people got attached to some characters, so seeing them basically being tossed aside after all that shit could be seen as annoying to them.



I get what you mean, but I don't really see what could really change without changing his fundamental character.

Indeed, which also makes Rock Lee's entire character arc redundant since apparently genes and eye jutsus >>>>> Hard work.


Indeed, poor rock lee :(
 
Well blame Kishi for setting the fucking precedent then, if it wasn't so prevalent in part 1 then one one would give a shit.


The problem that it was and people got attached to some characters, so seeing them basically being tossed aside after all that shit would be annoying.

It's more about why they're tossed aside. All the time that could've been spent fleshing them out further was utterly wasted on zombie character development.
 
I get what you mean, but I don't really see what could really change without changing his fundamental character.

Still it was ace fault that they end up with him having to save luffy in the first place .
Also he did grow up for short while cause he listing to ray when he said they had to train for 2 years and we know luffy never listing to nobody no matter who it is .
 
Sometimes it's like we forget these (the shonens) are works aimed at teenagers, the way we overanalyze every detail 'til exhaustion. This isn't Berlin Alexanderplatz, ahah. Most mistakes come about simply because the authors weren't planning on making something this epic and huge 'til the fame came around.
:heh:
 
Well then why did why was 50% of Part 2 devoted to the Sauce? Why didn't Naruto get one major fight until the Pain battle? Why did Kishimoto "waste" time developing those characters in part 1?

I can't tell if you're being serious. ;_;

this is it. exactly.
 
If people really want them then the anime has given like 140+ episodes to these characters, enjoy things like Tenten flashback of her getting inspired, and Shino training with Hinata and actually losing against her, oh and Hinata learning attacks, and Kiba/Naruto flashbacks of races and more.
But that was shitty filler. Completely different thing.

Dedication Through Light said:
The same can be said for One Piece, when did we ever revisit anything with Zoro or Sanjia fter they joined back in the pre 100 chapters? At least in Naruto's case, Hinata had a moment of glory, Shikamaru team had two major fights and development.
We see Zoro, Sanji and the rest of the SW every week. We see the rookies, what, one or twice a year? Hinata's 'moment of glory' was getting shanked by Pain, and her confession ignored. Team 8 had their chance against Hidan/Kakuzu, but only Shikamaru came out of that looking good.


Infinite Justice said:
Indeed, poor rock lee :(
I don't get how the character with 2 of the best fights in part 1 hasn't done shit in part 2. I think Ino's done more than he has. INO!! :(
 
Well then why did why was 50% of Part 2 devoted to the Sauce?
Because Kishimoto, unlike Oda, likes to develop his villains and gives them a meaning and purpose. And Sasuke is half of the manga, he is the reason Naruto does everything. They are the ying and yang bullshit.
Why didn't Naruto get one major fight until the Pain battle?
So what? Naruto was still doing shit before that

Why did Kishimoto "waste" time developing those characters in part 1?
Cause he likes to fuck with people's expectations. And it's called part 2 for a reason. A change of style in the story
 
Well my favorite manga can totally beat up your favorite manga.

It's more about why they're tossed aside. All the time that could've been spent fleshing them out further was utterly wasted on zombie character development.

It really seemed like a great opportunity to let the new generation strut their stuff vs zombie modo. Too bad it didn't quite go that way.

But Part 3 had to make up for how shitty Part 2 was. Or something.
 
One of my main beefs with what Naruto has become (plus Naruto losing his "hardwork" mantra and Neji apparently being right about his pre Naruto defeat beliefs).

This whole younger generation surpassing the old is a load of rubbish when the current adults being weaker then the guys before them like 1st hokage,hanzo,4th hokage and madara, it only applies to naruto and sasuke surpassing god by way of god given HAX.
 
Because Kishimoto, unlike Oda, likes to develop his villains and gives them a meaning and purpose. And Sasuke is half of the manga, he is the reason Naruto does everything. They are the ying and yang bullshit.

So what? Naruto was still doing shit before that


Cause he likes to fuck with people's expectations. And it's called part 2 for a reason. A change of style in the story

Naruto villains had meaning and purpose? Outside of Itachi, Orochimaru, Pein, and Tobi that's....lol.
 
But that was shitty filler. Completely different thing.

We see Zoro, Sanji and the rest of the SW every week. We see the rookies, what, one or twice a year? Hinata's 'moment of glory' was getting shanked by Pain, and her confession ignored. Team 8 had their chance against Pain/Kakuzu, but only Shikamaru came out of that looking good.

We just saw Hinata two chapters ago vowing to when she sees Naruto, to tell him her feelings, we saw the others then, and they had a fight in the war, and they had involvement in the summit, and they had involvement in Pain.

We do not see all of the Straw Hats each week, during the war, they litrally vanished from the scene for like over a year almost two, and worst, the straw hats barely stay together all at once, for example, Luffy was separated for so long from them on Fishman Island and now in this arc, the crew is split in half.

A crew is supposed to stay together, not split up.
 
Well blame Kishi for setting the fucking precedent then, if it wasn't so prevalent in part 1 then no one would give a shit.
This is also why I have much more problems with the treatment of "Nakama" in Naruto vs the treatment of them in Bleach. It's all about the precedent the author sets early on.

From the beginning of Bleach, it was never set up by Kubo so that we thought that Ichigo's friends were these great heroes alongside Ichigo that would fight all the time with him. Them being fodder is fine because that's how they were from the start. Sure, he could have given them a bit more screentime as of late (which he seems to be doing in this arc!) but we all knew that when it came to shit getting done, Ichigo rolled solo. That's been consistent. They were his friends that he found strength in through protecting. Not by them directly lending him their strength.

That is why we saw Ichigo hit his lowest when he no longer had those friends to protect when Tsukishima trolled him. It wasn't because they couldn't provide him their strength anymore, but because they no longer relied on him for his strength. So when Chad and Inoue were knocked out in the last arc, I said "Well, that kind of sucks" but it's nothing that left my jaw on the floor in disgust.

Naruto, on the other hand, is a completely different ordeal. In Part 1 of Naruto, not only did Kishimoto flesh out each character, he also lead us readers to believe that team dynamics were important to him. Not just the dynamics of one team (like the straw hat crew in OP, which Oda does a fantastic job with for the most part)...but the dynamics of multiple teams interacting with each other. Not only did Kishimoto display the importance of team dynamics through his writing, he damn well succeeded with it too. All in a way that still let the main character shine. This all lead up to the fantastic rescue Sasuke arc where team dynamics were probably at their highest point.

That sets a precedent. For Kishimoto to now make those characters worthless is probably one of the biggest reasons why Part 2 is now a piece of shit.
 
It's more about why they're tossed aside. All the time that could've been spent fleshing them out further was utterly wasted on zombie character development.

This also, plus the point where he introduces a whole bunch of new characters we are supposed to give a shit about in the war, why?

This whole younger generation surpassing the old is a load of rubbish when the current adults being weaker then the guys before them like 1st hokage,hanzo,4th hokage and madara, it only applies to naruto and sasuke surpassing god by way of god given HAX.


I can understand the reasoning but how its portrayed makes me not convinced at all since the older generation were pretty fucking OP.
 
Naruto

Even though i like to see more of Konoha 11 in the manga, i have to say that survivor is right. The Konoha 11 are irrelevant to the overall plot. Besides some characters have gotten development in part 2. Shikamaru and team 10, Hinata, Sai. But the whole purpose of the manga is about Naruto and what´s most important to him. Sasuke plays a huge role in that, therefor concentrating on Sasuke, and not giving more time to Konoha 11, make sense.
 
This whole younger generation surpassing the old is a load of rubbish when the current adults being weaker then the guys before them like 1st hokage,hanzo,4th hokage and madara, it only applies to naruto and sasuke surpassing god by way of god given HAX.

I think he try to show that in the war with Gaara also with Shikamaru but yeah it's Naruto and Sasuke that going to be god level.

We do not see all of the Straw Hats each week, during the war, they litrally vanished from the scene for like over a year almost two, and worst, the straw hats barely stay together all at once, for example, Luffy was separated for so long from them on Fishman Island and now in this arc, the crew is split in half.

A crew is supposed to stay together, not split up.

The SH have never stick since near first few arcs of OP.
 
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